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Here you can see the effect that fear-mongering has on citizens. Some of the most bitter liars and fear-mongers live in Vittangi. And they have done their destructive work.
He worries about orchids in the forest. Completely ignores the fact that Talga has to create compensation areas, has to ensure that species worthy of protection are relocated.
These so-called environmentalists and fear-mongers have made it so far that some people actually believe that there is no super strict environmental legislation in Sweden that Talga has to comply with. This is also a criticism I read somewhere recently. With their lies, fear-mongering and misinformation, they are achieving exactly the opposite. Confidence in strong environmental legislation. The biggest opponents of the Green Transition are within the movement itself.
End of the rant.


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"Vittangi resident R. L. outside the village grocery store. He is concerned about the orchids in the forest and the water quality in the river.
THE GRAPHITE MINE

Villagers about the future mine: "I don't dare drink the river water anymore"​

Published yesterday at 8:53 PM
  • Vittangi resident R. L., who we speak to outside the grocery store, is concerned about the mining plans in the village, mainly regarding the impact on the water in the river and the orchids in the forest.
  • On Thursday, the announcement came that Kiruna Municipality is forced to adopt the detailed plan that enables a graphite mine, and the government is thus overruling the municipality on the issue.
  • The villagers are not surprised but are worried about the future if the mine becomes a reality."


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Presumably the liars in Vittangi told their neighbors about uranium and lead in the water in the future.
The environmental protection organization had demanded exact values. And then got them. But they were not elevated or alarming. I'm not making this up.
Obviously they kept this information to themselves and spread the word that there would be increased levels of lead and uranium in the water when the mine opened. And the idiot up there believes them. Operation successful. Misinformation and fear successfully spread.
 
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Maybe you've noticed that my tone has become a little harsher during your time out.) But I'm not always as bad as I am today.
 
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Last example for today:

Kiruna is right. Of course there is no profit if the company that will exploit the deposits sends the profits to Australia.
And if, according to the video in the article, there are only estimated deposits with a life of 25 years. Therefore, if the mine opens in 2030, it will close in 2055.
So you have to let an Australian company build a mine, send the raw material abroad for processing and leave everything behind after 25 years. Without the community receiving adequate compensation, they may have to pay for the clean-up.
Nor will the land be restored within several generations.



This is what happens when they spread their propaganda and lies.

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The one:
Can the municipality buy shares in Talga?

The other:
They burned everything in the bathhouse, right?
 
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Last example for today:

Kiruna is right. Of course there is no profit if the company that will exploit the deposits sends the profits to Australia.
And if, according to the video in the article, there are only estimated deposits with a life of 25 years. Therefore, if the mine opens in 2030, it will close in 2055.
So you have to let an Australian company build a mine, send the raw material abroad for processing and leave everything behind after 25 years. Without the community receiving adequate compensation, they may have to pay for the clean-up.
Nor will the land be restored within several generations.



This is what happens when they spread their propaganda and lies.

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The one:
Can the municipality buy shares in Talga?

The other:
They burned everything in the bathhouse, right?

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I have not read one lie or disinformation about thos Project from conservative, right wing or Talga itself in all these years. But masses of it from the other side, who I thought had the right spirit and wanted what was in my own interest.
 
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Last example for today:

Kiruna is right. Of course there is no profit if the company that will exploit the deposits sends the profits to Australia.
And if, according to the video in the article, there are only estimated deposits with a life of 25 years. Therefore, if the mine opens in 2030, it will close in 2055.
So you have to let an Australian company build a mine, send the raw material abroad for processing and leave everything behind after 25 years. Without the community receiving adequate compensation, they may have to pay for the clean-up.
Nor will the land be restored within several generations.



This is what happens when they spread their propaganda and lies.

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The one:
Can the municipality buy shares in Talga?

The other:
They burned everything in the bathhouse, right?
"We don't want the mine because, uuuhh... , capitalism?"
 
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"We don't want the mine because, uuuhh... , capitalism?"
We don't want climate protection because it could save or even generate money. These people are so broken.

Capitalism is value-free (?) just like criticism, it can be positive or negative or something in between. It just doesn't fit their image.

Imagine taking the capital. But not that, please!

At the beginning of our journey, I thought I would share the same interests with them. Until I learnt that's not what they're about. Bubble
 
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I wish you a great Australia Day!
If anyone else drops here by, maybe you could give me a brief explanation of what you're doing today or how you are celebrating.
Best regards!
 
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I wish you a great Australia Day!
If anyone else drops here by, maybe you could give me a brief explanation of what you're doing today or how you are celebrating.
Best regards!
Danke Cosors

40 degrees here today, so spent part of the day at the beach with the family going for a swim and a game of beach cricket after bumping into two other families we are friends with! Perfect day for it.
 
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40 degrees here today, so spent part of the day at the beach with the family going for a swim and a game of beach cricket after bumping into two other families we are friends with! Perfect day for it.

Wait.. you are playing cricket at 40 deg outside? How are you not cooked medium rare?
 
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Isn't it just standing around banging on a ball?
 
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"VOLKSWAGEN: OPENS TO SELL EXCESSIVE FACTORIES TO CHINA - FT
STOCKHOLM (News Agency Direkt) Volkswagen is opening up to sell the factories that the German automotive group has now been forced to put into abeyance due to the severe crisis that followed a decline in demand and increased competition from China, reports the Financial Times.
Executives at Volkswagen, which owns brands such as Audi, Seat, Skoda and Porsche, have told the Financial Times in interviews that they have no problem finding Chinese buyers for the factories where the company's redundant production lines are located in Europe.
The Chinese manufacturers highlighted as potential buyers are electric car producers - the very companies that have become increasing competition for European car manufacturers - who are seeking production facilities in Europe to circumvent EU tariffs.
The tariffs, which came into effect despite Germany voting against and Sweden abstaining, are seen as a levelling agent for competition as China's electric car companies receive heavy state subsidies from Beijing as they expand in Europe. The EU believes that the subsidies should be seen as illegal as they distort competition and disadvantage European-made cars, either by allowing Chinese cars to be equipped with better technology and sold for the same price as European cars or by dumping prices for cars with comparable technology.
However, German companies, which have invested heavily in or are owned by China, have expressed a completely different view on the matter. Alongside Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW have also opposed the tariffs and instead spoke out in favor of free trade and welcomed competition from the East.
"It is absolutely conceivable (with Chinese owners of the factories that Volkswagen leaves, ed. note). Such a move would lower the entry barrier for these competitors and I believe in free trade," said Gernot Döllner, CEO of Audi.
China remains a crucial market for many non-Chinese automakers, and several companies other than Audi manufacture vehicles in China that are then imported back to Europe.
"Tariffs will only block competition for a limited time and give a false sense of security. We must keep up with developments," the CEO added.
Audi has already collaborated with Chinese MG manufacturer SAIC to produce electric cars in China tailored for the Chinese market – a type of collaboration that Gernot Döllner believes Chinese brands may also want to recreate in Europe.
In a separate interview, David Powels, chief financial officer of the Volkswagen car brand, said he also did not rule out the idea of letting Chinese automakers take over the vacant production lines.
"We are open to all kinds of discussions with any party. In a dynamic world, you have to keep all options open," he said.
After decades of China being Volkswagen's most profitable market, its market share has almost halved in the past five years. At the same time, the European market as a whole has weakened sharply, resulting in Volkswagen considering closing German factories for the first time in its history.
In December, an agreement was finally reached with the powerful IG Metall union on how to reduce production capacity across Germany to avoid the drastic measures that were on the table to close at least three factories in the country. The cuts mean that the Volkswagen brand, which accounts for about half of the group's sales volume, plans to reduce capacity by about 730,000 cars from around 1.5 million by 2030.
The overcapacity problem began to pile up during the pandemic, when Volkswagen began canceling night shifts as demand began to wane. The brand produced around 900,000 cars in Germany in 2024.
Volkswagen's factories must now meet new productivity targets to compete for remaining capacity. Those that don't meet the requirements could be considered for "alternative use," which could include sale.
Other European car manufacturers, who have expressed negative views about the Chinese competitor, have also acted in collaboration with their Chinese competitors to avoid politically sensitive closures. For example, the French-Italian-American Stellantis, which owns Fiat, Peugeot and Jeep, has taken a 20 percent stake in Chinese Leapmotor. The stake comes with exclusive rights for Stellantis to build and sell Leapmotor's cars outside of China via a joint venture. If Leapmotor's sales grow in Europe, Stellantis can use more of its excess capacity and thus avoid closing factories and laying off workers."
 
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Under the category of useless knowledge or for games, you'll never guess:

We have the longest wait in the world – that's why the funeral is delayed​

Published today at 07.27
  • Sweden continues to be the country with the longest time between death and burial in the world, according to figures from Sweden's Authorized Funeral Directors.
  • In Jönköping County, the average wait is almost 26 days. Louise Tvarnö, a funeral director in Vetlanda, explains what could be behind the long wait.
  • And what consequences it could have.



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Swedes take the longest to bury in the world​

In many countries and cultures, it is tradition for the dead to be buried within a day or at least as soon as possible. This is not the case in Sweden, where the average wait is almost three weeks before burial. An unattainable world record that takes up resources and costs society a lot of money.
Absolutely on a Friday and preferably not before lunch! That is the most appropriate time for a funeral if Swedes have a choice. And many relatives seem prepared to wait a long time for a suitable funeral time. So long that Sweden has become the country in the world where the longest time elapses between death and burial.
Daily routines must not be broken.
-There is a clear trend in society, deaths and funerals are no longer a particularly high priority. It seems as if everyday life is not allowed to change – even in the event of a death, things should continue as usual, says Ulf Lernéus, director of SBF, the Swedish Funeral Directors Association.
Long-term trend
The latest statistics from SBF show that in November 2009, it took an average of 20.2 days between death and funeral day, an increase of 1.3 days compared to the previous year. And the trend has been going on for a long time: in 1999, it took an average of 14 days – an increase of almost a week in ten years!
"The first thing that usually comes to mind when relatives visit the funeral home is the calendars. The first question is often "how long can we wait?"," says Ulf Lernéus, who questions the ethical defensibleness of embalming and refrigeration of their relatives for up to a month.
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Floorball tournaments, vacations, conferences, courses and business meetings are examples of activities that are given higher priority when deciding on a funeral date.
There are large regional differences. In general, the delay is shorter in rural areas than in big cities, even though there are often significantly more guests at a rural funeral.
Overcrowded morgues
The quickest way to bury your dead is in Jönköping County. There it takes an average of 16.5 days. The longest is in Stockholm, where it takes an average of 28.2 days between death and burial. This is noticeable in the form of overcrowded morgues where the deceased are kept in rather undignified conditions.
Often, the bodies also have to be embalmed with chemicals to stop biological decomposition, a process that is both costly and directly harmful to the environment.
New legislation
Under current Swedish law, the maximum time allowed between death and burial is two months. A government inquiry has proposed that this period be halved to one month from 2011. A government proposal is expected this autumn.
"Such a change in the law is not enough. It is a change in attitude in society that is needed," says Ulf Lernéus at SBF, who, however, does not have a simple proposal for how such a change should be achieved.
Neighboring countries faster
He compares it to neighboring countries Denmark and Norway, where almost all the dead are buried within the eight days prescribed by law. Exemptions are allowed if many relatives are coming from a long distance, but these are unusual.
In Finland, there is no time limit at all – yet it rarely takes more than two weeks before the deceased is buried. And in countries like Belgium, Holland and France, it is seen as strange or downright offensive to wait more than 5-6 days for a funeral.
Saturday funeral not a success
One reason for the long delays is that Fridays are by far the most popular day of the week for funerals. That's when both priests and parish houses are busy. As a trial, the church and the funeral industry have therefore reintroduced Saturdays as a possible day for funerals. With poor results.
-It seems like people want to be off on Saturdays, not bury their relatives, says Ulf Lernéus.
 
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"That's why we say no to a mine in Vittangi – originally published March 28, 2024​

article | Jan 23, 2025
The Social Democrats, the Left Party, Sámelistu and the Feminist Initiative jointly point out that Talga's establishment of a graphite mine in Nunasvaara, Vittangi is undesirable.
We do not believe that Kiruna Municipality should allow the destruction of a fantastic natural area and important reindeer grazing land for a mine with a short lifespan. For an already hard-pressed municipality, an establishment would entail further disadvantages and difficulties.
We do not see the alleged local prosperity that the mine is expected to bring. As a municipality, we will be left with the same or even more difficult challenges in terms of economy, welfare, labor and housing shortage. Sixty new jobs that are promised are not an advantage when we have over 500 vacant jobs in the municipality and already have difficulty staffing our own welfare. Rather, we see the risk that this establishment will increase the proportion of fly-in-fly-out workers.
Instead, we immediately demand a changed regional policy that creates the conditions for development throughout Sweden. The state system for economic distribution policy needs to be reformed so that profits from natural resources largely stay in the area.
In the long-term perspective, we must ask ourselves at all levels how we can build societies that consume fewer resources – not more. Right now, the public conversation is stuck on the idea that the climate crisis will be solved if we just replace fossil-fueled vehicles with electric ones and call it a green transition. This is happening at the expense of a truly sustainable future for people, animals and nature.
What is happening in northern Sweden is a continuation of an outdated, colonial approach from the Swedish state. These structures must be broken and indigenous rights and the rights of national minorities must be respected. If our current government and parliament are forced to destroy our local environment and give away our natural resources to foreign mining companies, they can do so without the support of us in Kiruna's municipal leadership.
We see a broad and growing popular commitment to this issue and the Social Democrats, the Left Party, Sámelistu and the Feminist Initiative in Kiruna will continue to work for:
  • To complete ongoing work on the detailed plan for Talga's applied establishment in Nunasvaara.
  • Not to approve further applications from Talga for mining in Nunasvaara/Vittangi.
Group Leader Social Democrats
Group Leader Left Party
Group Leader Sámelistu
Group Leader Feminist Initiative
Originally posted on Facebook, March 28, 2024:
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"While Talga is pleased with the government's announcement, Kiruna's municipal councillor Mats Taaveniku (S) is not satisfied.
- ‘It's hugely provocative. We are seen as a colony or, even worse, an oil platform."
 
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Ok, lets have a little game! Now we have all Permits in place (or under way to be in place) for offtake agreements. I think it was the case before the detailed plan but now I think its undeniably so. So lets have a little game.


* Question: What will be the volume of the first off-take agreement for Talga in terms of fraction of total production capacity? Closest to the real value can choose the music for the party!

I say 60%, i.e. about 12mtpa Talnode-C

* Question: what will be the offtake price per mt for the first offtake of Talnode-C? Closest to the real value gets to open the bottle of Champagne!

I say about 8000 USD/mt


Ohhh, ohh ohh, I have 2 more guessing games:

* Question: who is going to be our first customer? Correct answer wins the Champagne shower of the bottle opened above!

I personally have no clue. I say its going to be Panasonic!

* Question: When do you think the off take is going to be announced? Day of the ASX ANN counts here, not rumors in the news or actual day of the signature. Closest to the real date AFTER the date passes wins. Anyone guessing too early is out! Winner gets to be king of the clowns! :D


I say: February 20th!



What are your guesses?
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"Politicians in Kiruna want to hand over detailed graphite mine plan to county executive
Published today 05:30
Several politicians in Kiruna believe that they cannot support a detailed plan that they have been forced to decide on by order of the government. They would rather leave this work and responsibility to the county administration.

- We don't want the mine at all, says Mats Sidmalm (S).

After it was announced last week that the government is attacking Kiruna municipality over the detailed plan for Talga's graphite mine in Vittangi, there could be a political dispute between the parties. But also within the largest party in the municipal council, the Social Democrats.

I have already said no
- At the moment there is a political discussion in the party and the matter will be decided by the members, but for me it is clear that we should not make a detailed plan. "We have said no to the mine and we don't want it," says Mats Sidmalm (S).
The municipality now has a deadline of 16 May to decide who will draw up the detailed plan: Kiruna municipality or the government via the County Administrative Board.

- The matter will be decided by the municipal council, says Mats Sidmalm."
 
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There is not much Talga can do about these politicians. However they could clarify whether the detailed plan is required for an offtake or not. Also the dam has not broken yet. It seems we don't even know whether it has gotten cracks. The waiting continues. Time for a tea I guess...
 
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There is not much Talga can do about these politicians. However they could clarify whether the detailed plan is required for an offtake or not. Also the dam has not broken yet. It seems we don't even know whether it has gotten cracks. The waiting continues. Time for a tea I guess...
And we can rightly ask why the S party first attracted Talga during its time in government and is now fighting against them.
 
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I'll put this pearl down here so I can find it again.
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