AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

" others here have suggested a smaller percentage to CATL initially, until such time as other matters are resolved "

This is the only way AVZ / DATHCOM can be granted the ML at this current stage, which is why i mentioned in my previous post that a deal would have to be finalised with CATH, before the ML is awarded, one would of thought.

I probably didnt explain myself that well to be honest.....

Posters may think this suspension is all about the carve up of northern CDL, i beg to differ.

Its all about the percentage control of Dathcom PLUS the carve up of northern CDL.


imo

The smaller percentage to CATL is to maintain control

Think back to when Zijin, the AFR and their lemmings on Twitter were all gloating that no one would have control. Do you really think they would do all their bullshit to get 15% just to have the awarding of the ML to Dathcom fall apart?

AVZ management have stated numerous times that ownership isn't the problem with getting the licence. It's 100% about Mupande and AJN's attempt to rat fuck us out of CDL.

Remember CAMI looked at ownership before deciding to approve the application as part of the favourable opinion process. Also the Minister of Mines wouldn't have awarded us the ML for RD that management initially accepted if ownership was an issue imo

From the AGM:

What happened after ML Decree, spurious yet we’re in suspension. What’s the main issue for ML – is it Dathomir, is Zijin ICC arbitration 15, dispute with exploration rights?

A: Lot of players in vogue here in country, lot of hatchet jobs being done – President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors (e.g. we hadn’t done anything, didn’t have money experience, and were speculators). Detractors continuing, but slowly slowly we’re working to remove the blocks.

We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?

A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.

Collusion between all those 3 – namely Zijin, Jin Cheng, CAMI?

A: That would be astute thought

Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

What about AJN having a crack

A: “their premise is that we’ve returned the northern tenement to government. We haven’t. Draw a conclusion out of that”.

Interview NF mentioned once mentioned once decree issued 10 day period before Court could issue the licence. What happened?

A: This was a misunderstanding. As soon as your documentation was in order and issued, this talk of periods was regarding the ministerial decree. Other steps in way of ML – CAMI have held up the invoicing, illegally in our view.

 

[DoubleA]

We can’t lose control because the mining code says we can’t. If and when we get the ML we will have at least that 51% in our pocket.

You’ll recall also that CATL waived the ML as the precondition for the sale of 24%, so why has that sale not concluded (he asked rhetorically)? It’s because the rest of the shitfuckery threatened our percentage, and to cede 24% to CATL could have taken us below 51% (if other matters went against us).

Others here have suggested a smaller percentage to CATL initially, and until such time as other matters (cough, Zinjin) are resolved. That suggestion makes sense to me as a means of managing the ownership risk.

The licence is awarded to Dathcom, not AVZ.

 

[Samus]

Cursed year 2023 to all the thieves of public funds and state property, all the sellers of the assets and natural resources of the Republic, all the corrupters and corrupted who drink champagne and buy villas at the price of blood and Congolese poverty

 

[whales]

Revelations in revelations on THE COMINIERE AFFAIR!!
The Dircaba of the Portfolio and 2 Advisors were Directors of COMINIERE and took part in the Feast. The Sons of the DG and PCA of COMINIERE also participated in the 150 Million $ party as secretary.

Cominiere after the Zijin debacle has the 15% been returned to Vominiere and the other 5% that was in question with another department MMSC I think not sure.
If these have not and government require 10% handed as free carry.
Once ML granted government must receive the 10% from Cominiere .
That is If they have it ?
Would this be another reason in the hold up.
Corrupt indeed is Cominiere if sold out 20% and left only 5% available and not following the minining code.
As for Mupande making false requests in the name of the President .Again needs to be proven for the law to bring him to justice.

 

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[JAG]

 

[TDITD]

The smaller percentage to CATL is to maintain control

Think back to when Zijin, the AFR and their lemmings on Twitter were all gloating that no one would have control. Do you really think they would do all their bullshit to get 15% just to have the awarding of the ML to Dathcom fall apart?

AVZ management have stated numerous times that ownership isn't the problem with getting the licence. It's 100% about Mupande and AJN's attempt to rat fuck us out of CDL.

Remember CAMI looked at ownership before deciding to approve the application as part of the favourable opinion process. Also the Minister of Mines wouldn't have awarded us the ML for RD that management initially accepted if ownership was an issue imo

From the AGM:

What happened after ML Decree, spurious yet we’re in suspension. What’s the main issue for ML – is it Dathomir, is Zijin ICC arbitration 15, dispute with exploration rights?

A: Lot of players in vogue here in country, lot of hatchet jobs being done – President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors (e.g. we hadn’t done anything, didn’t have money experience, and were speculators). Detractors continuing, but slowly slowly we’re working to remove the blocks.

We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?

A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.

Collusion between all those 3 – namely Zijin, Jin Cheng, CAMI?

A: That would be astute thought

Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

What about AJN having a crack

A: “their premise is that we’ve returned the northern tenement to government. We haven’t. Draw a conclusion out of that”.

Interview NF mentioned once mentioned once decree issued 10 day period before Court could issue the licence. What happened?

A: This was a misunderstanding. As soon as your documentation was in order and issued, this talk of periods was regarding the ministerial decree. Other steps in way of ML – CAMI have held up the invoicing, illegally in our view.

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Excellent work Danger

 

[Carlos Danger]

Excellent work Danger

 

[Carlos Danger]

 

[Carlos Danger]

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If there are now audios of the illegal selling of Cominiere's assets to Zijin that weren't available before then the NSA has entered the chat imo

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

The licence is awarded to Dathcom, not AVZ.

Agree - I did’t think I had suggested otherwise.

 

[Dazmac66]

If there are now audios of the illegal selling of Cominiere's assets to Zijin that weren't available before then the NSA has entered the chat imo
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Biden whispers to Felix, "just leave it with me big fella, I'll get my boys and girls on it"!. Let's hope so.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

If there are now audios of the illegal selling of Cominiere's assets to Zijin that weren't available before then the NSA has entered the chat imo
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As I’ve posted here previously Manono is a massive and strategically important asset. There is zero chance that the governments of the US and China are simply watching from the sidelines.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Biden whispers to Felix, "just leave it with me big fella, I'll get my boys and girls on it"!. Let's hope so.

Everything the light touches is your kingdom snow white

 

[Carlos Danger]

As I’ve posted here previously Manono is a massive and strategically important asset. There is zero chance that the governments of the US and China are simply watching from the sidelines.

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[BEISHA]

The smaller percentage to CATL is to maintain control

Think back to when Zijin, the AFR and their lemmings on Twitter were all gloating that no one would have control. Do you really think they would do all their bullshit to get 15% just to have the awarding of the ML to Dathcom fall apart?

AVZ management have stated numerous times that ownership isn't the problem with getting the licence. It's 100% about Mupande and AJN's attempt to rat fuck us out of CDL.

Remember CAMI looked at ownership before deciding to approve the application as part of the favourable opinion process. Also the Minister of Mines wouldn't have awarded us the ML for RD that management initially accepted if ownership was an issue imo

From the AGM:

What happened after ML Decree, spurious yet we’re in suspension. What’s the main issue for ML – is it Dathomir, is Zijin ICC arbitration 15, dispute with exploration rights?

A: Lot of players in vogue here in country, lot of hatchet jobs being done – President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors (e.g. we hadn’t done anything, didn’t have money experience, and were speculators). Detractors continuing, but slowly slowly we’re working to remove the blocks.

We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?

A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.

Collusion between all those 3 – namely Zijin, Jin Cheng, CAMI?

A: That would be astute thought

Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

What about AJN having a crack

A: “their premise is that we’ve returned the northern tenement to government. We haven’t. Draw a conclusion out of that”.

Interview NF mentioned once mentioned once decree issued 10 day period before Court could issue the licence. What happened?

A: This was a misunderstanding. As soon as your documentation was in order and issued, this talk of periods was regarding the ministerial decree. Other steps in way of ML – CAMI have held up the invoicing, illegally in our view.

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An excellent recite of the AGM mate......and totally agree.

Look , all i was trying to convey was, surely AVZ / DATHCOM have to come to a agreement with CATH regards to interim reduction of their 24% before the ML is awarded, assuming also that the full permit 13559 is granted too .

Cause as it currently stands....

AVZ = 36%, CATH = 24%, DRC / COM = 25%

( DATHOMIR 15% is in dispute with ICC )

( PRE EMPTION 15% is in dispute with ICC too, but not a stumbling block for ML )

CATH needs to agree to 9% interest in the short term to allow AVZ / Dathcom = 51% to operate RD.

CATH / JV agreement was extended to 31/12/22, we are due for a update on that.

Will it be another extension, or could it be confirmation that CATH is happy for 24% to be reduced to 9%, whilst ICC arbitration plays out ?

imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

An excellent recite of the AGM mate......and totally agree.

Look , all i was trying to convey was, surely AVZ / DATHCOM have to come to a agreement with CATH regards to interim reduction of their 24% before the ML is awarded, assuming also that the full permit 13559 is granted too .

Cause as it currently stands....

AVZ = 36%, CATH = 24%, DRC / COM = 25%

( DATHOMIR 15% is in dispute with ICC )

( PRE EMPTION 15% is in dispute with ICC too, but not a stumbling block for ML )

CATH needs to agree to 9% interest in the short term to allow AVZ / Dathcom = 51% to operate RD.

CATH / JV agreement was extended to 31/12/22, we are due for a update on that.

Will it be another extension, or could it be confirmation that CATH is happy for 24% to be reduced to 9%, whilst ICC arbitration plays out ?

imo

It's the applicant for the ML that needs 51% so Dathcom has that imo

Under no circumstances can management allow us to go under 51%. I have full confidence that they will make sure that is the end result. Otherwise the other partners will vote against us and bully us into selling our stake to them by making sure we never see dividends.

 

[DoubleA]

Agree - I did’t think I had suggested otherwise.

What I am saying is that it is Dathcom that is the applicant and would require 51%.

 

[tonster66]

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What I am saying is that it is Dathcom that is the applicant and would require 51%.

Yep and Dathcom has a confirmed 60% by the IGF

 

[Carlos Danger]

Yep and Dathcom has a confirmed 60% by the IGF

AVZI holds 75% of Dathcom. 60% of which is irrevocable as confirmed by the IGF report.