PERMITS

[Affenhorst]

...if it covers the environmental part and Natura 2000, I would think no, as they probably haven't decided yet if they want to do underground mining or not.

Well, they state it right in the next paragraph

 

[cosors]

Unfortunately, I turned off my computer without sending the post apparently
We have already submitted the applications for NN and Niska South and North for the processing concession not long ago!! Furthermore, there was also the reason why we do not have the processing concession for NS yet although submitted at the same time as the environmental permit. The permit was rejected because we did not have Natura2000 at that time. But now we have it and the important processing concession should be a formality and we should receive this permit soon. That is how I interpret it. There are no other negative reasons. I have to see when I find the time to look it up again. I know exactly where to but the translation and compilation always takes a while. So take it by the way that we have already submitted the applications for Niska. I will supply this later.

 

[Slymeat]

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'Anode' is an additive to fossil fuels. It reacts with the fuel to create a psycho-active compound in the vehicles emissions. This compound is the worst greenhouse gas in existence, but it is used by governments and companies because it has the side effect of pacifying the population. Until the 2010's the existence of Anodes was purely hypothetical but it turns out companies have known about them for decades and covered it up.

Not hard to find this stuff out, I managed to learn all of that just on social media. Didn't even have to look at Wikipedia. I can see why the Sami are concerned.

That’s the first use of the word anode in that context that I have ever heard.

I respect your right to have input, and I appreciate you bringing to my attention another meaning of a familiar word, however, using anode in that context, when talking about Talga and processing of graphite from its mine, is completely out of context. I also believe that is NOT the argument the Sami’s are pursuing—although they probably DO use the environmentally harmful anode fuel additive, of which you speak, in their Ski-dos.

Talga has always been about graphite and battery anodes—as in the negative electrode of a battery.

I also didn’t need to look that up on Wikipedia nor be misled by conspiracy theories purported by social media. I used knowledge gained in my Electrical Engineering degree.

I have a parting piece of advice—be very careful of anything you “learn” from social media.

 

[cosors]

That’s the first use of the word anode in that context that I have ever heard.

I respect your right to have input, and I appreciate you bringing to my attention another meaning of a familiar word, however, using anode in that context, when talking about Talga and processing of graphite from its mine, is completely out of context. I also believe that is NOT the argument the Sami’s are pursuing—although they probably DO use the environmentally harmful anode fuel additive, of which you speak, in their Ski-dos.

Talga has always been about graphite and battery anodes—as in the negative electrode of a battery.

I also didn’t need to look that up on Wikipedia nor be misled by conspiracy theories purported by social media. I used knowledge gained in my Electrical Engineering degree.

I have a parting piece of advice—be very careful of anything you “learn” from social media.

I think this was just a joke.
I also have read unspeakable nonsense over the last few years and even posted a few of those statements here as a joke. I could fill a book with them.

 

[Semmel]

That’s the first use of the word anode in that context that I have ever heard.

I respect your right to have input, and I appreciate you bringing to my attention another meaning of a familiar word, however, using anode in that context, when talking about Talga and processing of graphite from its mine, is completely out of context. I also believe that is NOT the argument the Sami’s are pursuing—although they probably DO use the environmentally harmful anode fuel additive, of which you speak, in their Ski-dos.

Talga has always been about graphite and battery anodes—as in the negative electrode of a battery.

I also didn’t need to look that up on Wikipedia nor be misled by conspiracy theories purported by social media. I used knowledge gained in my Electrical Engineering degree.

I have a parting piece of advice—be very careful of anything you “learn” from social media.

 

[cosors]

Unfortunately, I turned off my computer without sending the post apparently
We have already submitted the applications for NN and Niska South and North for the processing concession not long ago!! Furthermore, there was also the reason why we do not have the processing concession for NS yet although submitted at the same time as the environmental permit. The permit was rejected because we did not have Natura2000 at that time. But now we have it and the important processing concession should be a formality and we should receive this permit soon. That is how I interpret it. There are no other negative reasons. I have to see when I find the time to look it up again. I know exactly where to but the translation and compilation always takes a while. So take it by the way that we have already submitted the applications for Niska. I will supply this later.
Last note: Exploitation concession means trial mining I think.

Here it is in a nutshell and rush in the long weekend and I have to hit the slopes..

On 13 February 2023, the company was in contact with the district administration by phone and email, where differences between the application for a processing concession for Nunasvaara Södra and the applications for processing concessions for Nunasvaara Norra, Niska Södra and Niska Norra were ~emphasised/discussed. The company states that the different parts of the so-called Vittangi project have progressed differently. The County Administrative Board notes that the four above-mentioned applications for processing concessions were submitted to the County Administrative Board for comment on the same day.
https://www.lansstyrelsen.se/download/18.aaa7d3018721d757b6137c5/1680250745814/Yttrande till Bergsstaten över ansökan om bearbetningskoncession Nunasvaara Södra K nr 1 i Kiruna kommun.pdf

Happy holidays and a little commemoration cannot hurt today and tomorrow for us. But then there will be celebrations. Enjoy yourselves!

 

[beserk]

'

'Anode' is an additive to fossil fuels. It reacts with the fuel to create a psycho-active compound in the vehicles emissions. This compound is the worst greenhouse gas in existence, but it is used by governments and companies because it has the side effect of pacifying the population. Until the 2010's the existence of Anodes was purely hypothetical but it turns out companies have known about them for decades and covered it up.

Not hard to find this stuff out, I managed to learn all of that just on social media. Didn't even have to look at Wikipedia. I can see why the Sami are concerned.

Vittangibor om grönt ljus till gruvan: ”En sorgens dag”

Vittangiborna Hanna Råman och Ulrik Lidström hade hoppats på ett annat utslag om grafitgruvan i Nunasvaara i mark- och miljödomstolen. – Det här är en sorgens dag, säger Hanna Råman.

www.svt.se

Don't tell this to new age couple living in harmony with nature in Vittangi. They were listed as parties in the Case file 1573 -20 in the Enviro courts recent DECISION. They might want to use it as a valid argument in a future appeal. I kid you not. Interesting to put faces to names of the local anti resistance that appear in the Case file.

-beserk

 

[cosors]

Vittangibor om grönt ljus till gruvan: ”En sorgens dag”

Vittangiborna Hanna Råman och Ulrik Lidström hade hoppats på ett annat utslag om grafitgruvan i Nunasvaara i mark- och miljödomstolen. – Det här är en sorgens dag, säger Hanna Råman.

www.svt.se

Don't tell this new age couple living in harmony with nature in Vittangi. They were listed as parties in the Case file 1573 -20 in the Enviro courts recent DECISION. They might want to use it as a valid argument in a future appeal. I kid you not. Interesting to put faces to names of the local anti resistance that appear in the Case file.

-beserk

I'm not the least bit worried about that. Their most powerful weapon has hissed not banged and the court was not convinced said meeh and granted us permission. So this argument is forfeited. But I know that at the same time you could mean it as a joke and also again without joking.
I think I understand what you mean. At one point I had the feeling that people were reading along at HC. I always pay attention to what I write and also erase names if necessary so that people do not find themselves here again. Others already helped me with that, it was about the lawyer. And above all I make sure that I write only what everyone can read. Talga follows all the rules and is much fairer than the other side who spreads their propaganda and untruths through the media. I am quite calm. Even my opinion in the bar I would mean the same in real in the bar. I think my avatar is a very realistic image of me that's why I sometimes seem so bulky. Why should I smooth everything?

 

[JNRB]

That’s the first use of the word anode in that context that I have ever heard.

I respect your right to have input, and I appreciate you bringing to my attention another meaning of a familiar word, however, using anode in that context, when talking about Talga and processing of graphite from its mine, is completely out of context. I also believe that is NOT the argument the Sami’s are pursuing—although they probably DO use the environmentally harmful anode fuel additive, of which you speak, in their Ski-dos.

Talga has always been about graphite and battery anodes—as in the negative electrode of a battery.

I also didn’t need to look that up on Wikipedia nor be misled by conspiracy theories purported by social media. I used knowledge gained in my Electrical Engineering degree.

I have a parting piece of advice—be very careful of anything you “learn” from social media.

Gotta give you credit for such a restrained and polite response to what you interpreted as the ramblings of a total nut-job.
As a few already pointed out though, that post was meant incredibly facetiously.

It was in response to an article that someone had shared about local opposition to the results where they questioned the importance of - quote: "this so-called 'anode' "
The intent was to point out how completely stupid it was that they are objecting so ardently to something that they know nothing about, and have clearly made no attempt to learn anything about (eg - checking wikipedia).

 

[cosors]

"The Land and Environmental Court gives Talga the green light for graphite mining​

NEWS 06 April 2023 Text: Mikael Svensson Photo: Carl Johan Erikson / Sweden's Courts
Australian mining company Talga has received permission from the Land and Environmental Court at Umeå district court to mine 120,000 tons of graphite annually in Nunasvaara next to Vittangi in Kiruna municipality.
- The application applies to all activities that the company intends to conduct at Nunasvaara Södra and is not dependent on other projects or environmental permits. The court also does not think that there are any flaws in the evidence. It has therefore been possible for the court to carry out a complete assessment of all environmental effects, explains the court's chairman, councilor Anna Svedjevik.
However, the court rules that the permit cannot be claimed before any appeals have been processed.
Talga's application for permission was submitted to the court at the end of May 2020.
- The goal has been a little unusual because the application has also been made available to the public in Finland. Material has also been translated into Finnish. It has affected the court's processing time, explains Anna Svedjevik.
Source: Land and Environment Court."
https://www.bergsmannen.se/nyheter/e/6296/mark-och-miljodomstolen-ger-talga-gront-ljus-for-grafitbrytning/

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I can currently imagine that this is the answer to the question about the strange market reaction and the SP. What do you think?

 

[WheresTheMonkey]

Klart – domstol ger tillstånd till grafitgruva utanför Vittangi

Mark- och miljödomstolen ger Talga AB tillstånd att bryta grafit i fyndigheten Nunasvaara södra nära Vittangi i Kiruna kommun. Men ännu är det flera myndighetsbeslut som måste falla på plats innan gruvbrytningen kan starta.

www.svt.se

 

[WheresTheMonkey]

EU vill öka utvinning av mineraler – kan öka pressen på samebyar

EU-kommissionens rättsakt för hur EU ska bli mer självförsörjande av så kallade kritiska mineraler presenterades nyligen. Men i många fall står gruvdrift mot andra intressen – som i fallet med gruvbolaget Talgas planer att bryta grafit i Talma samebys vinterbetesmarker i Kiruna kommun.

www.svt.se

 

[cosors]

Klart – domstol ger tillstånd till grafitgruva utanför Vittangi

Mark- och miljödomstolen ger Talga AB tillstånd att bryta grafit i fyndigheten Nunasvaara södra nära Vittangi i Kiruna kommun. Men ännu är det flera myndighetsbeslut som måste falla på plats innan gruvbrytningen kan starta.

www.svt.se

For me this doesn't read very positively as far as future expansions are concerned. But I don't want to overinterpret it because I could misunderstand it just as well and it is also an interpretation.

 

[JNRB]

For me this doesn't read very positively as far as future expansions are concerned. But I don't want to overinterpret it because I could misunderstand it just as well and it is also an interpretation.

Which part?
IMO - "mining and reindeer herding can coexist" is the only important line in there. That's a general principle, not a statement about this mine specifically. Court is setting the groundwork for future mining activities to be able to happen around Sweden.

Council may have a bit of a huff, but anything they do that's going against the cours decision opens them up to legal action. Which they would lose, and which would only further strengthen the hand of people applying for future mining permits.

 

[beserk]

And the pro mining Swedish Government will overule any Council nonsense.They could enact new legislation in Swedish parliament, as was the case for Cementa, to give an exception to graphite exploration and declare it of national importance.

If there is a will there is a way.

 

[cosors]

Which part?
IMO - "mining and reindeer herding can coexist" is the only important line in there. That's a general principle, not a statement about this mine specifically. Court is setting the groundwork for future mining activities to be able to happen around Sweden.

Council may have a bit of a huff, but anything they do that's going against the cours decision opens them up to legal action. Which they would lose, and which would only further strengthen the hand of people applying for future mining permits.

The two sentences. As noted, I can misunderstand or mistranslate something. And I interpret a translated interpretation. And I am not a politician, lawyer or bureaucrat.

So this decision was made today, and the court is of the opinion that a permit could only be granted for the area applied for.

A detailed plan is not necessarily required, but applications for future building permits can be appealed, and then there will be an assessment for the county council, the outcome of which will be difficult to predict.

The district administration would have to process the application for Niska South, for example, as it did for NS. The only difference is that at that time the city government was in favor of mining. The social democrats have positioned themselves against this mining for whatever reasons. Rightly, the question would be asked here, what if no permit. For me, now that we have it, the biggest threat is a delay and that there will be difficulties with the expansions and that they will be prevented. But there is a tailwind coming from Brussels with the proposal for the CRMA. So they couldn't obstruct in the future just because they want to. On the contrary, they were forced to support it. In the proposal natural graphite is classified not only as critical but also of strategic importance. I would be interested to know if the local politicians of the SD knew or wanted to know about this.)

I just want to play through everything in my mind.

 

[beserk]

And the pro mining Swedish Government will overule any Council nonsense.They could enact new legislation in Swedish parliament, as was the case for Cementa, to give an exception to graphite exploration and declare it of national importance.

If there is a will there is a way.

However as a last resort I fear the Talma Sámi will take this Case to Supreme court as they have promised.

And in the Supreme Court their lawyers will raise the argument of International protection of Indigenous populations way of life.

IMO this will be followed by protests by an unholy alliance of Sámi , green leaning Social Democrats, overwintering new age local hippies, and a cast of hundreds. This has the potential of invoking the wrath of St Greta like the Fosen wind mill case did in Oslo recently. Where she coined a new catch phrase "Green Colonialism."

If it all comes to pass we will have the whole cabal of antis gathered around this latest cause. But this time closer to our spiritual home and my physical home away from home.

Hope that the events outlined above will not eventuate but conceivably they might.

-beserk

 

[Affenhorst]

From Goldfinger99 over on Hot Crapper:

Talga just phoned me back.

What was explained to me:

1) There is a 3 week period to lodge an appeal,
2) The court will look at it and see if the appeal is credible and based on valid grounds,
3) If the appeal is credible there will be no permit issued until the appeal is heard and a decision made,
4) If it gets this far this process is likely to take approx 6 months,
5) They have a contingency to use the stock pilled or from the test mine,
6) If there is a credible appeal and we win it there is yet a higher court to appeal to and the process above starts again.

Obviously dependant on an appeal being lodged on based on valid grounds.

 

[SoundandtheFury]

Email i received regarding permits and mining, in full:

Thanks for your email.

For Talga to commence graphite mining, all permits (including the environmental permit, the exploitation concession and other local approvals) must legally come into force. This includes the resolution of any permissible appeals to the environmental permit.

Following the granting of the Natura 2000 permit, the Swedish Mining Inspectorate is now assessing Talga’s exploitation concession for the Nunasvaara South mining operation.

Regards,

Alex



Alex Dook
Communications Coordinator

 

[anbuck]

In the case of the Botnia mine, the nature conservationist association appealed it all the way to the supreme court and it took ten months from the initial court ruling to be rejected by the supreme court. Does anyone know how to get a look at the appeals that were done in that case so we can see how credible they were? If they were silly appeals that still were heard by the court, then that doesn't bode well for Talga.