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Welcome to that club too, Brother.
Jeeeezus. We can't all be wrong! 🤣
Guess we'll all be either living in penthouses or under bridges soon enough. 🤣
I'm happy to live under a bridge.
 

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Ah, to dream:unsure:

German car makers embrace brave new world of software-driven vehicles​


Munich-based BMW wants to link hardware and software together with large IT groups. However, the car giant is careful to maintain sovereignty over the data and to be able to link the systems itself so as not to become dependent on individual partners.

"We are not afraid of tech players at all because we work with all of them," CEO Oliver Zipse said in January at the CES tech show in Las Vegas.

These include not only the IT giants, but also many highly specialised start-ups. Cars are not just smartphones on wheels, they are complex, Zipse stressed, and this poses a hurdle for established tech companies.
 
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Some shenanigans this afternoon.

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AGM

Your board and CEO are doing a great job...........................................Our board and CEO are doing a great job.
You don't need to see any ASX announcements................................We don't need to see any ASX announcements.
You must reward the board with share placements..........................We must reward the board with share placements.
Nothing to see here, move on....................................................................Nothing to see here, let's move on.
 
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HopalongPetrovski

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AGM

Your board and CEO are doing a great job...........................................Our board and CEO are doing a great job.
You don't need to see any ASX announcements................................We don't need to see any ASX announcements.
You must reward the board with share placements..........................We must reward the board with share placements.
Nothing to see here, move on....................................................................Nothing to see here, let's move on.
Yeah, let's move on and start generating huge revenues which will, in time, be reflected by the share price and eventually dividends to share holders!
Or, we could get distracted and bogged down in court cases, undermine our boards and managers credibility, slow down and disincentivize our staff and potentially add more years before we become solvent, ubiquitous and an industry standard.
Let's move forward, before the behemoths catch up.
If you want to examine entrails, buy a goat.
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face!
Who gains from that?
 
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Yeah, let's move on and start generating huge revenues which will, in time, be reflected by the share price and eventually dividends to share holders!
Or, we could get distracted and bogged down in court cases, undermine our boards and managers credibility, slow down and disincentive our staff and potentially add more years before we become solvent, ubiquitous and an industry standard.
Let's move forward, before the behemoths catch up.
If you want to examine entrails, buy a goat.
Here's hoping they address the SP manipulation this AGM to settle nerves for some. Also hoping for a left fielder about moving forwards on Nasdaq Full Listing too! Late 2024 fourth quarter would suit fine to start off 2025 with a bang "THE BIG BANG!" IMO.
Our Board being near all Yankees i'm sure they know the huge benefits of being on Nasdaq. Cheers to all us lucky holders , Vlad.
 
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Here's hoping they address the SP manipulation this AGM to settle nerves for some. Also hoping for a left fielder about moving forwards on Nasdaq Full Listing too! Late 2024 fourth quarter would suit fine to start off 2025 with a bang "THE BIG BANG!" IMO.
Our Board being near all Yankees i'm sure they know the huge benefits of being on Nasdaq. Cheers to all us lucky holders , Vlad.
 
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HopalongPetrovski

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I don't really think there is much if anything the Board or management can do about share price manipulation.
It will no doubt continue as long as the mechanisms favour its proponents.
Even companies with the size and heft of Tesla and Apple are regularly targeted.

Some will say we need to disclose more via ASX announcements but they are doing what they consider best in this regard and have been consistent for some time now.
They are not trumpeting fluff, as many Companies do, providing sugar hits for traders to profit from, but are building and protecting our corporate reputation, with an eye to our wannabe associates who demand and respect both discretion and probity.

Nor do I hold out much promise in direct legal action.
At least not until a precedent has been established by a local governing authority.

In essence, the shorting and other manipulative behaviour is beyond the scope of any single business to deal with and will only be answered by appropriate sanctions exacted by/or on, a governing body.
 
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I don't really think there is much if anything the Board or management can do about share price manipulation.
It will no doubt continue as long as the mechanisms favour its proponents.
Even companies with the size and heft of Tesla and Apple are regularly targeted.

Some will say we need to disclose more via ASX announcements but they are doing what they consider best in this regard and have been consistent for some time now.
They are not trumpeting fluff, as many Companies do, providing sugar hits for traders to profit from, but are building and protecting our corporate reputation, with an eye to our wannabe associates who demand and respect both discretion and probity.

Nor do I hold out much promise in direct legal action.
At least not until a precedent has been established by a local governing authority.

In essence, the shorting and other manipulative behaviour is beyond the scope of any single business to deal with and will only be answered by appropriate sanctions exacted by/or on, a governing body.

I think Manny mentioned it in the other thread, the insto's really just duck and weave with technical analysis.
If you strip away the news (because keeping up to date is cumbersome, even with AI) and just look at technical analysis we are only just beginning to look like turning things around.
These guys don't concern themselves with press releases and tweets etc, they just wait for flags and open and close positions.

I don't personally believe any one group is responsible for manipulating a stock with this kind of volume and volatility.
They may be capable, but when they can either go long or short on a whim and not fight the market, why would they bother trying to move it in a particular direction.
Not to mention even if you think you are a whale, there's probably a bigger whale capable of destroying you in seconds.
 
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HopalongPetrovski

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I think Manny mentioned it in the other thread, the insto's really just duck and weave with technical analysis.
If you strip away the news (because keeping up to date is cumbersome, even with AI) and just look at technical analysis we are only just beginning to look like turning things around.
These guys don't concern themselves with press releases and tweets etc, they just wait for flags and open and close positions.

I don't personally believe any one group is responsible for manipulating a stock with this kind of volume and volatility.
They may be capable, but when they can either go long or short on a whim and not fight the market, why would they bother trying to move it in a particular direction.
Not to mention even if you think you are a whale, there's probably a bigger whale capable of destroying you in seconds.
I'm gonna call you Ishmael from now on. 🤣🐳🐋
 
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Made it down to Gosford today. Will be in Sydney for the AGM. Does anyone know if you have to pre register your attendance, or can I just rock up?
 
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"We keep making progress. Step by step."

This comment says it all, based on this mornings early news, I can't say whom I'm quoting, but believe me when I say it's genuine.

The current building blocks that are being placed at our foundations are more representative of where we are currently, not where we
were 3 or more years ago, there's solid and then there's solid !!

The key personnel all know that we Aussie shareholders appreciate their individual efforts, and sometimes that's what it comes down to,
being able to relate to an individual on a one-on-one basis within any given company, in this situation I'm referring to Rob, his sideways
movement within the company's leadership group was a masterstroke, meaning, having your key personnel in the best position to advance
the company, whereby they are comfortable in the role they have been gifted.

On another note, has anyone ever raised the point that maybe Manny didn't wish to leave his role as Chair, and was actually asked to stand
aside to make way for Antonio? just thought I'd put that out there. I have decided to vote NO.

Like for like I'd accept, but not the current proposal, I know voting is a private thing for many, but I have always been a free spirit, and don't
really care if you know my personal position, I'll always stand by my convictions.

Have a nice evening or sleep or breakfast, whatever the case may be.....my regards.....Tech

@TECH, If you read the AGM notes you will see that the lapsed options were initially granted to Manny 7 July 2017, these options then lapsed/expired 1st March 2022. All options have an expiry date

See page 26 of 2023 Notice of AGM for further info if you want the detail that has been provided to us, however, it should be kept in mind that Manny Hernandez had close to 5 years to exercise these options.

In a previous post I mentioned that tax law in US is quite different to Oz tax law, so if Manny had exercised his options they would have then vested into FPO's (fully paid ordinaries) which under US tax law could have involved an immediate tax liability (even if he didn't sell his vested shares).

Regardless Manny had plenty of time to make a plan, and if he really wanted to exercise the options he should have had a plan, around his options, but this ass his prerogative or responsibility (not BRN's). Importantly (but not mentioned in info provided by BRN) he would have also had the ability to speak/contact with the company Secretary who would have been able to advise him that shareholder approval would need to be had with regard to making changes to the date of options expiry, or some such.

Be clear any reasonably well informed company secretary would have been able to furnish the needed info very readily, their brief
requires a reasonable understanding of company law, it's not rocket science. I have been a company secretary so have some small understanding of the subject matter.

So for me the story we are being given is too short on some important detail, or IMO it doesn't stand up, we are being told it is in the best interests of all parties, I don't buy it. Manny simply had to pay $0.12 to exercise them, but now the company is not issuing him options, but rather giving him free shares, go figure. I don't like being treated this way - and it wouldn't matter who it was.
 
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Made it down to Gosford today. Will be in Sydney for the AGM. Does anyone know if you have to pre register your attendance, or can I just rock up?
Just rock up and Sean or Peter will escort you to your seat.
 
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Made it down to Gosford today. Will be in Sydney for the AGM. Does anyone know if you have to pre register your attendance, or can I just rock up?
I'd suggest having some form of identification/voting letter.
 
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Some shenanigans this afternoon.

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Yes, F#CK*NG DISGRACEFUL how this continues !!!!!!!
BUT, to my untrained, tin-foiled hat opinion, ...................... its all about ACCUMULATION !!!!!!

HOLD STRONG IMO

AKIDO BALLISTO
 
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