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I think a more appropriate analogy could be

If it walks like a cat and sounds like a cat....
We still don't know if it's dead or alive in the box
Just a quick and easy explanation, for those that haven't heard of it..

 
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May be of interest:


"The US federal circuit court has confirmed that AI systems cannot patent inventions because they are not human beings."

"Abbott told the publication: “It ignores the purpose of the Patent Act and the outcome that AI-generated inventions are now unpatentable in the United States. That is an outcome with real negative social consequences.”
 
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Makeme 2020

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NVISO INKS TWO NEW AUTOMOTIVE DEALS
Subject: NVISO inks two new automotive deals



Dear Shane,



While the engineering team at NVISO has been hard at work (see BrainChip’s quarterly announcement on activities which offers huge potential in the Automotive EV space for in-cabin sensor monitoring), we are very pleased to see that commercial developments are also advancing successfully in parallel within the Automotive sector with Tier 1 and Tier 2 partners.



NVISO provides AI Solutions to premium Automotive OEMs looking to deliver the most robust safety features while innovating with convenience features for occupant monitoring systems. We are pleased to announce we have recently inked two new important automotive deals:



Automotive Tier 1 System Integrator: NVISO has successfully concluded a paid development license with a global automotive system integrator:

  • Targeting low power embedded hardware for intelligent cockpit applications.
  • Allows system integrator to carry out demonstrations and pre-award work to secure design-wins with OEMs for embedding NVISO's Human Behaviour AI.
  • Core component of the future of intelligent driving and smart cockpits.


Automotive Tier 2 Semiconductor: NVISO has successfully executed a multi-year development license with a leading Tier2 automotive semiconductor vendor:

  • Access to low power edge computing software and hardware for porting of its Human Behaviour AI SDK to automotive grade platforms used by OEMs worldwide.
  • Allows NVISO to continue to deliver easy to integrate AI Solutions directly for OEMs.


NVISO Human Behaviour AI as an indispensable component of intelligent driving and the smart cockpit of the future. Driven by a growing shift towards software defined automotive architectures and next generation in-vehicle computing platforms, OEMs are starting to move towards unlocking value through personalised and AI driven software. Some OEMs are even experimenting with “features on demand” to unlock new revenue streams with connected and EV vehicles.



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Kind regards,

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Timothy Llewellynn

Director

NVISO Australia Pty Ltd

(ACN 627 584 847)
 
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Dhm

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Hope you guys might be able to help me here. I am a retired banker so the BrainChip thing is amazing for me to understand (and most of I still don’t get) but being a shareholder is a privilege.

I am on holiday presently in Seville, and I met a bloke who is the CTO of The Linux Foundation in the US.

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/.

He is telling me of Open Source computing and how it is vital in the current evolution of computing. I suggested Brainchip was too, but was out of my depth in keeping up with him. Can anyone guide me to anything that might help my understanding of where Open Source fits in, and is it relevant to us?

Oh, I just heard Olivia Newton John just passed away. I am crying, especially with Judith Durham a few days ago 😢
 
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Especially when it got down to discussing the ARM M33 which the Renesas CTO said we were going in. And the next post in that conversation had their phase 2 product on an M33.

Very exciting: I won’t be able to sleep tonight.

Congratulations everyone: to all those who waired patiently for all those years. Hopefully tomorrow will see some reward.

:)
And Stable do you remember when @butcherano put up the slide on M33 it had the words SENSOR FUSION.
At the Agm i remember Sean using these exact words. i don't have the exact script notes but it was something like "Sensor Fusion" That's all that got slotted in my brain memory area but it was firmly planted there so your recent remention of Renesas air quality product, Butcheranos slides and @Diogenese producing no ogre and also mentioning m33 some time ago, I will go with yr hunch and add that we are the sensor fusion.
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chef

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Hope you guys might be able to help me here. I am a retired banker so the BrainChip thing is amazing for me to understand (and most of I still don’t get) but being a shareholder is a privilege.

I am on holiday presently in Seville, and I met a bloke who is the CTO of The Linux Foundation in the US.

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/.

He is telling me of Open Source computing and how it is vital in the current evolution of computing. I suggested Brainchip was too, but was out of my depth in keeping up with him. Can anyone guide me to anything that might help my understanding of where Open Source fits in, and is it relevant to us?

Oh, I just heard Olivia Newton John just passed away. I am crying, especially with Judith Durham a few days ago 😢
it's not an easy topic as you have to understand a lot of the nerd corner.

random general summary: https://www.makeuseof.com/open-source-vs-closed-source-software-difference/

ARM vs RISC-V: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/arm-vs-risc-v/

a more precise question would be easier to answer😉
 
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Slymeat

Move on, nothing to see.
But if it is dead then in a parallel universe it will be alive!
Oh Hollywood has so much to answer for WRT distorting people’s view on the theory of parallel universes.
 
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Slymeat

Move on, nothing to see.
AKIDA = no cloud = secure.
That should be a sufficiently strong, and convincing, argument to dissuade people from buying the flood of EVs that will emanate from out of China. Remember Huwawai and the G5 fiasco. Once spyware was confirmed nations forbid importing their products.

Privacy should be on the top of everyone’s mind, and Akida can help assure this. That should be on a slogan somewhere!

Remove the fog, dissipate the cloud, improve privacy by keeping edge processing where it belongs.

The AIoT needs no uncontrolled, nor any constant, connection to the internet. Only connect when you chose to be securely connected for secure upgrades.
 
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8.6 Sensor Module Algorithm and Firmware
To operate the ZMOD4410, the software and libraries provided by Renesas should be used. The algorithm for the user’s microprocessor always
uses the raw output signals from the ZMOD4410, which are resistances, to determine the level of gases present. Depending on the
microprocessor and compiler used, the firmware and its algorithms require 10 to 30 kB flash size. All algorithms feature an automated baseline
correction function, ensuring that the module can learn from its environment and distinguish elevated levels of gases under all conditions
. The
proprietary metal oxide (MOx) used in the sensor ensures that the sensor module can respond effectively to changing TVOC during long-term
operation. Therefore, the user focus should always be on the relevant output parameters: The IAQ level according to UBA, the TVOC
concentration (available in mg/m3 and as Ethanol equivalent in ppm), and/or the estimation of carbon dioxide (eCO2).
For implementing the sensor module in a customer-specific application, detailed information on the programming is available.

More information
and guidance on the firmware integration, architecture, and supported platforms are available in the ZMOD4410 Programming Manual – Read
Me. Code Examples in C and additional firmware descriptions for API, HAL, libraries, etc., are included at no cost in the downloadable firmware
package from the ZMOD4410 product page


@butcherano @Diogenese @Stable Genius

Good morning @uiux

Is that a technical way of saying no, it’s not Akida?

If so, appreciate you keeping it real. It can be quite draining having to temper others expectations. So sorry about that!

If so forgive my exuberance. I was really just very happy for everyone involved: the founders; staff and us shareholders!

I’ll put my excitement back in it’s box, close the lid on it and wait patiently.

If this product doesn’t include Akida it’s not the end of the world.

Renesas have still licensed 2 nodes to release on an Arm M33 product with us at some stage as their CTO told us so!

Every days a fresh start, enjoy!

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Good morning @uiux

Is that a technical way of saying no, it’s not Akida?

If so, appreciate you keeping it real. It can be quite draining having to temper others expectations. So sorry about that!

If so forgive my exuberance. I was really just very happy for everyone involved: the founders; staff and us shareholders!

I’ll put my excitement back in it’s box, close the lid on it and wait patiently.

If this product doesn’t include Akida it’s not the end of the world.

Renesas have still licensed 2 nodes to release on an Arm M33 product with us at some stage as their CTO told us so!

Every days a fresh start, enjoy!

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Was just highlighting this feature:


All algorithms feature an automated baseline
correction function, ensuring that the module can learn from its environment and distinguish elevated levels of gases under all conditions
.

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Which is interesting if the system relies on a neural network for it's classifications, learning on the edge perhaps?
 
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Slymeat

Move on, nothing to see.
That is exactly my thought and approach. Specifically I'm interested in facial recognition or driver recognition as it will probably become mandatory. The laws are not yet in place as well as the laws regarding AI-based data processing, probably next year.
I'm quite sure that Nviso+Akida has or will get the attention of some lawyers in this particular area. Through MB we have at least more attention in Germany than in the US. There Tesla attracts all the attention. Be it about lawsuits over facial recognition in the vehicle or recognition outside. Apart from lawsuits against Autopilot (now also one in Germany). As far as I know none of the lawsuits have been settled yet.

Nviso should do some/more lobbying in Brussels so that the key politicians in the law-making process realise that there is also a non-cloud based solution to the problem.
Exactly @cosors, with cloud based systems, that simply upload the raw data, privacy is a real concern. Once the transmitted images are in “The Cloud” who the hell knows what can be done with them.

Akida-based sensors, or just sensors that interact with Akida, only deal with meta data. Internal one-shot training is used to locally store the metadata required to do internal facial recognition. But even then, only meta data is stored and the individuals are anonymously known as person-1, person-2 etc. It is only for demonstrable effect that these are labelled as “Rob”, “Anil” etc.

For obstacles outside the vehicle, no facial recognition is required. Once again Akida-based sensors need only transmit metadata describing the type of obstacle, location, and motion (helped by LTSM). And once again, none of this info needs to be sent external to the vehicle and only needs to be stored locally, and then only for a few seconds.

Even when considering the possibility of “black boxes” for EVs, they need only store data pertinent to vehicle logistics and response based on type of obstacles in the immediate area. And maybe an anonymised LiDAR map when an accident happens. But then we have dash cam for that also—these are deemed less invasive for their lack of connectedness also. And a person is liable if they chose to manually upload images.

An EV that uses only metadata and transmits NOTHING externally, should not be subject to this legislation. Akida should rule this space. Akida is THE ANSWER to this space!

Bring on the legislation I say. I’d love to see it enforced everywhere. One could even say, I want this privacy legislation being ubiquitous.🤣
 
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I agree. It’s not up to Brainchip to announce it. And maybe they can’t due to NDA as Renesas will want to push their own AI where they can even if it’s inferior, so they get bigger profit margins.

Brainchip may have their hands tied. Once Renesas bought the license for the 2 nodes to put into an Arm M33 product they have paid the $$$ to do what they like with it.

So maybe there won’t be an announcement. It would be nice to have some acknowledgement of a product available now after such a long wait for all involved!

Maybe it will just be in the financials. Either way I am just happy for the companies success and for the shareholders who have held firm!

Or… I could be completely wrong!

Fingers crossed everyone!
Stable
While I agree that it would be very nice for our soul to see the SP gain a bit or lot. What I take out of this if it is us is the fact the competitors for these products will know they are using our products. So apart from the trickle of revenue slowing growing into a river, the snowball effect of new potential customers swamping our company is what gives me a little grin on my dial as I sit on the train heading to my 9-5 for one of hopefully a limited few more times.

Stay strong and stay long chippers
 
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All the applications this Renesas ZMOD4410 sensor can be used for is endless.
So Excited Reaction GIF by Travis
Party Dancing GIF by Florida Georgia Line


Air Conditioner (High-End)
Air Duct System
Air Purifier Sensor Module
Air Quality Control for IoT Building Automation
Arduino Shield Sensor Board
Bathroom Odor Detector
Bathroom Odor Detector with Bluetooth Low Energy
Biosensing with Wireless Charging and Bluetooth
Bluetooth Low Energy (LE) Sensor Network Solution
Building Automation Lighting with Air Quality Sensors Solution
Cellular Cloud Connected System
Cloud and Sensor Solution for IoT Endpoints
Cloud Connected Wi-Fi & Bluetooth® Low Energy Sensor Hub
Connected Oxygen Concentrator Controller
Diaper Odor Detector
Flammable Gas Leakage Detector
Furnace Control
Gas Sensor with Cloud Connection for Industrial Applications
HVAC Air Quality Sensor
IEEE 802.15.4g-Based Battery-Powered Sub-GHz Wireless Communication
In-Home Air Quality Monitor System
Indoor Air Quality Sensor (IAQ)
Industrial Automation Solution with Industrial Ethernet Module
Industrial CAN Sensor Network
Industrial Ether Connectable IoT Sensor Hub
Infusion Level Monitor Using Capacitive Touch Sensing
Instrument Panel for Light Electric Vehicles
IoT Cold Chain Monitoring
IoT Sensor Board with Machine Learning & Bluetooth® Low Energy
Large Power BLDC Ceiling Fan with PFC
Mbed™ Based Image Processing Solution
Modbus ASCII/RTU Slave Board
Multi-Purpose Air Quality Sensor Solution
Multi-Sensor Module for Industrial Ethernet
Multi-Sensor Platform for ASi-5
Personal Safety Tracker
Precision TIG Welding Controller
Secure Cloud & Sensor Solution
Smart BLDC Air Cooler
Smart BLDC Fan with Humidity and Gas Sensors
Smart Industrial Gas Alarm
Smart IoT Air Purifier
Smart Range Hood
Smart Room Controller with DAB Audio System
Thermopile CO₂ Detector
Waterproof Shower Controller
Wearable Activity Tracker
Wireless Sensor Hub
Wireless Sensor Network Solutions

 
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If ARM's total revenue amounts to 9.7c per chip shipped, why would we be any different? :unsure: I struggle to understand why it is so low.
With all due respect to ARM I think that Akida technology is a little more specialised and sophisticated than ARMs low power reduced instruction chip technology. IMO this should enable BRN to command a much higher price for their IP in each chip sold. Time will tell I guess.
 
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If ARM's total revenue amounts to 9.7c per chip shipped, why would we be any different? :unsure: I struggle to understand why it is so low.

The ARM revenue averages out at 9.7c per chip as there would be many older IP low cost chips as compared to their newer IP high cost chips.

ARM Example Royalties​
IP
Royalty (% of chip cost)​
ARM7/9/11
1.0% - 1.5%​
ARM Cortex A-series
1.5% - 2.0%​
ARMv8 Based Cortex A-series
2.0% and above​
Mali GPU
0.75% - 1.25% adder​
Physical IP Package (POP)
0.5% adder​

You can see above an old ARM 7/9/11 IP chip has 1-1.5% royalty whereas a newer ARMv8 Cortex IP chip has 2% and above. Newer IP ARM chips will also have adders such as 0.75-1.25% for the Mali GPU + 0.5% adder for POP. The 0.5% adder for POP is usually paid by the foundry such as TSMC.

If you look at ARM's customer list TSMC is one of them due to the POP royalties.

Brainchip being revolutionary new AI IP should have royalties similar to new IP ARM chips at 2% and above. If chip cost is $15 x 2% = 30c per chip.
 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
There is a suspicion that Brembo may be using Akida in their Sensify braking system. They've been testing and demonstrating the system on Teslas in the US.





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The ARM revenue averages out at 9.7c per chip as there would be many older IP low cost chips as compared to their newer IP high cost chips.

ARM Example Royalties​
IP
Royalty (% of chip cost)​
ARM7/9/11
1.0% - 1.5%​
ARM Cortex A-series
1.5% - 2.0%​
ARMv8 Based Cortex A-series
2.0% and above​
Mali GPU
0.75% - 1.25% adder​
Physical IP Package (POP)
0.5% adder​


You can see above an old ARM 7/9/11 IP chip has 1-1.5% royalty whereas a newer ARMv8 Cortex IP chip has 2% and above. Newer IP ARM chips will also have adders such as 0.75-1.25% for the Mali GPU + 0.5% adder for POP. The 0.5% adder for POP is usually paid by the foundry such as TSMC.

If you look at ARM's customer list TSMC is one of them due to the POP royalties.

Brainchip being revolutionary new AI IP should have royalties similar to new IP ARM chips at 2% and above. If chip cost is $15 x 2% = 30c per chip.
I recall 50 cents per chip being thrown around a while back. Pretty sure it came from management but take this with a grain of salt as I can't be certain. I think it was at the same time they mentioned that royalties will also be dependant on the final cost or quantity of the product it is being utilised in. I'll try and dig up the comments.
 
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