AVZ Discussion 2022

All of them! :ROFLMAO:

Been a while since I was in Toscana

2000 and 2015 to be precise!

Stayed mostly in central Tuscany around Colle di val d'Elsa

Lots of access to the Chianti wineries

I don't have any particular favourites in terms of wineries and it depends where in Tuscany you are as it's a pretty big region

I also loved Florence and Sienna too but the Agriturismo area around central Tuscany is the picture postcard stuff without a doubt

For the wines themselves can't go past Chianti Classico (Sangiovese) and Vino Nobile di Montepulciano (also mostly Sangiovese)

On the bigger side Nebbiolo, Nero d'Avola and the actual Montepliciano grape wines (Montepliciano d'Abruzzo) are all great but not specifially regional to Tuscany

Oh I also like the Super Tuscans but they're more like the varieties and blends we get here and not necessarily typical of the traditional Italian styles.....but still supurb wines

Here's a link that might be useful to plan your visit.....wish it was me!:D:rolleyes:

Salute!

https://www.decanter.com/wine-travel/top-10-tuscan-wineries-to-visit-13770/
That’s great advice - that’s for taking the time to respond - much appreciated.
 
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exaclty Manono needs AVZ....I remember reading some time ago that the locals in Manono were supportive of AVZ and wanted the mine up and running asap....no idea where the article/s are. AVZ management have gone out of their way to hold meetings with the locals, what has Zijin done? tried to bribe a few...filthy swamp creatures
Zijin will make those peoples lives a living hell, just like in Serbia. If they can do that in Europe imagine what they can get away with in Africa.
It'd be a contaminated wasteland with stagnant waterways and a destitute people.

Kick them the f out of DRC.
 
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Yes that particular tweet mentions the plant, others mention other disputes…Christ lots of people pissed off, that artisanal kick off is why AVZ needs to be given majority so we can look after Manonoans much better than say the bloody Zijin thieves would or even CATL.

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An believe me if I found out we weren’t doing the right thing by them I’d be kicking off to our board, we stand to absolutely print money and it’s on their land we do not need to be arseholes about it we should help train assist these people.
In doing things legit you'd imagine there are many ways to help the local community, as an Aussie company it's in our best interests to make Manono a thriving community with a good standard of living and first class infrastructure.

Not tie up the locals and zap their balls with a car battery until they capitulate. While a few corrupt officials eat Tiger testicles and sip rum from rhyno horns in their compounds.
 
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Found this video on youtube, think its the ACAJ meeting thing, I can't really tell whats going on because auto translated subtitles and shizzle but
they're showing a video of kids and women mining cassetirite I assume and the dude walks over and shows a plank on the ground that looks like its got AVZ carved into it.... are they trying to say this is us and what we are doing and stirring everyone up? dodgy as fuck man.
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Found this video on youtube, think its the ACAJ meeting thing, I can't really tell whats going on because auto translated subtitles and shizzle but
they're showing a video of kids and women mining cassetirite I assume and the dude walks over and shows a plank on the ground that looks like its got AVZ carved into it.... are they trying to say this is us and what we are doing and stirring everyone up? dodgy as fuck man.
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Are you on the bird ? Could you flick that over to Con, he knows French
 
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Found this video on youtube, think its the ACAJ meeting thing, I can't really tell whats going on because auto translated subtitles and shizzle but
they're showing a video of kids and women mining cassetirite I assume and the dude walks over and shows a plank on the ground that looks like its got AVZ carved into it.... are they trying to say this is us and what we are doing and stirring everyone up? dodgy as fuck man.
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6 years of holding and I didn't realise we were already mining :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
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Doc

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As described in the article linked in the thread before:


""We are here so that we can present to you the first conclusions of the investigation that our citizen organization had to carry out on the ground in the province of Tanganyika, province of Haut Katanga, and here in Kinshasa. And this, end of delivering to you the disturbing realities, realities relating to the difficult, not to say Infra-human, socio-economic conditions in which our compatriots in these territories, in particular women and children, are experiencing, but also to tell you that the economic and that are offered in these territories in relation to the deposits that the Congolese state has entrusted to the state or public mining company, that the activities that have been carried out there to date, are not of a nature to reassure, to guarantee the Congolese people any benefit or advantage when these deposits are put back into production, for the simple reason that all the legal operations that have been é carried out in connection with these deposits between the Congolese State, the cominière and various companies whose names we have given here have contributed to the selling off of the assets, the interests of the Congolese people and which is no longer at the current stage" , circumscribed Me Georges Kapiamba."

They are basically saying the people in the area are suffering(not at the hands of AVZ) but generally, and go on to say that too much of Cominiere has been sold, and they only have 5% left, and that this 5% will not guarantee better lives for the locals. They mention that Cominiere has sold too much and that all parties should have to sit back down at the table and ensure the locals get more benefit et etc

My take on the problems form everything we know thus far:

1/As we know Cominiere have a lot of dirty dogs selfishly feeding from the trough and in turn ripping off the countries citizens
2/The government have given no reassurances to the locals of exact funds or projects that the states profit will provide for the locals
3/I actually back a bit of whats said, these are desperate ppl living in poverty sitting on billions of dollars and they can't even get told exactly what all the moneys going to do for them. The government need to step in and step up, it's that simple. First thing they should do is say hey ppl in Cominiere along with Zijin and Dathomir ripped you off and we are going to prosecute them and get back to owning 25%, we will then sell 15% for around $150m and some shares or whatever and most of this money will go directly to building these exact resources for the ppl of Manono and the rest will go to the country in general, further to that we will get X amount of $'s through our 10% ownership which will provide such n such for the DRC ppl, and also likely to get divvies through AVZ shares down the track along with $'s from the battery hub, but all up these are the proposals we put forward for bettering Manono and its ppl and you will get to vote on what your priorities are. Thats how a true democracy should work.

TBH its fucking sad, and it's corruption, like in the rest of the world that cause the majority in poverty to live that way
Don’t forget AVZ has said that if we get to use the hydro power ( at AVZ’s cost to rebuild ) that we will supply power to the local township.
It really does seem AVZ are trying to fit in and support the locals IMO
 
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Are you on the bird ? Could you flick that over to Con, he knows French
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As described in the article linked in the thread before:


""We are here so that we can present to you the first conclusions of the investigation that our citizen organization had to carry out on the ground in the province of Tanganyika, province of Haut Katanga, and here in Kinshasa. And this, end of delivering to you the disturbing realities, realities relating to the difficult, not to say Infra-human, socio-economic conditions in which our compatriots in these territories, in particular women and children, are experiencing, but also to tell you that the economic and that are offered in these territories in relation to the deposits that the Congolese state has entrusted to the state or public mining company, that the activities that have been carried out there to date, are not of a nature to reassure, to guarantee the Congolese people any benefit or advantage when these deposits are put back into production, for the simple reason that all the legal operations that have been é carried out in connection with these deposits between the Congolese State, the cominière and various companies whose names we have given here have contributed to the selling off of the assets, the interests of the Congolese people and which is no longer at the current stage" , circumscribed Me Georges Kapiamba."

They are basically saying the people in the area are suffering(not at the hands of AVZ) but generally, and go on to say that too much of Cominiere has been sold, and they only have 5% left, and that this 5% will not guarantee better lives for the locals. They mention that Cominiere has sold too much and that all parties should have to sit back down at the table and ensure the locals get more benefit et etc

My take on the problems form everything we know thus far:

1/As we know Cominiere have a lot of dirty dogs selfishly feeding from the trough and in turn ripping off the countries citizens
2/The government have given no reassurances to the locals of exact funds or projects that the states profit will provide for the locals
3/I actually back a bit of whats said, these are desperate ppl living in poverty sitting on billions of dollars and they can't even get told exactly what all the moneys going to do for them. The government need to step in and step up, it's that simple. First thing they should do is say hey ppl in Cominiere along with Zijin and Dathomir ripped you off and we are going to prosecute them and get back to owning 25%, we will then sell 15% for around $150m and some shares or whatever and most of this money will go directly to building these exact resources for the ppl of Manono and the rest will go to the country in general, further to that we will get X amount of $'s through our 10% ownership which will provide such n such for the DRC ppl, and also likely to get divvies through AVZ shares down the track along with $'s from the battery hub, but all up these are the proposals we put forward for bettering Manono and its ppl and you will get to vote on what your priorities are. Thats how a true democracy should work.

TBH its fucking sad, and it's corruption, like in the rest of the world that cause the majority in poverty to live that way. I think AVZ should appoint a local on the books to address the locals issues, as in someone who will go in to bat for the ppl of Manono that we pay directly to help the locals....or have we already?
OK but it looked like their little video was trying to show it as AVZ's operation. That definitely says AVZ
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Samus

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Don’t forget AVZ has said that if we get to use the hydro power ( at AVZ’s cost to rebuild ) that we will supply power to the local township.
It really does seem AVZ are trying to fit in and support the locals IMO
Love to know wtf is going on with the HEPP side if things as well 😑
Patience is becoming an understatement all round. Sufferance?
 
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What I'm not getting is: Nigel F must have known about all of this for a while and was patiently letting the DRC govt sort things out behind the scenes without making a stink. He must have had confidence that it was sorted and ML was done deal and Zingen lost (behind the scenes). What has fundamentally changed in the last few weeks? Nothing as far as I can tell. Zingen just being sore losers and throwing mud into the punchbowl by sowing doubt and threatening Paris inquisition? or was it a good excuse for a tactical trading halt to weather a market downturn and a twitter attack (smart move if so)?
 
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I like Kevini’s translation of the YouTube video just posted on HC. Hope he’s on the money… sounds a bit different to above though so a reputable source who speaks French would be good for verification!

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Found this video on youtube, think its the ACAJ meeting thing, I can't really tell whats going on because auto translated subtitles and shizzle but
they're showing a video of kids and women mining cassetirite I assume and the dude walks over and shows a plank on the ground that looks like its got AVZ carved into it.... are they trying to say this is us and what we are doing and stirring everyone up? dodgy as fuck man.
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Kevinl on hot crapper has put out some key points to this video regarding avz. My french is very limited pretty much non existent so I can’t verify what he has transcribed. I like the points he wrote and he is willing to answer questions about the video. Does anyone no if he is on this site? If he is he might be encouraged to post his findings here as well.
 
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Kevinl on hot crapper has put out some key points to this video regarding avz. My french is very limited pretty much non existent so I can’t verify what he has transcribed. I like the points he wrote and he is willing to answer questions about the video. Does anyone no if he is on this site? If he is he might be encouraged to post his findings here as well. I’m
I like Kevini’s translation of the YouTube video just posted on HC. Hope he’s on the money… sounds a bit different to above though so a reputable source who speaks French would be good for verification!

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Hey, you beet me to it. Good find, interesting.
 
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Does anyone know if Nigel is back in DRC after the Mining Forum?
 
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I only quickly watched the ACAJ boss speak at the start and tried to just summarise that in my post, so Im sure Kevini's summary of the AVZ lawyer is pretty accurate if he speaks French, which seems is all good news for us👌
I bloody hope so! 🤞
 
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I like Kevini’s translation of the YouTube video just posted on HC. Hope he’s on the money… sounds a bit different to above though so a reputable source who speaks French would be good for verification!

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Interesting those two articles this morning still don't read so well for avz in light of what Kevini has said :unsure:
Still it seems encouraging.
 
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I like Kevini’s translation of the YouTube video just posted on HC. Hope he’s on the money… sounds a bit different to above though so a reputable source who speaks French would be good for verification!

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Maybe missed something here, but what is the purpose of this forum? And it must have something to do with AVZ if they sent a lawyer in to bat? This seems odd if it isn't to do with Zijin? What other battles are we facing? 😫
 
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I broke my golden rule of NOT TO ENTERTAIN HC TROLLS…. 😢, ohh well I’ll wash them off with a few beers & wait till Friday, I’m expecting the suspension to run a little longer & that’s fine with me 🤷‍♂️.

Burn the Shorts…

How good is this site also 👍 you can edit after more than 3 bloody mins…..
Anyway 🔥 the Shorts….


However it’s AVZ so anything can and DOES happen 👍

Full moon last night so all the trolls will be recharged for Friday and the weekend..

GLTAH
 

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