AVZ Discussion 2022

[Flexi]

Does this delay also affect Simon Cong dispute ?

 

[9cardomaha]

Does this delay also affect Simon Cong dispute ?

No the two cases have different arbitrators, and the dathomir one hasn't even set the proceeding schedule to my knowledge.

The current run of ZJ vs AVZ was that they had prep time 4-5months, then AVZ requested that the hearing by bifurcated (heard in two parts, with the first being jurisdiction). Arbitrator agreed, despite ZJ's rejection.

So ultimatley, after first is heard, Arbitrator decides whether he has jurisdiction to hear the mountain of bullshit that is ZJ's case. Our strategy would be to just get it thrown out and then use the ruling in following legal disputes for preemptive rights.

The current status of AVZ vs Dathomir should be in the document prep stage or drawing close to document request stage, once all that is done, then they should be discussing the schedule, hence the anticipated 2024 resolution on this one.

EDIT: I'm not a lawyer, this is just from what i've seen from past cases that have been fully public and my understanding with the information i have on hand. Take it or leave it as always.

 

[Bin59]

So i guess more gatekeeping needed, if you're on here tommy, you can also fuck off and die, the below was what i sent to myself yesterday and proceeded to share with those that reached out (minus users who either haven't been that active or haven't contributed positively to TSE).

However it seems the news is also out anyway, not that we didn't already suspect T-bag grater wank richardson was camping out here but this timing is also suspect.

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My thoughts on the matter are that the 1 and 3 arbitrator fight we originally had is starting to make sense. A delay at this point only fucking benefits ZJ and is as convenient as the growth on my gooch and was likely caused by all the fucking made in china shit i ingest.

My source tells me its July and its due to 'a conflicting schedule of the arbitrator'.

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[9cardomaha]

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good catch, so ammending my above comment, [Not sure if they would have the same arbitrator, but i think we'd still be pushing for 3 with Dathomir i hope]

 

[Roon]

A couple of matters:

If AFRT is on this site, then you have narrowed the field on which Nic he might be, as only you know who you released it to last night.

Very suspicious that after all this time, the arbitrator has only realised he has a conflict of dates.....brown paper bags intervening?

Oh, sorry, I am a slow typist, just seen all your responses

He had contact with Zijin last time, they gave him quotes. Probably just from their comms again.

 

[9cardomaha]

He had contact with Zijin last time, they gave him quotes. Probably just from their comms again.

That's true, but if he reached out following my intel then its still a concern.

but regardless, there should be cooler heads, we know he's a fuckhead period. Low IQ turd eating cunt.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

One would expect if Zijin is the claimant, they have all their ducks in a row.

Don't go to court to lodge a complaint and say a year later we are not ready yet.

But do we know if the case is delayed, because of Zijin, or simply they forgot to book a room.

Time will tell, if Zijin is delaying it will not work in their favour.

Zijin will try all possible, they don't want to appear in public, that is obvious.
Maybe they are hoping for a change of heart from the DRC in their favour, who knows, maybe they have inside info.

I disagree. Delay is a major part of their strategy, imo.

 

[aanti.dumb]

Hopefully ICC is pushed back by Zijin due to current discussions in DRC around how they are going to agree to fuck off and get their cash or future benefit without heading to ICC and getting turned over...well wishful thinking ; dogs more likely to be trying to see how long does a long game last

My Fear is the Zijin, Simon chong, CCP are delaying everything as much as possible to post DRC election.

1. If Felix is not reelected they may have a better chance of stealing everything and getting away with it.
2. AVZ continue to loose money and are eventually forced to sell at a cents in the dollar price.

ICC being pushed back another couple of months is not a good thing IMO.

 

[Thaz]

I'm sure avz would be fighting tooth and nail against the delay.

You can't just say. Oops. I forgot about the court date and double booked myself, or "I need more time to prepare", when you have had more than 4 months to prepare.

 

[geo_au]

vetlana
@NikkyIntheWorld
·
Mar 24
Im not fussed

$AVZ have been reassured, PR05 #Tshisekedi has decided no to #Zijin_corruption and Yes to
@AvzMinerals

revert back to
@FranckFwamba
tweet, we trust Franck, hez ourharbinger of good news for #AVZ investors
trust
@MariusMihigo
also, he will get us ML + 15%

 

[Winenut]

There's a couple of things which throw this off a bit , so difficult to pinpoint what hes on about....'ruling' is he on about the MMCS V Cominiere ruling because that 'ruling' is due out by the end of this week ..... The Zijin V AVZ case, isn't a ruling its a hearing, the ruling would be around the 20th of July ... his date of the 23rd is also incorrect; our case is scheduled (at this stage ) for the 19th / 20th of April , not the 23rd

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Not defending Tommy Richardhead but did he simply mean scheduled for April "2023" has now been delayed?

 

[Winenut]

Anyway it is totally fucking suss that the ICC hearing is delayed ....particularly the reason given for the delay

Fucking calendar clash my arse

Someone just received a big fat brown paper bag to ask their secretary to add another appointement to the schedule on the same day as the hearing

Does it ever fucking end????

 

[JNRB]

Not defending Tommy Richardhead but did he simply mean scheduled for April "2023" has now been delayed?

Could be.
Mistakes happen. It's not like putting words together, reporting facts correctly, proof-reading, editing, are core competencies of a journalist.

 

[LzrTr8dr]

Is there any way that Zijin are forced to meet the hearing date, or can they just delay it as much as they want without consequence?

 

[Winenut]

Could be.
Mistakes happen. It's not like putting words together, reporting facts correctly, proof-reading, editing, are core competencies of a journalist.

Gave the dickhead a small amount of wiggle room as it looks like a tweet on the bird

A twat tweet I guess you could say...

 

[ptlas]

Could be.
Mistakes happen. It's not like putting words together, reporting facts correctly, proof-reading, editing, are core competencies of a journalist.

Inaccurate info' just makes the enemy work a little harder.
I'm sure we all have an ex who changes 'facts' just a little and confuses the whole discussion which becomes about the inaccuracy.

 

[Winenut]

Is there any way that Zijin are forced to meet the hearing date, or can they just delay it as much as they want without consequence?

9card indicated the reason for the delay was 'a conflicting schedule of the arbitrator'

Zijin aren't directly delaying the hearing themselves.....the arbitrator is apparently double booked

Of course Z may have supplied the brown paper bag that the arbitrator found his clashing appointment in.....

So fucking over this shit

 

[Roon]

vetlana
@NikkyIntheWorld
·
Mar 24
Im not fussed

$AVZ have been reassured, PR05 #Tshisekedi has decided no to #Zijin_corruption and Yes to
@AvzMinerals

revert back to
@FranckFwamba
tweet, we trust Franck, hez ourharbinger of good news for #AVZ investors
trust
@MariusMihigo
also, he will get us ML + 15%

Is it just me who finds Svetlana's tweets on the bird really annoying? Heart in the right place, and I applaud the effort to post a lot of news, however I've rarely seen a person more affected by cognitive biases. Always so slanted, to the point where it takes away from any of the material presented.

Like on the above, it's absolutely a false connection being drawn and presented as fact. The original tweet from Franck simply stated that PR05"s people had visited Manono and that the local community and civil society leaders had said they want AVZ not Zijin. Great! Already is a positive statement, no need to embellish. However she has then somehow suggested that this actually means that the President has said no to Zijin and Yes to Avz. What a load of hogwash.

How about applying a little bit of rigor, critical thinking, or even just giving a careful reading to the source material before raising people's hopes Svetlana?

 

[wombat74]

Apparently the ICC case has nothing to do with the awarding of the ML . It's 15% we never had . Plan B Nigel .

 

[wombat74]

Is it just me who finds Svetlana's tweets on the bird really annoying? Heart in the right place, and I applaud the effort to post a lot of news, however I've rarely seen a person more affected by cognitive biases. Always so slanted, to the point where it takes away from any of the material presented.

Like on the above, it's absolutely a false connection being drawn and presented as fact. The original tweet from Franck simply stated that PR05"s people had visited Manono and that the local community and civil society leaders had said they want AVZ not Zijin. Great! Already is a positive statement, no need to embellish. However she has then somehow suggested that this actually means that the President has said no to Zijin and Yes to Avz. What a load of hogwash.

How about applying a little bit of rigor, critical thinking, or even just giving a careful reading to the source material before raising people's hopes Svetlana?

She lives in a fantasy world . Mind you sometimes I think Nigel does too .