AVZ Discussion 2022

[DiscoDanNZ]

I just don’t get it to be honest.
He on 500k a year at AVZ. Currently has 50m shares and seems 100% confident AVZ will get through current issues. So even being an absolute pessimist he would be thinking $1 a share is easily achievable with AVZ( but we all know it could be multiples of that ). So that’s easily 50-60m minimum of personal wealth yet he ok with creating this fracas for under $1m value of AJN shares?
Or maybe he not so sure on AVZ’ prospects….?
If AJN get the northern section and their SP rockets and then he sells I’ll be really pissed off, not like we can take some of our AVZ money and buy shares in other companies….

It’s like having the ex girlfriends number in your phone and telling your Mrs it means nothing….

That would definitely trigger a lawsuit... How can you say something isn't a conflict of interest if there is an entirely possible scenario that could eventuate like that?

Riddle me that Nigel

 

[Rediah]

All the sins of Jerusalem that NF is carrying on his shoulders will be washed away once he brings the ML. And for everyone's sake he gets it before the end of this suspension deadline.

If the Friday evening grins at AVZ's HQ are to be taken into account, we might be close this time...

 

[Mickyb64]

I just don’t get it to be honest.
He on 500k a year at AVZ. Currently has 50m shares and seems 100% confident AVZ will get through current issues. So even being an absolute pessimist he would be thinking $1 a share is easily achievable with AVZ( but we all know it could be multiples of that ). So that’s easily 50-60m minimum of personal wealth yet he ok with creating this fracas for under $1m value of AJN shares?
Or maybe he not so sure on AVZ’ prospects….?
If AJN get the northern section and their SP rockets and then he sells I’ll be really pissed off, not like we can take some of our AVZ money and buy shares in other companies….

It’s like having the ex girlfriends number in your phone and telling your Mrs it means nothing….

You're spot on with this Doc, to me it's a no brainer. He will make shit loads more with AVZ. There's obviously a reason why he thinks AJN is worth retaining while damaging his reputation and the prospects of AVZ. His attitude at the AGM towards this issue gave me genuine cause for concern.

 

[CHB]

Absolutely he would have and I'm sure the lawyer told him legally there is no conflict but for me its about perception.

Regardless of what date he bought the shares and when he quit the BoD at AJN (I think the timing of that makes it look worse for him too) I/we perceive it as a conflict of interest. The fact that we are discussing it so much shows that it is having a negative effect on shareholder sentiment which makes it a conflict of interest to shareholders.

Would you put up with this from your local MP? I don't think so and at the moment Nigel needs to be more of a politician than a geologist/speccy gold investor in cahoots with that slimy fuck Klaus.

Agree that its a perceived conflict.

It's been raised with him and he's given his answer. I've moved on. Everyone is free to keep talking about it of course but not sure it's fruitful.

I just want that bloody ML

 

[TDITD]

Seriously how old are you the rubbish you post is embarrassing

Hi Ashlee,

I don't know if you were unlucky enough to see my 'joke' posts about my balls being in a drawer and Nigel coming along every now and again just as they were looking like getting smashed and he saves them, giving them a nice shave and moisturising then he disappears but my balls are still in the drawer.

This was my juvenile attempt at humour within the metaphor for my experience over the years as a long-term AVZ investor.
Wombat was simply carrying on my metaphor.

 

[TDITD]

That was a piss-poor response from NF to that question at the AGM. He basically said that there was no conflict of interest because AJN used to be into gold, even though they are now in competition with us. WTF? Conflict of interest is the simplest of concepts, and arrangements to manage such conflicts exist within companies and governments across the globe.
For reference - AVZ Code of Conduct p2

”Potential for conflict of interest arises when it is likely that an Employee could be influenced, or it could be perceived that such Employee is influenced by a personal interest when carrying out their duties. Conflicts of interest that lead to biased decision making may constitute corrupt conduct.

It can be easily fixed.

bang on here, have you or anyone emailed this to BOD ?

I may do so next week as this is a point that like quite a few others it seems we are not satisfied with.

 

[wombat74]

I just don’t get it to be honest.
He on 500k a year at AVZ. Currently has 50m shares and seems 100% confident AVZ will get through current issues. So even being an absolute pessimist he would be thinking $1 a share is easily achievable with AVZ( but we all know it could be multiples of that ). So that’s easily 50-60m minimum of personal wealth yet he ok with creating this fracas for under $1m value of AJN shares?
Or maybe he not so sure on AVZ’ prospects….?
If AJN get the northern section and their SP rockets and then he sells I’ll be really pissed off, not like we can take some of our AVZ money and buy shares in other companies….

It’s like having the ex girlfriends number in your phone and telling your Mrs it means nothing….

"Or maybe he not so sure on AVZ’ prospects….?"

Nigel said we will be reviewing spending/costs in 3 months if things aren't going our way . Said he has not ordered parts/long lead items to build the mine .

I think that answers your question .

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

bang on here, have you or anyone emailed this to BOD ?

I may do so next week as this is a point that like quite a few others it seems we are not satisfied with.

I have not raised this with the BOD. I would think the matter would be best adressed to the Chairman.

 

[ThisTimeWin]

Here is how I see it.

Nigel has stated that TH won't lift until we get ML.

There is no guarantee we will - Nigel stated that if ML not issued in 3 months will review so he obviously has doubts at some level.

So he is consigning us all to a game of double or quits - a binary outcome. We are locked out of trading now based on all the info we have and the company could detail in market announcement (stuff he mention in roadshows) and let us trade now and take our chances or sell.

If we traded now then yeah maybe 40 cents - maybe more or less however we could each make our calls and live with those decisions.

Nigel to me is acting like a parent trying to control outcomes for his children.

As mentioned - he is consigning us to huge wins if ML comes off or big losses if we don't get it.

Question? Why are we being dictated those terms?

 

[Charbella]

I have not raised this with the BOD. I would think the matter would be best adressed to the Chairman.

Is this going to help us getting our ML sooner? If not can we just park this issue for now. We need Nigel’s heart and mind 100% on secure our license , we don’t need to create any further distractions.

 

[wombat74]

Here is how I see it.

Nigel has stated that TH won't lift until we get ML.

There is no guarantee we will - Nigel stated that if ML not issued in 3 months will review so he obviously has doubts at some level.

So he is consigning us all to a game of double or quits - a binary outcome. We are locked out of trading now based on all the info we have and the company could detail in market announcement (stuff he mention in roadshows) and let us trade now and take our chances or sell.

If we traded now then yeah maybe 40 cents - maybe more or less however we could each make our calls and live with those decisions.

Nigel to me is acting like a parent trying to control outcomes for his children.

As mentioned - he is consigning us to huge wins if ML comes off or big losses if we don't get it.

Question? Why are we being dictated those terms?

There will be a plan B . Obviously Nigel's not going to talk about at the AGM. He has to display an iron will . Our enemies would have been watching . At some point we will trade again regardless imo . I don't think SH will allow the company to spend all our money fighting this until we are extinct while they get paid their fat salaries and expenses. While share holders cant access their money . It won't happen . There would be anarchy . Nigel definitely must have a plan B . The all or nothing approach is BS , and it's not his choice to make . IMO

 

[Spikerama]

 

[TDITD]

Is this going to help us getting our ML sooner? If not can we just park this issue for now. We need Nigel’s heart and mind 100% on secure our license , we don’t need to create any further distractions.

Agreed Charbella
I'll park it. They should be focussing on one thing only.
Deboss did say they were wearing big grins in the AVZ office on friday (on the bird)
Wouldn't that be nice for once putting two plus two together and getting four

 

[GuruDukun]

Do we really need to post this kind of shit? I mean really?

We know the detractors are all over social media like a rash and have already made the claim that apparently we hate the Congolese. Why are we fueling them with more ammo to use against us?

Dumbest thing on earth.

Oh my god, this!

 

[LimitedEdition63]

Agreed Charbella
I'll park it. They should be focussing on one thing only.
Deboss did say they were wearing big grins in the AVZ office on friday (on the bird)
Wouldn't that be nice for once putting two plus two together and getting four

Good to hear this is being parked. Fact is there is no conflict of interest, merely a perceived one. I have full faith in Nige. I would have thought we would be supporting Management and encouraging them to keep their focus on the prize not creating yet another issue ourselves over something that is only a perception of some. Lets get things back on track, back our Management and let them concentrate on bringing on the licence to Exploit (Mine). Noge's anwer was actually straight up with no beating around the bush at the AGM. Isnt that what we want?? Straight up ???

 

[Hemicuda]

Good to hear this is being parked. Fact is there is no conflict of interest, merely a perceived one. I have full faith in Nige. I would have thought we would be supporting Management and encouraging them to keep their focus on the prize not creating yet another issue ourselves over something that is only a perception of some. Lets get things back on track, back our Management and let them concentrate on bringing on the licence to Exploit (Mine). Noge's anwer was actually straight up with no beating around the bush at the AGM. Isnt that what we want?? Straight up ???

back on track 7 month mark of suspension, and this is one of many issues facing us. All we have been given is the, she will be right, we got this reply. FFS, i hope this is the case, but right now, i just feel like i have been bullshitted to as a shareholder.

 

[whales]

back on track 7 month mark of suspension, and this is one of many issues facing us. All we have been given is the, she will be right, we got this reply. FFS, i hope this is the case, but right now, i just feel like i have been bullshitted to as a shareholder.

Attended Melbourne Presentation and online AGM
FT may have been fed bullshit but now is fully aware of the situation surrounding CAMI./ Zijin and MoF.

It is now how he deals with it .
Either Presidential decree or indirectly through Minister of Mines that Cami operates under .The DG of Cami is one tough nut to crack but DRC cannot afford to be seen as corrupt if they truly want a battery industry .

 

[Hemicuda]

Attended Melbourne Presentation and online AGM
FT may have been fed bullshit but now is fully aware of the situation surrounding CAMI./ Zijin and MoF.

It is now how he deals with it .
Either Presidential decree or indirectly through Minister of Mines that Cami operates under .The DG of Cami is one tough nut to crack but DRC cannot afford to be seen as corrupt if they truly want a battery industry .

yes was online and missed BNE due work,

 

[Winenut]

Is this going to help us getting our ML sooner? If not can we just park this issue for now. We need Nigel’s heart and mind 100% on secure our license , we don’t need to create any further distractions.

100% what I was going to say

We don't need the BoD divided or distracted by this issue at this point in time

In my personal view there is absolutely a conflict of interest

But it's not a matter to be dealt with right now

What needs to be dealt with right now is 100% full and commited focus on securing the ML.....that is the only thing that will protect SH's wealth and provide the avenue back to trading

 

[Xerof]

Feeling a bit more confident about the next few weeks - no particular reason

Instead of 'Beautiful Day', they should have played this at the AGM