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Lol, not arrogant, just cautious and probably worn out by the false dawns so far.

A couple of posters seem prepared to put their credibility on the line this week, so I’m hoping like hell they remain credible !!

I’m also not in love with der geist/oil gas whatever he wants to call himself, but I do respect his research.

No one has contested his assertion that he helped write the last shareholder update for AVZ. Is that for real?

You guys/gals with ‘links’ should be able to get that assertion validated for this audience
Yeh Xerof, I’m with you mate. Seems a few here (one in particular) are putting shit on Der Geist and it also seems to me that Der Geist has done more research and provided more information (including support) towards AVZ then a few of those who are shitting on him, and again, one in particular who seems to have speculation to spread but no actual facts!! In other news, Blinkin who just visited the DRC isn’t happy about Kabund being arrested and in the east of the country 8 people have been killed during the escape of 800 prisoners with the help of the militia. I’ve had rest from posting info here because of all that’s going on, and I prefer not to post the negatives and to just trust in what Nigel has said and what he is doing, but when you read some of the speculation here you end up having to say something. I did like Winenut’s post last week though, was a good vent and I wanted to tell him if he’s ever in Lake Macquarie NSW, I’ll take him out to the cow paddocks at Martinsville and we’ll get a sack full of blue moonies and goldtops and make ourselves a brew
 
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QUESTION: (Via interpreter) I have two questions. I would like to talk about corruptions – solution – just very quickly, two questions.

The fight against corruption, no U.S. companies possible in the DRC as long as there is corruption. That’s what the Ambassador Hammer told us a few months ago. During your visit, you also talked about business in the DRC, American companies. Can they come? Are you satisfied with the work by the DRC?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: (Via interpreter) I think that there’s a greater awareness now that corruption is a cancer that attacks democracy, that attacks the Congolese people, and that also attacks the possibility of foreign investments. We’ve seen positive approaches by the government. I mentioned them with my – your colleagues. But there’s still some work to be done, especially about transparency from the government, contracting, et cetera.

But I think that there’s an approach underway, there’s a direct connection between this approach and the possibility for investments. For example, in the mineral sector, we have now established a partnership for mining for minerals, and we need to exploit minerals but not human beings. And what’s important in this partnership is namely possibly to have investments. What we are asking for is that this exploitation take place according to real values – namely, respect for the workers, respect for the environment, respect for transparency.

The DRC, I think, will take part in this partnership, and this is quite promising for the future. So if there’s no corruption, U.S. companies will come, yes.
 
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Lol, not arrogant, just cautious and probably worn out by the false dawns so far.

A couple of posters seem prepared to put their credibility on the line this week, so I’m hoping like hell they remain credible !!

I’m also not in love with der geist/oil gas whatever he wants to call himself, but I do respect his research.

No one has contested his assertion that he helped write the last shareholder update for AVZ. Is that for real?

You guys/gals with ‘links’ should be able to get that assertion validated for this audience

I think you misread my insinuation. I was getting at that brand new account talking just like der Geist/li Tao/oil & gas, it’s a possibility of yet ANOTHER fake account by them.

When you look at it objectively it/she/he/them/theirs/ze is absolutely fucking nuts, who has at least three accounts to spend all day on social media slamming a company, with accusations - nobody will ever be able to convince me that behaviour isn’t mental illness.

Then all accounts went quiet suddenly at the height of their BS mudslinging. Now all of a sudden one comes back, now the other and they are both strongly on AVZ side, hmmmm. At least their li Tao/lithium analysis character seems dead (probably hence a new one lol). I certainly don’t forget their bs actions.

Surely you agree that multiple personality or at least multiple social-media personality individual has an arrogance to their conversing, even patronising at times. Or at least that’s certainly what I’ve taken from looking at their multiple personalities interactions.

An then of course yea there is that assertion that they helped write the last shareholder update, delusions of grandeur, arrogance. Or conversely if they did then it’s an AVZ insider ? PH (that’s a plot twist) , but then if they did then their research skills go down a notch in my book as it’s virtually inside information we are not privy to.

Either way I certainly don’t have much time for their BS behaviour/bi-polar attitude, an definitely don’t give them much credibility (surely that’s shot), although I will say anything new they post I will look at as I think we all should after all it’s our investments on the line here.

Yea didn’t mean for that to be this long, I agree I think we are all a little jaded from the false dawns though an do hope we are at the light at the end of the tunnel.(y)(y)
 
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Yeh Xerof, I’m with you mate. Seems a few here (one in particular) are putting shit on Der Geist and it also seems to me that Der Geist has done more research and provided more information (including support) towards AVZ then a few of those who are shitting on him, and again, one in particular who seems to have speculation to spread but no actual facts!! In other news, Blinkin who just visited the DRC isn’t happy about Kabund being arrested and in the east of the country 8 people have been killed during the escape of 800 prisoners with the help of the militia. I’ve had rest from posting info here because of all that’s going on, and I prefer not to post the negatives and to just trust in what Nigel has said and what he is doing, but when you read some of the speculation here you end up having to say something. I did like Winenut’s post last week though, was a good vent and I wanted to tell him if he’s ever in Lake Macquarie NSW, I’ll take him out to the cow paddocks at Martinsville and we’ll get a sack full of blue moonies and goldtops and make ourselves a brew
Maybe I’m missing something ? Who is this particular person shitting on Der Geist ? To my eyes nobody here really talks about him it’s all about AVZ and news relating to DRC mining scene….granted I do skim as miss some days.
What’s the speculation ? Juicy info ?
I’ve just wrote what I think on him and his many aliases, in short mental illness. Then again if he did help with the AVZ letter is he an employee, he would certainly be far closer to the action than us. Certainly not a messiah. Give me this forum any day over those insane characters.
 
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CXO gone back to its ATH, took it 2-3 months, had AVZ was active i am sure we would have touched $2 and above

CXO is nearing production so it's hard to tell.

If we had ML, BFS and FID then a good chance
 
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QUESTION: (Via interpreter) I have two questions. I would like to talk about corruptions – solution – just very quickly, two questions.

The fight against corruption, no U.S. companies possible in the DRC as long as there is corruption. That’s what the Ambassador Hammer told us a few months ago. During your visit, you also talked about business in the DRC, American companies. Can they come? Are you satisfied with the work by the DRC?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: (Via interpreter) I think that there’s a greater awareness now that corruption is a cancer that attacks democracy, that attacks the Congolese people, and that also attacks the possibility of foreign investments. We’ve seen positive approaches by the government. I mentioned them with my – your colleagues. But there’s still some work to be done, especially about transparency from the government, contracting, et cetera.

But I think that there’s an approach underway, there’s a direct connection between this approach and the possibility for investments. For example, in the mineral sector, we have now established a partnership for mining for minerals, and we need to exploit minerals but not human beings. And what’s important in this partnership is namely possibly to have investments. What we are asking for is that this exploitation take place according to real values – namely, respect for the workers, respect for the environment, respect for transparency.

The DRC, I think, will take part in this partnership, and this is quite promising for the future. So if there’s no corruption, U.S. companies will come, yes.

*To add, as thing's Heat up in the DRC re:- East v West atm,

China did not wait for the improvement of the business climate to invest in the DRC

Chinese investors settled in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in 2008 without worrying about the socio-economic situation in the country or without waiting for reforms or the improvement of the business climate.

Without ignoring the difficulties, Chinese companies are making a great contribution to the economic and social development of the DRC.

According to a document consulted, the taxes paid in 2021 by Chinese companies contributed 16% to the state's budget revenues, without including royalties or dividends in materials or finance.

The Sino-Congolese partnership, both long-standing and woven by fraternal ties, has contributed significantly to the industrialization of the country.

A dream that dates back to the independence of the DR Congo, to enhance its subsoil, create wealth, and improve the living conditions of its population.

In 2006, while the Congolese government lacked the financial means to rebuild the country, the mining resources were not enough for it.

The DRC has had difficulty finding funding from its other partners.

Thus, the group of Chinese companies responded positively to the call of the DRC by investing their own financial means without laying down many conditions and without hesitation beforehand.

Where does the idea of formulating the Chinese Contract come from, that is to say, to develop the Congolese subsoil by investing significant means in the mines, to have an income in order to reinvest in the construction of infrastructures and contribute to the economic growth of the country (DRC).

With Chinese investments, the DRC now has not only more and more mines, but also processing chains.

Chinese companies, when they invest in the mines, they also set up on-site mineral processing and production chains, such is the case of the companies SOMIDEZ, SICOMINES, COMIKAL, COMILU, etc.

China not only brings capital, but also contributes to the development of the DRC industry by establishing modern industrial companies.

With this rise, there are more added values and more local labor, with skilled workers.

It is an effective contribution to industrialization, a long-term and sustainable contribution to the development of the DRC.

Other investors are slow to come, but China is still present

The President of the Republic, Félix -Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo participated in various forums in the West as in the East, he received several statesmen, from where he so much praised the potential of the country, in order to attract investors...

Several promises remain unfulfilled until now and different conditions have been given to him.

While other investors are slow to settle in the DRC, China is still present and contributes significantly to the development of the country.

Out of his concern to develop the country, President Tshisekedi Felix Tshisekedi wanted to organize last month at the city of the African Union, a meeting to assess the state of the implementation of reforms and ministerial assignments in business climate, in order to attract investors to the country.

Should we wait for investors without insurance or evolve with China, which has always shown the will to support the DRC in its reconstruction? The Head of State is called upon to lean towards China and continue this friendly cooperation which is obviously intended to be win-win.

As proof, the Chinese contribution remains visible in several achievements across the country, in particular the Busanga hydroelectric dam with Chinese capital of around 656 million USD, the first major energy infrastructure project in the Greater Katanga region in the DRC for more than 60 years old.

The land port of Kasumbalesa is on the list, a Chinese capital project of around 230 million USD which has promoted the import and export trade of the DRC.

It is also necessary to include the construction of a cultural center in Kinshasa, a gift from China to the DRC, which would henceforth be the largest building in Central Africa, in the cultural sphere, we also mention the construction of the water treatment plant with a capacity of 220,000 m3 at Lukunga in the city of Kinshasa, in the order of 100 million USD, entirely financed by the Chinese government at the rate of 4.5%.

Still with the infrastructure, the Sino-Congolese friendship hospital in N'Djili, a donation from the Chinese government in Kinshasa in the amount of $6 million for a capacity of 150 beds, the 50th anniversary hospital, the reference general in Lubumbashi, the government hall, the government hall, the people's palace, the martyr stadium, the Kalemie stadium, the Goma stadium, the Zongo II hydraulic power station.

It continues with the triumphal boulevard, Sendwe and Lumumba which connects the city center to N'djili airport, the June 30 boulevard which connects Kitambo store to the central station, the tourism avenue which connects Kitambo Store to pumping, Kinsuka Bridge, Kasa-vubu Avenue, By-passe Avenue in Kinshasa; the Musonoi-Kapata-Kolwezi road, the boulevard of Butembo, the rehabilitation of the Boma-Matadi road as much Chinese investment to be accounted for.

it should be realized that since 2008 – the year the Sino-Congolese contract was signed – the whole of the European Union and the whole of North America have not built as much infrastructure as the Chinese over the past 15 years : urban roads, inter-provincial roads, airport facilities, hydroelectric power stations, water treatment plants, etc.

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Markets up everywhere, lowering inflation, Global X lithium ETF up, Lithium companies all heading up, lithium producers all printing money and forecasting more profits in future quarters and global lithium demand increasing......Could be a nice time to open up Nigel, with a few positive announcements we could out perform our peers.
 
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Maybe I’m missing something ? Who is this particular person shitting on Der Geist ? To my eyes nobody here really talks about him it’s all about AVZ and news relating to DRC mining scene….granted I do skim as miss some days.
What’s the speculation ? Juicy info ?
I’ve just wrote what I think on him and his many aliases, in short mental illness. Then again if he did help with the AVZ letter is he an employee, he would certainly be far closer to the action than us. Certainly not a messiah. Give me this forum any day over those insane characters.
Not referring to you mate, but you’ll have to go back through the threads yourself like I have to do. You only need to go back a few pages. The biggest blow to us in my view wasn’t the attempted grab at the 15% by Zigin (which also in my view will be sorted), the biggest blow was boatman’s report and all the coverage it got spreading disinformation from Reuters, Bloomberg, the Financial Review etc and Der Geist did more to expose that lie than anyone, including our lawyers. I’m aware of the IGF report and Momentum Attorneys good work etc, but Der Geist made a detailed contribution exposing boatman’s and the Financial Review’s collaboration in the spreading of disinformation
 
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Not referring to you mate, but you’ll have to go back through the threads yourself like the rest of us do. You only need to go back a few pages. The biggest blow to us in my view wasn’t the attempted grab at the 15% by Zigin (which also in my view will be sorted), the biggest blow was boatman’s report and all the coverage it got spreading disinformation from Reuters, Bloomberg, the Financial Review etc and Der Geist did more to expose that lie than anyone, including our lawyers. I’m aware of the IGF report and Momentum Attorneys good work etc, but Der Geist made a great detailed contribution
I'm not sure what to make of him personally, the information he kept pushing before the suspension was readily available from articles over the months prior. Nigel seemed to take the approach of dismissing it as rubbish even though it was an obvious concern and (hopefully) dealing with it quietly in the background. The culmination of geists tweeting the zigin news report and the boatman report made a negative impact at a time when everything was looking very promising.
With the suspension due to tenement issues the icing in the cake.
He did seem to switch from a very critical view of AVZ to a pro AVZ stance deleting his Twitter account in between (one assumes in a bit of panic that the situation became much bigger and more serious than he might have expected)
The situation obviously had to be dealt with at some point, just a shame it wasn't squashed behind the scenes and I can see why some seem to attribute some blame due to his incessant squealing.
On the other hand maybe it's given management a kick up the ass as there isn't much sign of them having dealt with any of the issues prior with any urgency, not on the public face of it anyway.
 
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CXO is nearing production so it's hard to tell.

If we had ML, BFS and FID then a good chance
Even though I have small investment in CXO but 😇


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Not referring to you mate, but you’ll have to go back through the threads yourself like the rest of us do. You only need to go back a few pages. The biggest blow to us in my view wasn’t the attempted grab at the 15% by Zigin (which also in my view will be sorted), the biggest blow was boatman’s report and all the coverage it got spreading disinformation from Reuters, Bloomberg, the Financial Review etc and Der Geist did more to expose that lie than anyone, including our lawyers. I’m aware of the IGF report and Momentum Attorneys good work etc, but Der Geist made a great detailed contribution
phew 😅 🤣
Ahh must have missed it, tbh not too fussed the guy doesn't bother me enough to have a look back through the pages an see what I missed.

Well if those cretins at Zijin had just done the right thing like CATL and not tried the illegal approach, we wouldn't be here but yes I get what your saying here. Boatman must have some contacts because that bad news spread like wildfire!!

The boatman report was bordering on criminal in my eyes full of theories and 'in my views' honestly how the fuck can any journalist give that tripe coverage, yet like you say many did, many Aussie rags too very disappointing stuff. It was obviously in tandem with the shorting that was increasing as well at the time and the timing of the drop (although miscalculated) was done to cause maximum damage, in my eyes what happened is straight up unethical....don't really like shorting but hey I can see a need for it, but that was just straight BS to scare the public.

Although look how the shorting 'activists' are going over at LKE, we should fair the same. They have to genuinely prove their tech can be implemented at scale, so the shorters at least have a thread to pull on there, with us pending a positive outcome we should be raging with shorts covering too sending us even higher (fingers crossed).

I agree Der Geist did an excellent dismantling of boatmans 'report'. But its not as if he uncovered anything new, its everything we on social media were all whinging about, what he did do though was very professionally use known information to destroy boatmans fallacies and by god were they unsound assumptions. Unfortunately in my view it didn't get any coverage to the mums and dads who need to read it, those who would have read the Aussie rags an shit themselves, an then pretty much everyone else that did read it would have already done their research and known it was all a pile of steaming excrement.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here mate, hope its not coming over like that. I do agree they made a good contribution recently, just maybe my opinion that Der Geist have also done alot of damage too before that, an the whole three different characters thing is a bit coo coo.
 
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Ahh must have missed it, tbh not too fussed the guy doesn't bother me enough to have a look back through the pages an see what I missed.

Well if those cretins at Zijin had just done the right thing like CATL and not tried the illegal approach, we wouldn't be here but yes I get what your saying here. Boatman must have some contacts because that bad news spread like wildfire!!

The boatman report was bordering on criminal in my eyes full of theories and 'in my views' honestly how the fuck can any journalist give that tripe coverage, yet like you say many did, many Aussie rags too very disappointing stuff. It was obviously in tandem with the shorting that was increasing as well at the time and the timing of the drop (although miscalculated) was done to cause maximum damage, in my eyes what happened is straight up unethical....don't really like shorting but hey I can see a need for it, but that was just straight BS to scare the public.

Although look how the shorting 'activists' are going over at LKE, we should fair the same. They have to genuinely prove their tech can be implemented at scale, so the shorters at least have a thread to pull on there, with us pending a positive outcome we should be raging with shorts covering too sending us even higher (fingers crossed).

I agree Der Geist did an excellent dismantling of boatmans 'report'. But its not as if he uncovered anything new, its everything we on social media were all whinging about, what he did do though was very professionally use known information to destroy boatmans fallacies and by god were they unsound assumptions. Unfortunately in my view it didn't get any coverage to the mums and dads who need to read it, those who would have read the Aussie rags an shit themselves, an then pretty much everyone else that did read it would have already done their research and known it was all a pile of steaming excrement.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here mate, hope its not coming over like that. I do agree they made a good contribution recently, just maybe my opinion that Der Geist have also done alot of damage too before that, an the whole three different characters thing is a bit coo coo.
Thanks TDITD, I appreciate your reply as well as the info you post!
 
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TDITD I’m not familiar with what is on twitter (other than what Jag posts here, which I appreciate) because this site is enough to keep me busy without being on other platforms so I don’t know what Der Geist has done there. What I do know is that I have always held management’s of companies I own accountable in a pretty severe way (A2M’s management’s being just one of a few disgusting examples - fortunately I fully sold out of them at around $12-$14 and was lucky because I started buying them at $1. I watched them go from $20 to under $5 because of the secrets they’re management kept). So I don’t blame Der Geist if what he did was to seek the truth and was scathing in his attempts. I was suspicious of Nigel at one point, but came to my own understanding of why he has managed things the way he has. At Sydney he speculated to me that hypothetically if a CR was to occur…. which I knew was on the cards because I always look at companies financials, and he told me privately that the Chinese were trying to screw us, which turns out to be true. I have formed my opinion that he is trustworthy but I (like Der Geist) am scathing of companies that keep secrets from shareholders and I learned at Sydney that I had invested more of my own personal finances into the company than Nigel had, and I am happy he is steering the ship
 
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TDITD I’m not familiar with what is on twitter (other than what Jag posts here, which I appreciate) because this site is enough to keep me busy without being on other platforms so I don’t know what Der Geist has done there. What I do know is that I have always held management’s of companies I own accountable in a pretty severe way (A2M’s management’s being just one of a few disgusting examples - fortunately I fully sold out of them at around $12-$14 and was lucky because I started buying them at $1. I watched them go from $20 to under $5 because of the secrets they’re management kept). So I don’t blame Der Geist if what he did was to seek the truth and was scathing in his attempts. I was suspicious of Nigel at one point, but came to my own understanding of why he has managed things the way he has. At Sydney he speculated about if a CR was to occur, which I knew was on the cards because I always look at companies financials, and he told me personally and privately that the Chinese were trying to screw us, which turns out to be true. I have formed my opinion that he is trustworthy but I (like Der Geist) am scathing of companies that keep secrets from shareholders and I learned at Sydney that I had invested more of my own personal finances into the company than Nigel had, and I am happy he is steering the ship
Twitter is a bit of a mire but a handy platform in how you can connect globally to others especially good for us to get in touch with those journalists and others in the DRC who we can alert to what's going down, an call out those who support the criminals.

That made me laugh you being suspicious of Nigel, I think many of us have been at one point, an I suppose for good reason too as we are kept in the dark a lot. I too had come to my own understandings which are also around the Chinese angle of trying to screw us (although that now is abundantly clear), I was angry at the time when we raised at 4.5cents and that was the height of my suspicion, but something told me to stop and think, so I have retrospectively looked at this in a different light, and feel this will/has worked against the Chinese as they played their hand too early/poorly, so Nigel and board knew what to expect moving forward and have prepared accordingly. I'm finding it pays to almost analyse Nige and what's said and not said in announcements and interviews/meetings, if only I had more braincells 😃

I agree its very important to always have your eyes on the company, financials and as much as possible what's happening behind the scenes and also around them. After all its our $$ we are trusting them with, incidentally the whole Nigel having not much of his own $ invested has always been a weak point for me, but after seeing them in person I came to the conclusion they have the drive to take this all the way, they want to create something big like BHP/FMG.

Do you mind elaborating on what it was that caused you to sell at the time you did in A2M (congrats btw). I've only been investing since late 2016 not long and always looking to learn mate.
 
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Twitter is a bit of a mire but a handy platform in how you can connect globally to others especially good for us to get in touch with those journalists and others in the DRC who we can alert to what's going down, an call out those who support the criminals.

That made me laugh you being suspicious of Nigel, I think many of us have been at one point, an I suppose for good reason too as we are kept in the dark a lot. I too had come to my own understandings which are also around the Chinese angle of trying to screw us (although that now is abundantly clear), I was angry at the time when we raised at 4.5cents and that was the height of my suspicion, but something told me to stop and think, so I have retrospectively looked at this in a different light, and feel this will/has worked against the Chinese as they played their hand too early/poorly, so Nigel and board knew what to expect moving forward and have prepared accordingly. I'm finding it pays to almost analyse Nige and what's said and not said in announcements and interviews/meetings, if only I had more braincells 😃

I agree its very important to always have your eyes on the company, financials and as much as possible what's happening behind the scenes and also around them. After all its our $$ we are trusting them with, incidentally the whole Nigel having not much of his own $ invested has always been a weak point for me, but after seeing them in person I came to the conclusion they have the drive to take this all the way, they want to create something big like BHP/FMG.

Do you mind elaborating on what it was that caused you to sell at the time you did in A2M (congrats btw). I've only been investing since late 2016 not long and always looking to learn mate.
Well since you asked, I have to dob in a friend of mine who I chat with about companies and is a great contributor here. I refer to ‘Frank’. I was very positive on A2M for years and followed and supported them closely, but I started noticing the formula was staying on shelves and manufacturing dates were starting to expire at some local Woolies, Coles and Chemist Wharehouse’s. I checked my own suburb and the next. No news from the A2M that sales were dropping and during a discussion with Frank, he suggested I go several suburbs and shopping centres further a field and low and behold the product wasn’t selling. That’s an example of the kind of effort you put into researching companies! No word from management regarding lower sales and revised guidance, meanwhile exec’s selling shares and saying it was for tax reasons and the AGM saying all is ok until after the exec’s got there bonuses and then two weeks later the bad news starts trickling out of the company. Thanks again for your info TDITD. We better get back onto AVZ eh (although I reckon BUB baby formula is worth a look 😉)
 
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Well since you asked, I have to dob in a friend of mine who I chat with about companies and is a great contributor here. I refer to ‘Frank’. I was very positive on A2M for years and followed and supported them closely, but I started noticing the formula was staying on shelves and manufacturing dates were starting to expire at some local Woolies, Coles and Chemist Wharehouse’s. I checked my own suburb and the next. No news from the A2M that sales were dropping and during a discussion with Frank, he suggested I go several suburbs and shopping centres further a field and low and behold the product wasn’t selling. That’s an example of the kind of effort you put into researching companies! No word from management regarding lower sales and revised guidance, meanwhile exec’s selling shares and saying it was for tax reasons and the AGM saying all is ok until after the exec’s got there bonuses and then two weeks later the bad news starts trickling out of the company. Thanks again for your info TDITD. We better get back onto AVZ eh (although I reckon BUB baby formula is worth a look 😉)
Thanks mate appreciated (y)
 
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