AVZ Discussion 2022

[Remark]

Some people are never happy. AVZ releases too little info regarding the upcoming court cases & they are criticised by all and sundry (admittedly they have been rather slack with keeping SH's informed).

Now they release a statement full of information regarding the court cases & problems faced by the company and they're accused of releasing to much information?

"multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand"

It's not that complicated.

 

[BRICK]

Mate It's clear to me now, that there is no such thing. BUt I'll take the noms regardless.

Thanks!

Add that question to the list for the AGM:

"do you require an expereinced team member to assist in your public relations and media managment?"

Only problem is, its probably only going to be funded for about another 6 month

 

[Spikerama]

Some people are never happy. AVZ releases too little info regarding the upcoming court cases & they are criticised by all and sundry (admittedly they have been rather slack with keeping SH's informed).

Now they release a statement full of information regarding the court cases & problems faced by the company and they're accused of releasing to much information?

"multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand"

It's not that complicated.

You are taking my words out of context now.

Maybe I have a comms problem and didn't make myself clear or maybe people didn't read my 4 paragraphs in detail.

The quote you refer to was not about us in here or hawk-eyed investors who examine every word in detail like MoneyBags or basically most of us in here. It was in reference to those disengaged shareholders who probably never vote and just chuck the AGM resolutions notice in the bin. Only this year something is different because they want their money and now have with shiny new offerings and professionally produced comms instead of same old stuff appearing the the letter box.

It's not about the ASX announcements. It's about the brand. Or lack there of.

I never claimed AVZ are releasing too much information.

Details are important.

 

[David holland]

Really sounds like we are getting close to a resolution now. The ICC emergency injunctions are helping out a lot here and cannot be understated.

If the MoU still isn't sorted by the end of January and the ICC rules in favour of us against Zijin and then again against Dathomir, the DRC government really have no reason or excuse to continue this shitshow. They will have no case whatsoever against us at ICSID and will completely fuckup everything for themselves.

The recent announcements have been great at countering this MMGA falsehood. Keep them coming - next thing i want to see is this evidence of all the detractors being in cahoots!

Goes to show how well the BoD have managed this over the years, just been heartache for us SH's being held in the dark, but now seeing all of the info come to light, it was imperrative that they held it in.

Edit - would love to start seeing some more public backing from either our Aus embassy or some form of Aus government, even perhaps the US or someone to take a stand now and publicly discuss this issue because all of the dirty laundry is now being aired.

I have recieved my voting slip, what are we voting to get this company back on track, I haven't been up to date with proceedings

 

[Samus]

Did I miss who's responsible for issuing the share certificates the DRC?

Cami JFMK?

FMD...

 

[Remark]

Sorry I quoted you out of context...

"Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with."

Another point apart from the obvious - should Nigel be accepting advertising / marketing advice from a random person on Social Media? I sincerely hope not.

Do you think that a simple "advertising campaign" (visually appealing solution as you put it) could explain the complex matters that the BOD are dealing with? Sometimes simplicity isn't the answer.

"If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick."

I've never thought that the MMGA website was at all slick. It looked like a cheaply put together off the shelf type setup. They even cloned Donald Trump's catchphrase. Not impressive at all.

Differences in opinion are what makes the world interesting.

 

[Hudnut]

Thanks for posting that TC. Now that AVZ has provided that additional information here you can bet there will still be those shareholders who won’t even read it and will be whining again in a week or month or whenever that AVZ hasn’t communicated with shareholders.

AVZ has provided so much information to shareholders since we went into suspension that anyone who actually read it all should understood what and why information has and hasn’t been disclosed previously

As far as everyone sending the MMGA email with their proposal to spam or the bin, I opened it up, read it and made dot points of all the lies and misinformation in it to use against them

I sure would have liked to have known about the Dathomir case, the 50 million dollar fine, and Graeme Johnston's 3 year prison sentencing from AVZ a hell of a lot earlier. Prior to suspension, and without being forced to disclose by circumstances.

I'd also like some comms regarding the work supposedly being done by others at the power plant.

 

[Samus]

I sure would have liked to have known about the Dathomir case, the 50 million dollar fine, and Graeme Johnston's 3 year prison sentencing from AVZ a hell of a lot earlier. Prior to suspension, and without being forced to disclose by circumstances.

I'd also like some comms regarding the power plant.

I'm wondering at what point AVZ management actually knew, sounds like this potentially all happened without their knowledge during covid times.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Did I miss who's responsible for issuing the share certificates the DRC?

Cami JFMK?

FMD...

Papalas Musagi Wabulasa

He is a clerk at the RCCM (DRC company register) office who created the certificate at Dathcom's (Represented by Graeme Johnston) request using the share transfer instruments held by AVZ's DRC lawyers that were no doubt done when the SPA's were created

He got 12 months hard time in the original judgement but that was overturned on appeal as the appeal judge found that his conviction was not established 'in fact as in law'

 

[Rediah]

Hmmmm from Earth they say…..

Nice try, Aliens !!!!!

 

[wombat74]

I sure would have liked to have known about the Dathomir case, the 50 million dollar fine, and Graeme Johnston's 3 year prison sentencing from AVZ a hell of a lot earlier. Prior to suspension, and without being forced to disclose by circumstances.

I'd also like some comms regarding the work supposedly being done by others at the power plant.

I'm surprised it hadn't leaked somehow . Even without AVZ informing SH .

 

[Hudnut]

I'm wondering at what point AVZ management actually knew, sounds like this potentially all happened without their knowledge during covid times.

I can't see how a DRC court would expect to collect a multi million dollar fine from AVZ without telling them about it.

 

[wombat74]

I'm wondering at what point AVZ management actually knew, sounds like this potentially all happened without their knowledge during covid times.

My thoughts as well . How does that info not leak one way or the other ?

 

[Samus]

I can't see how a DRC court would expect to collect a multi million dollar fine from AVZ without telling them about it.

Announcement says:

 

[Carlos Danger]

I'm wondering at what point AVZ management actually knew, sounds like this potentially all happened without their knowledge during covid times.

My thoughts as well . How does that info not leak one way or the other ?

AVZ management knew immediately. Appeal was lodged 7 days after original judgement.

 

[Hudnut]

Announcement says:

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Yes, that's the hearing itself and handing down a judgement. I get that.
Once that's been done, you need to tell the person you've tried in absentia that you reckon they owe you money if you want to collect it, yes?

 

[Samus]

Yes, that's the hearing itself and handing down a judgement. I get that.
Once that's been done, you need to tell the person you've tried in absentia that you reckon they owe you money if you want to collect it, yes?

I was asking at what point AVZ knew, Carlos has clarified that.
So really yes they did withhold this information from shareholders, that was the angle really.
First I remember of it was the article in geopolis magazine or whatever that dodgy publication is.

 

[Hudnut]

AVZ management knew immediately. Appeal was lodged 3 days after original judgement.
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And if AVZ has told us this when they knew, then SHs would have had an inkling that not all was necessarily as rosy and straightforward as winking, champagne on ice Nige would have us believe. Months before our cash was tied up in suspension.
So while they may or may not be doing a good job with the current corruption clusterduck, no-one can tell me they've done a wonderful job keeping shareholders abreast of relevant information they need to manage their investment.

I might have place more weight on scuttlebutt just prior to suspension if I'd known this, and avoided this crap.
A far as I'm concerned, any good work the BoD does to recover this just gets them back to even. Not worth bonuses.

 

[Spikerama]

Sorry I quoted you out of context...

"Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with."

Another point apart from the obvious - should Nigel be accepting advertising / marketing advice from a random person on Social Media? I sincerely hope not.

Do you think that a simple "advertising campaign" (visually appealing solution as you put it) could explain the complex matters that the BOD are dealing with? Sometimes simplicity isn't the answer.

"If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick."

I've never thought that the MMGA website was at all slick. It looked like a cheaply put together off the shelf type setup. They even cloned Donald Trump's catchphrase. Not impressive at all.

Differences in opinion are what makes the world interesting.

Another point apart from the obvious - should Nigel be accepting advertising / marketing advice from a random person on Social Media? I sincerely hope not.

Of course I don't think that. All relationships for any company need to be vetted with proper due diligence to ensure the right fit and obviously with sensitive material this is even more paramount. But it all starts with making contact. If someone is offering pro-bono work surely you would investigate. (obviously larger issues on the mind but here we are)

Do you think that a simple "advertising campaign" (visually appealing solution as you put it) could explain the complex matters that the BOD are dealing with? Sometimes simplicity isn't the answer.

You are confusing advertising campaigns with Brand.
Campaigns are temporary solutions and are often very short lived whereas a brand is built over time. Campaigns are selling a promise whereas brand is selling a feeling.

I've never thought that the MMGA website was at all slick. It looked like a cheaply put together off the shelf type setup. They even cloned Donald Trump's catchphrase. Not impressive at all.

I agree, it's very cookie cutter kind of stuff and the tagline is an unfortunate call back to a recalcitrant loser and worrying era. But to the less discerning eye it does the trick effectively and easy to breeze through.

Differences in opinion are what makes the world interesting.

Yes and this morning you had the opinion that it would be a great idea to turn CCK into a tranny and post it on social media.

Yay "opinions". Nailed it.

 

[Remark]

Another point apart from the obvious - should Nigel be accepting advertising / marketing advice from a random person on Social Media? I sincerely hope not.

Of course I don't think that. All relationships for any company need to be vetted with proper due diligence to ensure the right fit and obviously with sensitive material this is even more paramount. But it all starts with making contact. If someone is offering pro-bono work surely you would investigate. (obviously larger issues on the mind but here we are)

Do you think that a simple "advertising campaign" (visually appealing solution as you put it) could explain the complex matters that the BOD are dealing with? Sometimes simplicity isn't the answer.

You are confusing advertising campaigns with Brand.
Campaigns are temporary solutions and are often very short lived whereas a brand is built over time. Campaigns are selling a promise whereas brand is selling a feeling.

I've never thought that the MMGA website was at all slick. It looked like a cheaply put together off the shelf type setup. They even cloned Donald Trump's catchphrase. Not impressive at all.

I agree, it's very cookie cutter kind of stuff and the tagline is an unfortunate call back to a recalcitrant loser and worrying era. But to the less discerning eye it does the trick effectively and easy to breeze through.

Differences in opinion are what makes the world interesting.

Yes and this morning you had the opinion that it would be a great idea to turn CCK into a tranny and post it on social media.

Yay "opinions". Nailed it.

I take offence to the term "tranny" - I think the correct term is "cross dresser" - not very inclusive of you there Bud!

Anyway, it's pointless having a discussion with a person that is always right.