Excellent timing - reaffirms commitment to hold DRC and Zijin to account.
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Don't worry, it's the same as the Australian
Cumquat Cap
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We’re ready to wait and fight Leonard you fucking cocksucker.
Strong messaging by Nigel, we’re the only party without time pressures, bring on a strong sale price. We’re not budging and Zijin are not stealing our northern portion without paying big time. Very good position of strength and the shareholding register is behind Nigel 100%
Strong messaging by Nigel, we’re the only party without time pressures, bring on a strong sale price. We’re not budging and Zijin are not stealing our northern portion without paying big time. Very good position of strength and the shareholding register is behind Nigel 100%
"One source suggested AVZ and KoBold were miles apart on price with AVZ talking billions of dollars and not giving up on reparations from Zijin over the northern part of Manono."
Bezos net worth is $240 billion . He's backing an EV startup company to rival (?) Tesla . He alone could pay us what we are worth , & recoup it all in no time . His net worth rose by $13 billion in July alone . It shits me to tears that two of the richest men on the planet are squabbling over pocket money (for themselves) , while trying to shaft 20000 investors and the local Congolese
I'm thankful Nigel is standing firm .
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Absolutely correct bloke383. These flogs revert to type whenever a dollar sign pops up in negotiations.
Nigel had a lot to say in that piece, and probably more than company announcements for some time. Re-reading the full article is not time wasted.
For instance, he is unequivocally clear when he says...“If KoBold is not able to present a commercially acceptable proposal, the project will in the short term continue to be locked up in arbitration. This will be to the detriment of the Congo, the people of Manono, and US critical minerals supply chains.” Even the slowest of US hardnuts will understand the implications of that statement.
Clearly Nigel is frustrated with KoBold's opportunistic low-balling simply because it is the DRC's golden child and has the imprimatur of the US government. Despite its carefully worded motherhood statements and virtue-signalling bullshit about fair value, it seems that KoBold's fair value is merely a euphemism for ripping off 21,000 investors simply because it is rich and powerful. KoBold is foolish to risk losing the lithium prize of the century.
Hold my drink
Cheers
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Penskefile
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And that, my friend, is how these cunts get rich. Squeeze the life out of everyone else beneath them and short change the little guy."One source suggested AVZ and KoBold were miles apart on price with AVZ talking billions of dollars and not giving up on reparations from Zijin over the northern part of Manono."
Bezos net worth is $240 billion . He's backing an EV startup company to rival (?) Tesla . He alone could pay us what we are worth , & recoup it all in no time . His net worth rose by $13 billion in July alone . It shits me to tears that two of the richest men on the planet are squabbling over pocket money (for themselves) , while trying to shaft 20000 investors and the local Congolese
I'm thankful Nigel is standing firm .
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AVZ ain’t the little guy. We hold the cards !! And that my friend is how we are going to get rich
Penskefile
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If AVZ wasn’t the little guy we WOULD be rich by now. Indeed we do hold the cards, but cashing in our chips could take years and I think KuntBold is taking full advantage of that prospect.AVZ ain’t the little guy. We hold the cards !! And that my friend is how we are going to get rich
In the article, Nigel publicly calls out KoBold's commercial arrogance around its misguided assumption that it has Roche Dure+ in the bag. It clearly has not. As Charbella said, KoBold has miscalculated. That miscalculation is now public.
The clever KoBold/DRC campaign of misinformation designed to reinforce its belief as the chosen one, and scare off other potential bidders is now globally exposed as a failure. KoBold should be embarrassed at how it not only mis-judged its position in negotiations, but also mis-judged the strength of conviction of AVZ Minerals. I guess that's what happens when you partner with the DRC.
Finally, AVZ is fully funded for its ICC and ICSID arbitrations; the DRC is desperate for the arbitrations to end and desperate for cash; the US is desperate for critical minerals...but AVZ's assets are not for sale at fire-sale prices, and as Nigel clearly stated: “A commercially acceptable offer that reflects the globally significant value of the Manono project has not been presented as yet and negotiations are still being progressed. Kobold is well aware of what we consider the project value to be.”
KoBold needs to lift its offer to a rate that reflects Manono's true commercial and geopolitical value...or get out of the room and let others in to negotiate a deal.
Cheers
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The clever KoBold/DRC campaign of misinformation designed to reinforce its belief as the chosen one, and scare off other potential bidders is now globally exposed as a failure. KoBold should be embarrassed at how it not only mis-judged its position in negotiations, but also mis-judged the strength of conviction of AVZ Minerals. I guess that's what happens when you partner with the DRC.
Finally, AVZ is fully funded for its ICC and ICSID arbitrations; the DRC is desperate for the arbitrations to end and desperate for cash; the US is desperate for critical minerals...but AVZ's assets are not for sale at fire-sale prices, and as Nigel clearly stated: “A commercially acceptable offer that reflects the globally significant value of the Manono project has not been presented as yet and negotiations are still being progressed. Kobold is well aware of what we consider the project value to be.”
KoBold needs to lift its offer to a rate that reflects Manono's true commercial and geopolitical value...or get out of the room and let others in to negotiate a deal.
Cheers
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Hodlandwin69
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For those not fluent in legalese:
The updates on July 31, 2025, in the ICSID arbitration case AVZ vs DRC, indicate two significant procedural developments initiated by the Respondent (Democratic Republic of Congo):
1. "The Respondent files observations on the Claimants’ request for provisional measures."
– This means that the DRC has submitted its formal response or commentary on the Claimants’ earlier request for provisional measures (filed on June 24, 2025). Provisional measures are temporary orders requested to preserve the parties' rights or prevent harm during the arbitration process (e.g., freezing assets, halting certain actions).
2. "The Respondent files a request for security for costs."
– This indicates that the DRC is asking the Tribunal to order AVZ (the Claimants) to provide financial security (e.g., a bank guarantee or payment into escrow). This is typically requested when the Respondent is concerned that the Claimants may not be able to pay legal costs if they lose the case. It's a protective step often seen in investor-state disputes.
Together, these filings show the DRC is actively defending itself by:
Challenging the Claimants' provisional requests, and
Seeking financial assurances in case it prevails and is awarded legal costs.
The updates on July 31, 2025, in the ICSID arbitration case AVZ vs DRC, indicate two significant procedural developments initiated by the Respondent (Democratic Republic of Congo):
1. "The Respondent files observations on the Claimants’ request for provisional measures."
– This means that the DRC has submitted its formal response or commentary on the Claimants’ earlier request for provisional measures (filed on June 24, 2025). Provisional measures are temporary orders requested to preserve the parties' rights or prevent harm during the arbitration process (e.g., freezing assets, halting certain actions).
2. "The Respondent files a request for security for costs."
– This indicates that the DRC is asking the Tribunal to order AVZ (the Claimants) to provide financial security (e.g., a bank guarantee or payment into escrow). This is typically requested when the Respondent is concerned that the Claimants may not be able to pay legal costs if they lose the case. It's a protective step often seen in investor-state disputes.
Together, these filings show the DRC is actively defending itself by:
Challenging the Claimants' provisional requests, and
Seeking financial assurances in case it prevails and is awarded legal costs.
Kobold may have opened itself up to legal battle. If they honestly tried to neglect AVZ position as the rightful owner of the Manono deposit and backstories way via the DRC government. It has provided AVZ with a huge lever for fair value. We could take the company to Court in a similar manner that’s currently playing out in the ISCID.
12 bucks to drop all cases. IMO.
12 bucks to drop all cases. IMO.
cruiser51
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This is the normal stalling tactics from the DRC team, they have ignored ICSID instructions, they are refusing to pay a fine imposed by the ICC.
One could ask why now asking for security and the response could be "The moment you stop ignoring ICSID instructions we will take note of your concerns".
With their behaviour, they are not in a position to make extra demands.
Hodlandwin69
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The way I interpret the current DRC/USA comments, the article and Nigel's comments is that AVZ sell it to the Highest US bidder or continue Arbitration with funding from Cath. I don't think the DRC will allow Cath or a Chinese entity to have Roche Dure as they need to US Commerical agreement
Just a quick note of thanks and appreciation to those who take the time to share their knowledge, expertise, and information here. I have little experience in investment and stocks so have stayed out of the conversation in the 5+ years since buying into AVZ, but have found the research and interpretations posted here quite helpful. It's been quite the saga, which it appears is approaching fruition, and am looking forward to George Clooney's performance in the series.
I will also note that as a shareholder, I've been dismayed at how some seem to consider themselves as spokespeople for the shareholder base and espouse racist, defamatory, entitled, and hateful remarks here and across other platforms. While some of these values are often spoken the loudest, I would hope others agree that they do not best represent those of the larger AVZ shareholder base.
I will also note that as a shareholder, I've been dismayed at how some seem to consider themselves as spokespeople for the shareholder base and espouse racist, defamatory, entitled, and hateful remarks here and across other platforms. While some of these values are often spoken the loudest, I would hope others agree that they do not best represent those of the larger AVZ shareholder base.
Hit a nerve by...exactly proving my point???
Quick, all the tards aboard the Dave Evan's short bus to the private thread where all the "good info" is
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Where is the decency and respect in that post ?
Double standards 101.
You should of been more involved in the chats to gain a bit of trust.
Too risky to include randoms from this thread now........its been invaded by scum.
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