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[Samus]

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Manono lithium: Here are the law firms of ZIJIN and COMINIERE who requested a postponement from the ICC for their own complaint​

July 11, 2023
Kiki Kienge


By Kiki Kienge
COMINIERE and ZIJIN had seized the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris (CCI) to claim damages from AVZ MINERALS, US$850 million for Jin Cheng (ZIJIN) and US$566 million for COMINIERE, for a total of US$1,416,000,000, notably requesting the termination of the DATHCOM joint venture.
QUID: How did the ZIJIN group feel aggrieved by AVZ MINERALS in DATHCOM if the 15% purchased from COMINIERE was deemed illegal by the IGF, the financial inspection body of the Presidency of the Republic in DR Congo?
Now the Chinese group ZIJIN "in partnership with COMINIERE" associated in the complaint, has just requested a new postponement in the arbitration in Paris requested by themselves.
The reason would be, according to the Chinese mining giant, a necessary need for time to prepare to properly respond to the allegations of the IGF report which accuses it of having violated Congolese law by its attempt to buy 15% of the shares. de la COMINIERE at a price of US$33,400,000 than US$150,000,000 of its market value.
Some reactions on social networks:
Cybelle Kamba Kabasu ;
“The exploitation of #Lithium has been delayed enough because of the bad faith of the CominiereS, it is however urgent to end the arbitration and make Manono benefit from this new start…. »
August V. Cohen ;
“That's not realistic, Mrs. Cybelle.
This postponement request will be refused because no extenuating circumstances authorize a new postponement. The referees will see this as a delaying tactic and will dismiss the request. Zijin then risks losing and Cominière will receive a very large fine. Once this is done, AVZ will file a lawsuit in federal court in Washington DC against Cominiere. The Paris court allows the plaintiffs to sue in US courts to demand payment of the fine. Given the evidence, he will likely lose the case in America as well…
It is time for the DRC government to reach an agreement with the Chinese and the Austrians to solve this problem because AVZ is now on the warpath and will not give up. »
THE LAWYERS
For ZIJIN:
De Gaulle Fleurance & Associés law firms.
Fasken Martineau DuMoulin
For COMINIERE:
The Congolese firm Muamba Mukengeshayi & Associés.
The procedure had been launched jointly before the International Chamber of Commerce of Paris (ICC) between COMINIERE and the ZIJIN group.

Manono lithium : Voici les cabinets d'avocats de ZIJIN et COMINIERE qui ont demandé un report à l'ICC pour leur propre plainte - Kongo Presse

Le motif serait selon le géant minier Chinois, un besoin nécessaire de temps pour se préparer à bien répondre aux allégations du rapport de l’IGF qui l'accuse d'avoir lésé la loi Congolaise par sa tentative d'achat des 15% des parts de la COMINIERE au prix de 33.400.000 $US que 150.000.000 $US...

kongopress.com

 

[Xerof]

Re the two prior posts

Kiki does a great job, but he's years behind the eight ball on that Zijin news release. We have discussed that article every groundhog day since it was published, and determined:

Firstly, we observed that Zijin were reluctant to specify EXACTLY which tenements they "purchased shares from COMINIERE" in. Of course it was 13359, and they knew it was illegal. They only started mentioning it when they were outed

Secondly, they made a typo when mentioning the Cooperation Agreement signed with COMINIERE and wrote 13427 instead of 13247. This was never corrected. I think that was a genuine error

Some of you here held shares in Force I think. Do any of you know how they lost those tenements? I seem to recall they just walked away, saying there was nothing of interest found, but would be happy for Kiki to uncover more dodgy manoeuvres between those two

Cohen seems to also be confused saying the request for an extension by ICC will be refused, as in fact it has already been agreed to - now September/October, as announced by AVZ a couple of weeks ago. But I agree with his sentiment - they are running scared, delaying and will lose badly

 

[Charbella]

Where’s the lithium coming from Mr Pei?

Tianhua New Energy: plans to invest 5 billion yuan in the construction of new energy lithium electric materials project

2023-07-11 08:29 Source: Polaris Battery Network

On July 10, Tianhua Xinneng announced that the company and the Ganmei Industrial Park Management Committee of Meishan City, Sichuan Province plan to sign a project investment contract to build a new energy lithium electric material production line and related production facilities and supporting facilities. The total investment of the project is expected to be 5 billion yuan. The start-up time is expected to be the third quarter of 2023, and the two phases will be completed by the end of December 2025.

 

[Underwaterdark]

Another fun article out from the other side this morning.
Written by the renowned "User1"

Covers AVZ intentionally stagnating the project for 7 years, as the DRC missed the lithium boom.
Also covers Cominiere being so kind as to support the ICSID case.

Worth a read, for a laugh, with translate.

Arbitrage CIRDI à New-York sur le projet Lithium de Manono : La COMMINIERE se met à la disposition de l’équipe des conseils comme renfort pour la RDC - GEOPOLIS MAGAZINE

Dans une correspondance adressée, le 07 juillet 2023, à Madame le Ministre d’Etat, Ministre de la Justice et Garde des Sceaux, avec ampliation aux Autorités compétentes dont Monsieur le Président de la République, Chef de l’Etat, Monsieur le Premier Ministre, Chef du Gouvernement, à Madame le...

geopolismagazine.net

 

[Retrobyte]

It is time for the DRC government to reach an agreement with the Chinese and the Austrians to solve this problem

Hope that doesn't mean Klaus

 

[Samus]

Another fun article out from the other side this morning.
Written by the renowned "User1"

Covers AVZ intentionally stagnating the project for 7 years, as the DRC missed the lithium boom.
Also covers Cominiere being so kind as to support the ICSID case.

Worth a read, for a laugh, with translate.

Arbitrage CIRDI à New-York sur le projet Lithium de Manono : La COMMINIERE se met à la disposition de l’équipe des conseils comme renfort pour la RDC - GEOPOLIS MAGAZINE

Dans une correspondance adressée, le 07 juillet 2023, à Madame le Ministre d’Etat, Ministre de la Justice et Garde des Sceaux, avec ampliation aux Autorités compétentes dont Monsieur le Président de la République, Chef de l’Etat, Monsieur le Premier Ministre, Chef du Gouvernement, à Madame le...

geopolismagazine.net

Fucks sake, round in circles with this shit again.
That other dodgy Chinese paid website has released another bullshit article as well.

Tribune - RDC/Mines : « Le racisme et les insultes ont fait perdre la Mine Manono à AVZ », Eckhoff, Ancien PCA AVZ

De répétitives violations de la loi et des commissions d’infraction par AVZ ont conduit à la stagnation de la mine de Manono pendant sept ans. Mais AVZ, par l'intermédiaire de ses conseillers, actionnaires, investisseurs et écrivains, a blâmé le pays et le peuple de la République démocratique du...

7sur7.cd

 

[Xerof]

Re the two prior posts

Kiki does a great job, but he's years behind the eight ball on that Zijin news release. We have discussed that article every groundhog day since it was published, and determined:

Firstly, we observed that Zijin were reluctant to specify EXACTLY which tenements they "purchased shares from COMINIERE" in. Of course it was 13359, and they knew it was illegal. They only started mentioning it when they were outed

Secondly, they made a typo when mentioning the Cooperation Agreement signed with COMINIERE and wrote 13427 instead of 13247. This was never corrected. I think that was a genuine error

Some of you here held shares in Force I think. Do any of you know how they lost those tenements? I seem to recall they just walked away, saying there was nothing of interest found, but would be happy for Kiki to uncover more dodgy manoeuvres between those two

Cohen seems to also be confused saying the request for an extension by ICC will be refused, as in fact it has already been agreed to - now September/October, as announced by AVZ a couple of weeks ago. But I agree with his sentiment - they are running scared, delaying and will lose badly

Re Cohen tweet - I assumed he refers to the first case re the 15%, but on reflection and reading the article again, maybe Z have asked for delay on their joint case for damages? I can't find anything about it, but if it was set for a hearing earlier than the first case, it would make sense to delay it

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Man these articles make my blood boil - anyone have any ideas how we can fuck over Tommy R as he's clearly working to fuck us over - Klaus clearly is butthurt that every AJN post receives about 10 comments about his character which is fantastic.

 

[Charbella]

Fucks sake, round in circles with this shit again.
That other dodgy Chinese paid website has released another bullshit article as well.

Tribune - RDC/Mines : « Le racisme et les insultes ont fait perdre la Mine Manono à AVZ », Eckhoff, Ancien PCA AVZ

De répétitives violations de la loi et des commissions d’infraction par AVZ ont conduit à la stagnation de la mine de Manono pendant sept ans. Mais AVZ, par l'intermédiaire de ses conseillers, actionnaires, investisseurs et écrivains, a blâmé le pays et le peuple de la République démocratique du...

7sur7.cd

Hi there!

Can someone of you please make a claim against the AFR? Need to be in near future.

I will do it against Klaus Eckhoff.

I have no idea about the australien laws but in germany this article is easy contestable and would not have a chance in a courtroom.

Headline: „Former AVZ chairman slams ‘racist’ shareholders“

„has slammed “racist” shareholders for inflaming tensions between the suspended lithium miner and its partners in the Democratic Republic of Congo.“

It clearly suggests AVZ shareholders are racist. So Klaus and the AFR calling me out I’m a racist.

There is no evidence a AVZ shareholder using racist pictures or anything. It’s the internet, could be everyone even enemies of the company like axel and some more. I have the feeling they have deliberately staged this shit to use it.

You don’t need to go to the supreme court, but using the racist card is not acceptable in my eyes and need an answer!

All these local articles are quoting Tommy as facts. I am so pissed off with AFR and this article, I have made a formal complaint this morning. I am a retail shareholder and I am not RACIST!

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Another fun article out from the other side this morning.
Written by the renowned "User1"

Covers AVZ intentionally stagnating the project for 7 years, as the DRC missed the lithium boom.
Also covers Cominiere being so kind as to support the ICSID case.

Worth a read, for a laugh, with translate.

Arbitrage CIRDI à New-York sur le projet Lithium de Manono : La COMMINIERE se met à la disposition de l’équipe des conseils comme renfort pour la RDC - GEOPOLIS MAGAZINE

Dans une correspondance adressée, le 07 juillet 2023, à Madame le Ministre d’Etat, Ministre de la Justice et Garde des Sceaux, avec ampliation aux Autorités compétentes dont Monsieur le Président de la République, Chef de l’Etat, Monsieur le Premier Ministre, Chef du Gouvernement, à Madame le...

geopolismagazine.net

Fucks sake, round in circles with this shit again.
That other dodgy Chinese paid website has released another bullshit article as well.

Tribune - RDC/Mines : « Le racisme et les insultes ont fait perdre la Mine Manono à AVZ », Eckhoff, Ancien PCA AVZ

De répétitives violations de la loi et des commissions d’infraction par AVZ ont conduit à la stagnation de la mine de Manono pendant sept ans. Mais AVZ, par l'intermédiaire de ses conseillers, actionnaires, investisseurs et écrivains, a blâmé le pays et le peuple de la République démocratique du...

7sur7.cd

These articles (in tandem) are clearly full of lies, deception and misleading claims all of which are clearly able to be proven as false.

The deception and desperation from klause jerkoff, tommy turd burglar and CKK (the latest from this chinese website) is another example of how desperate they are.

I’m glad they are here watching us expose their lies…. The poor little fuckwit turd burglars

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Agreed, it's a sign something is happening in the background but fuck me Tommy is such a prick, I might go wait for him out the front of the AFR headquarter's if I can get away from work and beat the piss out of him

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Also, was informed a month or so ago that CominiereSA twitter has been baiting us into making derogatory comments so they could relay back to PR5 - this ties in and glad everyone stopped/blocked them

 

[Carlos Danger]

Hi there!

Can someone of you please make a claim against the AFR? Need to be in near future.

I will do it against Klaus Eckhoff.

I have no idea about the australien laws but in germany this article is easy contestable and would not have a chance in a courtroom.

Headline: „Former AVZ chairman slams ‘racist’ shareholders“

„has slammed “racist” shareholders for inflaming tensions between the suspended lithium miner and its partners in the Democratic Republic of Congo.“

It clearly suggests AVZ shareholders are racist. So Klaus and the AFR calling me out I’m a racist.

There is no evidence a AVZ shareholder using racist pictures or anything. It’s the internet, could be everyone even enemies of the company like axel and some more. I have the feeling they have deliberately staged this shit to use it.

You don’t need to go to the supreme court, but using the racist card is not acceptable in my eyes and need a answer!

Tommy quotes Klaus so it will be impossible to sue the AFR. We could sue Klaus but no chance he would respect a court in Australia.

The biggest issue for me about Klaus's comments is why the fuck Nigel still holds his AJN shares. If I was leading a company and some old dumb bitter little cunt called my shareholders racist I would dump every share I held in their company in the most rat fuck damaging way possible to teach them a lesson.

 

[GuruDukun]

Arbitrage CIRDI à New-York sur le projet Lithium de Manono : La COMMINIERE se met à la disposition de l’équipe des conseils comme renfort pour la RDC - GEOPOLIS MAGAZINE

Dans une correspondance adressée, le 07 juillet 2023, à Madame le Ministre d’Etat, Ministre de la Justice et Garde des Sceaux, avec ampliation aux Autorités compétentes dont Monsieur le Président de la République, Chef de l’Etat, Monsieur le Premier Ministre, Chef du Gouvernement, à Madame le...

geopolismagazine.net

It's laughable. C want's to also get in on the case at the ICDS.

They are appealing to emotions and trying to influence ongoing discussions. A bit desperate.

Let the case(s) run their course, I think. Let it all come out. Not ideal, but it is what it is.

 

[GuruDukun]

Also, was informed a month or so ago that CominiereSA twitter has been baiting us into making derogatory comments so they could relay back to PR5 - this ties in and glad everyone stopped/blocked them

All the more reason for rational discussion and to reframe from bitching, blaming, and general untoward behaviour when things are being worked out. YES, bitter f*&king pill.

Some shareholder: 'But I am special. And I hold a large percentage of my portfolio with AVZ. If I don't get my way NOW, I will raise hell for RDC government and AVZ Board'.

Some 'shareholders' just need to STFU and get over themselves. Stop making ammo for others. You are a slow-motion train wreck.

 

[JAG]

Tommy quotes Klaus so it will be impossible to sue the AFR. We could sue Klaus but no chance he would respect a court in Australia.

The biggest issue for me about Klaus's comments is why the fuck Nigel still holds his AJN shares. If I was leading a company and some old dumb bitter little cunt called my shareholders racist I would dump every share I held in their company in the most rat fuck damaging way possible to teach them a lesson.

He is on the BOD of KAI Kairos Minerals based in WA, it maybe easier than you think

 

[Samus]

These articles (in tandem) are clearly full of lies, deception and misleading claims all of which are clearly able to be proven as false.

The deception and desperation from klause jerkoff, tommy turd burglar and CKK (the latest from this chinese website) is another example of how desperate they are.

I’m glad they are here watching us expose their lies…. The poor little fuckwit turd burglars

Trouble is these fuckers have continually fed a stream of bullshit to the Congolese population over the course of 14 plus months and even beforehand with the talk of Graeme having a warrant out for his arrest in drc and so on.
Nobody has a real idea of what's going on apart from AVZ shareholders (at least we think we do with near zero communication from management). Even the western media is simply spreading a heap of misinformation and bullshit, purposefully or otherwise due to the all the crap that's floating around and confusing the issues which should actually be simple.
Corrupt DRC courts seemingly have ruled against us in prior cases that weren't really disclosed to us by management if we're being honest. Those cases were clearly illegitimate but nonetheless it seems they did happen.
The whole thing is fucked and we need some solid positives both officially from management through the asx and critically from the corrupt shit fight that is the DRC government moving forward.
When is enough enough and how long do we have to wait for all this escalating shit fight to be put to bed once and for all?
I am so sick of bullshit upon bullshit piling up like a festering quagmire of shit.
Does one's fucking head in tbh. Fucking drowning in shit with no real end in sight.
Dodgy cunts the world over spewing shit from their filthy orifices and their dodgy media platforms. No doubt largely driven by Chinese who we like on the one hand but are trying to fuck us on the other and a select few in the DRC government desperately fighting for their system of self serving bribery and greed. Likely with the top dog as either one of them or powerless to do anything about them it seems at this stage.
FMD.

Anyway still hopeful for the good news soon...

 

[Charbella]

Tommy quotes Klaus so it will be impossible to sue the AFR. We could sue Klaus but no chance he would respect a court in Australia.

The biggest issue for me about Klaus's comments is why the fuck Nigel still holds his AJN shares. If I was leading a company and some old dumb bitter little cunt called my shareholders racist I would dump every share I held in their company in the most rat fuck damaging way possible to teach them a lesson.

I am pretty sure Tommy needs to exercise diligence in fact checking and ensuring the accuracy of the information presented in its articles. Klaus said it is just not good enough especially unwarranted accusation of racism against the company’s shareholders. Racism is a serious issue that should not be trivialised or used as a baseless accusation without substantial evidence.

 

[wombat74]

Trouble is these fuckers have continually fed a stream of bullshit to the Congolese population over the course of 14 plus months and even beforehand with the talk of Graeme having a warrant out for his arrest in drc and so on.
Nobody has a real idea of what's going on apart from AVZ shareholders (at least we think we do with near zero communication from management). Even the western media is simply spreading a heap of misinformation and bullshit, purposefully or otherwise due to the all the crap that's floating around and confusing the issues which should actually be simple.
Corrupt DRC courts seemingly have ruled against us in prior cases that weren't really disclosed to us by management if we're being honest. Those cases were clearly illegitimate but nonetheless it seems they did happen.
The whole thing is fucked and we need some solid positives both officially from management through the asx and critically from the corrupt shit fight that is the DRC government moving forward.
When is enough enough and how long do we have to wait for all this escalating shit fight to be put to bed once and for all?
I am so sick of bullshit upon bullshit piling up like a festering quagmire of shit.
Does one's fucking head in tbh. Fucking drowning in shit with no real end in sight.
Dodgy cunts the world over spewing shit from their filthy orifices and their dodgy media platforms. No doubt largely driven by Chinese who we like on the one hand but are trying to fuck us on the other and a select few in the DRC government desperately fighting for their system of self serving bribery and greed. Likely with the top dog as either one of them or powerless to do anything about them it seems at this stage.
FMD.

Anyway still hopeful for the good news soon...

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The law is what matters . The rest is just noise .

 

[Flight996]

Trouble is these fuckers have continually fed a stream of bullshit to the Congolese population over the course of 14 plus months and even beforehand with the talk of Graeme having a warrant out for his arrest in drc and so on.
Nobody has a real idea of what's going on apart from AVZ shareholders (at least we think we do with near zero communication from management). Even the western media is simply spreading a heap of misinformation and bullshit, purposefully or otherwise due to the all the crap that's floating around and confusing the issues which should actually be simple.
Corrupt DRC courts seemingly have ruled against us in prior cases that weren't really disclosed to us by management if we're being honest. Those cases were clearly illegitimate but nonetheless it seems they did happen.
The whole thing is fucked and we need some solid positives both officially from management through the asx and critically from the corrupt shit fight that is the DRC government moving forward.
When is enough enough and how long do we have to wait for all this escalating shit fight to be put to bed once and for all?
I am so sick of bullshit upon bullshit piling up like a festering quagmire of shit.
Does one's fucking head in tbh. Fucking drowning in shit with no real end in sight.
Dodgy cunts the world over spewing shit from their filthy orifices and their dodgy media platforms. No doubt largely driven by Chinese who we like on the one hand but are trying to fuck us on the other and a select few in the DRC government desperately fighting for their system of self serving bribery and greed. Likely with the top dog as either one of them or powerless to do anything about them it seems at this stage.
FMD.

Anyway still hopeful for the good news soon...

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Sure, there is plenty of hyperventilating rubbish being pedaled by a daisy-chain of back-room rodents (don't look up the meaning of a daisy chain). Only apologists for the DRC and Chinese govts and themselves could possibly believe that crap, so in reality they're just talking to themselves. While distasteful and annoying, it's just drivel.

Those who will not be influenced or swayed include those with a working brain: knowledgeable holders (us), CATH and institutional investors, genuine potential investors who do their due diligence, AVZ board members, ICC and ICSID arbiters. It's these groups that matter.

Parrot in the ear of the poor bastard in the straight-jacket...LOVE IT.

Cheers
F