AVZ Discussion 2022

[Xerof]

I think @Xerof is spot on, he gives good advice when he’s not mixing up triple strength margaritas

 

[John25]

At Present i have found a calming mechanism …dont forget …tomorrow is Friday

 

[Bray]

Thanks for that Roon but I'm hearing the opposite to what your relative is hearing. I will put it like this; Every dark cloud has a silver lining and we are at the stage where the cloud is clearing and everyone is going to be happy. Sorry, cannot go into detail but I feel good, very good so now it's time to cheer up and forget the past.

Mate Everytime you sprout something like this, something worse happens

 

[bloke383]

From Netoo on twitter

US-led minerals partnership shortlists projects for green energy shift

China’s grip on critical elements prompts concern over ‘weaponisation’ of supply chain

www.ft.com

A US-led group of 12 countries, plus the EU, plans to select large critical-minerals projects to develop by year end, in an attempt to lessen China’s dominant role in producing raw materials needed for green technologies. The Mineral Security Partnership, convened by the US last June, has produced a shortlist of some 15 projects culled from about 200 options, said Jose Fernandez, US under-secretary for economic growth, energy and the environment, after visiting Sweden, Norway, Finland, France and the UK “It is our very strong hope that, by the end of the year, we will have a couple of big projects that will be announced,” he said. The shortlist spans mining, processing and recycling of critical minerals, and the projects are geographically diverse. They include some in Africa, “a couple” in Europe, a few in Latin America and others in Asia. China’s control of the supply chain for critical minerals was a “vulnerability” for other countries, Fernandez said. This would become more apparent as demand for minerals such as lithium, used in batteries, rises as countries looked to lessen energy dependencies and cut greenhouse gas emissions, he added. “If we are successful [with the projects], then we will start making a dent and moving a needle on what is now a vulnerability,” he said. Fernandez said the partnership was “not about excluding anyone”. “It’s not about monopolising any supplies. It is about just diversifying our supply chains,” he added. A report from the International Energy Agency in 2021 found that China processes 50 per cent to 70 per cent of lithium and cobalt, and nearly 90 per cent of rare-earth elements. Chinese companies have made substantial investments in Australia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Indonesia, the IEA noted. In April Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said clean-energy supply chains were at risk of being “weaponised” in the way oil was during the 1970s or gas has been since Russia invaded Ukraine. Fernandez said reason why some countries had joined the partnership was because they had already been “victims of the weaponisation” of minerals. The partnership’s members include Australia, Japan, the UK, Germany, France, Korea, Canada and the EU. A report from the OECD said China was at the forefront of expanding export restrictions on critical minerals. Beijing increased the number of restrictions on critical raw materials needed for electric cars and renewable energy, such as lithium, cobalt and manganese, by a factor of nine in the 11 years to 2020, the research said. Fernandez said the minerals partnership was focused on higher environmental, social and governance standards, amid concerns about issues such as child labour and environmental damage in mining. “The bet is that if, given an alternative that involves the highest environmental principles, the highest engagement with communities, that doesn’t make countries choose between economic growth and environmental degradation, then, given that choice, producing countries will choose to work with our partners. We are testing that right now.” None of the shortlisted projects involved deep-sea mining despite growing interest by some countries in extracting battery metals from the ocean floor. This includes Norway, where the government is preparing plans to open a wide area of ocean to deep-sea mining. Fernandez said he discussed deep-sea mining briefly with politicians in Oslo on his visit there, but the US was taking a “precautionary” approach until more study on effects was conducted.

 

[Charbella]

From Netoo on twitter

US-led minerals partnership shortlists projects for green energy shift

China’s grip on critical elements prompts concern over ‘weaponisation’ of supply chain

www.ft.com

A US-led group of 12 countries, plus the EU, plans to select large critical-minerals projects to develop by year end, in an attempt to lessen China’s dominant role in producing raw materials needed for green technologies. The Mineral Security Partnership, convened by the US last June, has produced a shortlist of some 15 projects culled from about 200 options, said Jose Fernandez, US under-secretary for economic growth, energy and the environment, after visiting Sweden, Norway, Finland, France and the UK “It is our very strong hope that, by the end of the year, we will have a couple of big projects that will be announced,” he said. The shortlist spans mining, processing and recycling of critical minerals, and the projects are geographically diverse. They include some in Africa, “a couple” in Europe, a few in Latin America and others in Asia. China’s control of the supply chain for critical minerals was a “vulnerability” for other countries, Fernandez said. This would become more apparent as demand for minerals such as lithium, used in batteries, rises as countries looked to lessen energy dependencies and cut greenhouse gas emissions, he added. “If we are successful [with the projects], then we will start making a dent and moving a needle on what is now a vulnerability,” he said. Fernandez said the partnership was “not about excluding anyone”. “It’s not about monopolising any supplies. It is about just diversifying our supply chains,” he added. A report from the International Energy Agency in 2021 found that China processes 50 per cent to 70 per cent of lithium and cobalt, and nearly 90 per cent of rare-earth elements. Chinese companies have made substantial investments in Australia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Indonesia, the IEA noted. In April Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said clean-energy supply chains were at risk of being “weaponised” in the way oil was during the 1970s or gas has been since Russia invaded Ukraine. Fernandez said reason why some countries had joined the partnership was because they had already been “victims of the weaponisation” of minerals. The partnership’s members include Australia, Japan, the UK, Germany, France, Korea, Canada and the EU. A report from the OECD said China was at the forefront of expanding export restrictions on critical minerals. Beijing increased the number of restrictions on critical raw materials needed for electric cars and renewable energy, such as lithium, cobalt and manganese, by a factor of nine in the 11 years to 2020, the research said. Fernandez said the minerals partnership was focused on higher environmental, social and governance standards, amid concerns about issues such as child labour and environmental damage in mining. “The bet is that if, given an alternative that involves the highest environmental principles, the highest engagement with communities, that doesn’t make countries choose between economic growth and environmental degradation, then, given that choice, producing countries will choose to work with our partners. We are testing that right now.” None of the shortlisted projects involved deep-sea mining despite growing interest by some countries in extracting battery metals from the ocean floor. This includes Norway, where the government is preparing plans to open a wide area of ocean to deep-sea mining. Fernandez said he discussed deep-sea mining briefly with politicians in Oslo on his visit there, but the US was taking a “precautionary” approach until more study on effects was conducted.

@Carlos Danger @Gringos @$12!

 

[Xerof]

From Netoo on twitter

US-led minerals partnership shortlists projects for green energy shift

China’s grip on critical elements prompts concern over ‘weaponisation’ of supply chain

www.ft.com

A US-led group of 12 countries, plus the EU, plans to select large critical-minerals projects to develop by year end, in an attempt to lessen China’s dominant role in producing raw materials needed for green technologies. The Mineral Security Partnership, convened by the US last June, has produced a shortlist of some 15 projects culled from about 200 options, said Jose Fernandez, US under-secretary for economic growth, energy and the environment, after visiting Sweden, Norway, Finland, France and the UK “It is our very strong hope that, by the end of the year, we will have a couple of big projects that will be announced,” he said. The shortlist spans mining, processing and recycling of critical minerals, and the projects are geographically diverse. They include some in Africa, “a couple” in Europe, a few in Latin America and others in Asia. China’s control of the supply chain for critical minerals was a “vulnerability” for other countries, Fernandez said. This would become more apparent as demand for minerals such as lithium, used in batteries, rises as countries looked to lessen energy dependencies and cut greenhouse gas emissions, he added. “If we are successful [with the projects], then we will start making a dent and moving a needle on what is now a vulnerability,” he said. Fernandez said the partnership was “not about excluding anyone”. “It’s not about monopolising any supplies. It is about just diversifying our supply chains,” he added. A report from the International Energy Agency in 2021 found that China processes 50 per cent to 70 per cent of lithium and cobalt, and nearly 90 per cent of rare-earth elements. Chinese companies have made substantial investments in Australia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Indonesia, the IEA noted. In April Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said clean-energy supply chains were at risk of being “weaponised” in the way oil was during the 1970s or gas has been since Russia invaded Ukraine. Fernandez said reason why some countries had joined the partnership was because they had already been “victims of the weaponisation” of minerals. The partnership’s members include Australia, Japan, the UK, Germany, France, Korea, Canada and the EU. A report from the OECD said China was at the forefront of expanding export restrictions on critical minerals. Beijing increased the number of restrictions on critical raw materials needed for electric cars and renewable energy, such as lithium, cobalt and manganese, by a factor of nine in the 11 years to 2020, the research said. Fernandez said the minerals partnership was focused on higher environmental, social and governance standards, amid concerns about issues such as child labour and environmental damage in mining. “The bet is that if, given an alternative that involves the highest environmental principles, the highest engagement with communities, that doesn’t make countries choose between economic growth and environmental degradation, then, given that choice, producing countries will choose to work with our partners. We are testing that right now.” None of the shortlisted projects involved deep-sea mining despite growing interest by some countries in extracting battery metals from the ocean floor. This includes Norway, where the government is preparing plans to open a wide area of ocean to deep-sea mining. Fernandez said he discussed deep-sea mining briefly with politicians in Oslo on his visit there, but the US was taking a “precautionary” approach until more study on effects was conducted.

Anyone got hold of the shortlist? I know, lets ask Trump, he's pretty loose with secrets

 

[Dazmac66]

From Netoo on twitter

US-led minerals partnership shortlists projects for green energy shift

China’s grip on critical elements prompts concern over ‘weaponisation’ of supply chain

www.ft.com

A US-led group of 12 countries, plus the EU, plans to select large critical-minerals projects to develop by year end, in an attempt to lessen China’s dominant role in producing raw materials needed for green technologies. The Mineral Security Partnership, convened by the US last June, has produced a shortlist of some 15 projects culled from about 200 options, said Jose Fernandez, US under-secretary for economic growth, energy and the environment, after visiting Sweden, Norway, Finland, France and the UK “It is our very strong hope that, by the end of the year, we will have a couple of big projects that will be announced,” he said. The shortlist spans mining, processing and recycling of critical minerals, and the projects are geographically diverse. They include some in Africa, “a couple” in Europe, a few in Latin America and others in Asia. China’s control of the supply chain for critical minerals was a “vulnerability” for other countries, Fernandez said. This would become more apparent as demand for minerals such as lithium, used in batteries, rises as countries looked to lessen energy dependencies and cut greenhouse gas emissions, he added. “If we are successful [with the projects], then we will start making a dent and moving a needle on what is now a vulnerability,” he said. Fernandez said the partnership was “not about excluding anyone”. “It’s not about monopolising any supplies. It is about just diversifying our supply chains,” he added. A report from the International Energy Agency in 2021 found that China processes 50 per cent to 70 per cent of lithium and cobalt, and nearly 90 per cent of rare-earth elements. Chinese companies have made substantial investments in Australia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Indonesia, the IEA noted. In April Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said clean-energy supply chains were at risk of being “weaponised” in the way oil was during the 1970s or gas has been since Russia invaded Ukraine. Fernandez said reason why some countries had joined the partnership was because they had already been “victims of the weaponisation” of minerals. The partnership’s members include Australia, Japan, the UK, Germany, France, Korea, Canada and the EU. A report from the OECD said China was at the forefront of expanding export restrictions on critical minerals. Beijing increased the number of restrictions on critical raw materials needed for electric cars and renewable energy, such as lithium, cobalt and manganese, by a factor of nine in the 11 years to 2020, the research said. Fernandez said the minerals partnership was focused on higher environmental, social and governance standards, amid concerns about issues such as child labour and environmental damage in mining. “The bet is that if, given an alternative that involves the highest environmental principles, the highest engagement with communities, that doesn’t make countries choose between economic growth and environmental degradation, then, given that choice, producing countries will choose to work with our partners. We are testing that right now.” None of the shortlisted projects involved deep-sea mining despite growing interest by some countries in extracting battery metals from the ocean floor. This includes Norway, where the government is preparing plans to open a wide area of ocean to deep-sea mining. Fernandez said he discussed deep-sea mining briefly with politicians in Oslo on his visit there, but the US was taking a “precautionary” approach until more study on effects was conducted.

Wouldn't that give an extra long and thick middle finger to Zijin! RNU chat also excited about this. Maybe my Mrs could get the red Tesla! (Currently driving a Kia Cerato)

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Thanks for that Roon but I'm hearing the opposite to what your relative is hearing. I will put it like this; Every dark cloud has a silver lining and we are at the stage where the cloud is clearing and everyone is going to be happy. Sorry, cannot go into detail but I feel good, very good so now it's time to cheer up and forget the past.

Geo, you have to give us more than that. From my sources things are very high stressed and at a make or break point, not positive, not necessarily negative, but in the end game now.
Basically my understanding is looking for a TO and the bargaining chip is "give us an adequate $$$ or we will continue these court cases" (they definitely do not want to battle court for all these years).

The only positive is if you've heard further rumours of a good TO bid?

 

[Carlos Danger]

From Netoo on twitter

US-led minerals partnership shortlists projects for green energy shift

China’s grip on critical elements prompts concern over ‘weaponisation’ of supply chain

www.ft.com

A US-led group of 12 countries, plus the EU, plans to select large critical-minerals projects to develop by year end, in an attempt to lessen China’s dominant role in producing raw materials needed for green technologies. The Mineral Security Partnership, convened by the US last June, has produced a shortlist of some 15 projects culled from about 200 options, said Jose Fernandez, US under-secretary for economic growth, energy and the environment, after visiting Sweden, Norway, Finland, France and the UK “It is our very strong hope that, by the end of the year, we will have a couple of big projects that will be announced,” he said. The shortlist spans mining, processing and recycling of critical minerals, and the projects are geographically diverse. They include some in Africa, “a couple” in Europe, a few in Latin America and others in Asia. China’s control of the supply chain for critical minerals was a “vulnerability” for other countries, Fernandez said. This would become more apparent as demand for minerals such as lithium, used in batteries, rises as countries looked to lessen energy dependencies and cut greenhouse gas emissions, he added. “If we are successful [with the projects], then we will start making a dent and moving a needle on what is now a vulnerability,” he said. Fernandez said the partnership was “not about excluding anyone”. “It’s not about monopolising any supplies. It is about just diversifying our supply chains,” he added. A report from the International Energy Agency in 2021 found that China processes 50 per cent to 70 per cent of lithium and cobalt, and nearly 90 per cent of rare-earth elements. Chinese companies have made substantial investments in Australia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Indonesia, the IEA noted. In April Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said clean-energy supply chains were at risk of being “weaponised” in the way oil was during the 1970s or gas has been since Russia invaded Ukraine. Fernandez said reason why some countries had joined the partnership was because they had already been “victims of the weaponisation” of minerals. The partnership’s members include Australia, Japan, the UK, Germany, France, Korea, Canada and the EU. A report from the OECD said China was at the forefront of expanding export restrictions on critical minerals. Beijing increased the number of restrictions on critical raw materials needed for electric cars and renewable energy, such as lithium, cobalt and manganese, by a factor of nine in the 11 years to 2020, the research said. Fernandez said the minerals partnership was focused on higher environmental, social and governance standards, amid concerns about issues such as child labour and environmental damage in mining. “The bet is that if, given an alternative that involves the highest environmental principles, the highest engagement with communities, that doesn’t make countries choose between economic growth and environmental degradation, then, given that choice, producing countries will choose to work with our partners. We are testing that right now.” None of the shortlisted projects involved deep-sea mining despite growing interest by some countries in extracting battery metals from the ocean floor. This includes Norway, where the government is preparing plans to open a wide area of ocean to deep-sea mining. Fernandez said he discussed deep-sea mining briefly with politicians in Oslo on his visit there, but the US was taking a “precautionary” approach until more study on effects was conducted.

@Carlos Danger @Gringos @$12!

Thoughts and prayers for anyone that stands in the way of the gringos energy security

 

[timb89]

Geo, you have to give us more than that. From my sources things are very high stressed and at a make or break point, not positive, not necessarily negative, but in the end game now.
Basically my understanding is looking for a TO and the bargaining chip is "give us an adequate $$$ or we will continue these court cases" (they definitely do not want to battle court for all these years).

The only positive is if you've heard further rumours of a good TO bid?

Quick question, didn't you say your source was a former employee? How former?

 

[Azzler]

Geo, you have to give us more than that. From my sources things are very high stressed and at a make or break point, not positive, not necessarily negative, but in the end game now.
Basically my understanding is looking for a TO and the bargaining chip is "give us an adequate $$$ or we will continue these court cases" (they definitely do not want to battle court for all these years).

The only positive is if you've heard further rumours of a good TO bid?

If there is anything in what geo said, they have the sense not to post details that the enemy might use against us.
Just nod and move on.

 

[Retrobyte]

Geo, you have to give us more than that. From my sources things are very high stressed and at a make or break point, not positive, not necessarily negative, but in the end game now.
Basically my understanding is looking for a TO and the bargaining chip is "give us an adequate $$$ or we will continue these court cases" (they definitely do not want to battle court for all these years).

The only positive is if you've heard further rumours of a good TO bid?

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Quick question, didn't you say your source was a former employee? How former?

No, not me. That was someone else

 

[BEISHA]

Agreed, it's completely counter productive IMO.

Publicly identifying the DRC as a corrupt environment for mining investment is at best an altruistic gesture, a public service more in keeping with the role of NGOs primarily motivated by concerns for the downtrodden. Whereas investors are primarily in the business of money, not love.

At worst, such spamming presents as personal therapy sessions for embittered investors, or losers. It may make them feel better but that's about all. To unrelated readers it reflects more on the poster then their intended targets.

Would appreciate if one of these spammers could explain exactly how they figure such a negative campaign directly benefits AVZ, as it pertains to resolving our current plight.

Maybe I'm missing something so feel free to enlighten me because right now I ain't feeling it.

"Publicly identifying the DRC as a corrupt environment for mining investment is at best an altruistic gesture,"

Rubbish, DRC is a corrupt environment and should be publicly shamed...........with FACTS , and there is plenty !

"At worst, such spamming presents as personal therapy sessions for embittered investors, or losers"

Personal therapy ? I call it fighting back .....

One thing is for sure, we are certainly losers atm, so is the DRC locals, the only entities that are not losers are the wankers who receive brown paper bags, but i am hoping those wankers get their karma over time........

Would appreciate if one of these spammers could explain exactly how they figure such a negative campaign directly benefits AVZ, as it pertains to resolving our current plight.

Negative campaign ? I beg to differ once again, these so called spammers are highlighting the TRUTH METRE, they are fighting for our rights, they are applying the guilt treatment .......thats a positive in my eyes

The only thing negative about this shameful saga is the corrupt entities wanting to steal a project they had no interest in un til AVZ proved it up with hundreds of millions of long term holders hard earned.

I say to the spammers..............carry on, lather it on thick with facts for as long as you can, cause in the end, AVZ fate will be determined by ICSID & ICC, or a white knight from US / Europe willing to take us out for a decent price!

FUCK YOU ...........DRC govt/ ZIJIN ( CHYNA ) / COM/ wanker CONG

 

[9cardomaha]

Mate Everytime you sprout something like this, something worse happens

 

[aon]

Dave, he's a party boy , if you had attended some of the AVZ meet and greets over the years and noticed who 'worked the room best', you might think differently, as for his other passions everyone has their quirks. jstmythrts

ps as for anchors (Dijon), well 12 bucks sounds just dandy as starting points go, but it will be more like 2-3 bucks at best in the next 12 mths in the real world that I live in, if its higher than that someone deserves a Fg medal.
Dijon, make sure you hit me up for something special if you are remotely closer than me matee.

Great to see everyone's confidence this week is on the mend. aon

Sometime back now I forgot to mention for those that might hv been curious, that previously Deboss (tse) reached out to contact me here on this forum mb however it was back room lounge stuff, it was on the quiet , he didn't give me much thou, In fact I thought immediately at the time he was only a mere shadow of his former 'go-getter self' that I had met at a Melbourne meet & greet a few years back now.

Deboss, early days frequently posted on crapr and complemented the likes of 8horse, mining, columbo & so many other icons of the day, it was a real boiler room of tag team posters in those days, like a pack of wolves or sharks in a feeding frenzy I thought, as I guess many others probably still recall.

The question I have for some of our more formidable sleuths here is (my apol if this has already been discussed) has anyone determined how many shares he actually sold prior to TH? .

Anyway, don't mind me, just thinking out loud probably nothing really. Hope all here have a great day.

The posts and much of the humour here I think are really great to help pass the time until something substantial is given up by Fergusson & co.

 

[geo_au]

At this stage it is counter productive to shame the DRC. Suggest those angry souls wait and see how it pans out before berating the DRC as it will have a detrimental affect on all the good work of our BoD.

 

[Frank]

 

[Xerof]

At this stage it is counter productive to shame the DRC. Suggest those angry souls wait and see how it pans out before berating the DRC as it will have a detrimental affect on all the good work of our BoD.

Please explain what the good work of our BoD has been to date.

We officially know nothing.

Nods, winks, and vague statements saying everything is alright don't cut the mustard. All we have so far is pineapples and graterwanks

 

[GuruDukun]

At this stage it is counter productive to shame the DRC. Suggest those angry souls wait and see how it pans out before berating the DRC as it will have a detrimental affect on all the good work of our BoD.

Bitter pill to swallow for some.