Samus
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Was hopeful he might implicate JFMK.
AVZ Discussion 2022
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just a quick one:
DRC: Vidiye Tshimanga acquitted (lawyer)
Friday, December 23, 2022 - 1:40 p.m.
Vidiye Tshimanga. Ph. Third Party Rights.
The Kinshasa/Gombe Peace Court acquitted the former special adviser to Félix Tshisekedi in strategic matters, vidiye Tshimanga. The information is confirmed to ACTUALITE.CD by his master lawyer Clément Ilunga. The judgment was rendered this Friday, December 23, 2022.
The public prosecutor had requested 3 years of penal servitude against Vidiye Tshimanga. The latter was prosecuted for influence peddling, corruption and insulting the Head of State, following a video showing him visibly negotiating income with alleged investors by promising them his involvement in obtaining the contract. The lawyers of Vidiye Tshimanga considering that the acts reproached to their client being committed abroad, they had raised the denial of jurisdiction of the court seized. The denial of jurisdiction is an exception raised by the parties to demonstrate that the court seised has no material, territorial or personal jurisdiction to hear the case.
As a reminder, Vidiye Tshimanga was placed in pre-trial detention on September 21 by the General Prosecutor's Office at the Kinshasa/Gombe Court of Appeal before being granted provisional release a few days later.
Ivan Kasongo
RDC : Vidiye Tshimanga acquitté (avocat)
Le Tribunal de paix de Kinshasa/Gombe a acquitté l'ancien conseiller spécial de Félix Tshisekedi en matière stratégique, vidiye Tshimanga. L'information est confirmée à ACTUALITE.CD par son avocat maîtres ClÉment Ilunga.actualite.cd
Thats the biggest cop out I've ever heard, caught red handed he was, what difference does it make where!
Hopefully his acquittal was conditional on him spilling the beans on some others on the take.
If not then, the DRC justice system is a sham.
Just like any justice system, there are always technicalities. I would really not like being those that follow after in court. I believe that the outcry by the people due to this decision will make the courts extremely tougher.
What urges a person with thousands of posts on the crapper to all of a sudden feel the need to start a line of negative comments on AVZ as a non holder ?
Never posted on AVZ previously, out of the blue has an axe to grind for what purpose.
Are they bullies or bullied at school or have a small dick, just don’t understand what possesses an individual to feel the need to chime in when I doubt they would understand the complexities of how we’ve arrived at where we are.
Seen it before and seems as one disappears another emerges.
Wish they would get a fucking life !!!
Never posted on AVZ previously, out of the blue has an axe to grind for what purpose.
Are they bullies or bullied at school or have a small dick, just don’t understand what possesses an individual to feel the need to chime in when I doubt they would understand the complexities of how we’ve arrived at where we are.
Seen it before and seems as one disappears another emerges.
Wish they would get a fucking life !!!
Remark
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I know what you mean. For some reason I always thought Tolate was female?
No offence to our lady posters.Not who I was talking about but yes could be some serious issues with that one.I know what you mean. For some reason I always thought Tolate was female?
Just another layer of shit to add to whats been a shitty year.............full of lies, brown paper bags, corruption, ineptitudewow
so best to commit crimes against the country abroad eh
great precedent for others
I aint got much more to say other than i hope that some of these corrupt actors gets whats coming to them next year , AVZ gets what they thoroughly deserve, majority ownership / ML, with all the goodies that flow after that.....and better fortune for the DRC locals.
Lets hope 2023 realises that dream.
Hi All
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a MERRY XMAS & a FUCKING BETTER 2023!!
Take a mental health break and relax with family and friends and thank your lucky stars you dont live in the DRC or Ukraine or any other nation that is governed by dictators / bullies and impoverishes their own people.
Despite high inflation, high interest rates, we still live in the lucky country.... that is AUSTRALIA.
A big thank you to all the posters who have contributed to the AVZ TSE forum , in what has been a very annoying, frustrating, somewhat depressing year.....
Yes, there has been some argy bargy, but in the main, been very respectful and informative, really hoping that some of the posters who have decided to leave TSE have a rethink , but the ego to one side and come back refreshed and eager to contribute to the AVZ cause once again next year.
For any poster who may be bored to the shit house over the festive break, i will be updating some charts on the TRADING OPPORTUNITIES and providing some charting tutorials on the ROBIN HOOD TA EDUCATION for you to peruse if you are that way inclined.
Take care and enjoy the festivities.
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a MERRY XMAS & a FUCKING BETTER 2023!!
Take a mental health break and relax with family and friends and thank your lucky stars you dont live in the DRC or Ukraine or any other nation that is governed by dictators / bullies and impoverishes their own people.
Despite high inflation, high interest rates, we still live in the lucky country.... that is AUSTRALIA.
A big thank you to all the posters who have contributed to the AVZ TSE forum , in what has been a very annoying, frustrating, somewhat depressing year.....
Yes, there has been some argy bargy, but in the main, been very respectful and informative, really hoping that some of the posters who have decided to leave TSE have a rethink , but the ego to one side and come back refreshed and eager to contribute to the AVZ cause once again next year.
For any poster who may be bored to the shit house over the festive break, i will be updating some charts on the TRADING OPPORTUNITIES and providing some charting tutorials on the ROBIN HOOD TA EDUCATION for you to peruse if you are that way inclined.
Take care and enjoy the festivities.
Xerof
Is There Anybody Out There 1979
Protagonist is a complete tosser
everyone, and an even better 2023!
Tell me about it.
My feeling with this stock is it's basically all or nothing now. We either get the chance to develop it and make bank or it goes down to bugger all.
Merry Christmas to all. Hope everyone stays safe and we all have a better 2023.
Rediah
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Thank you all, for your support, for your kindness and keeping everyone motivated. We will resume the fight next year but for now, we shall give our time to our families, friends, and to whoever and whatever we love and cherish and enjoy these moments.
May you all have a blessed festive season, a very Merry Christmas & a safe, heathy, and a prosperous Happy New Year!!!!
(my attempt of the internet meme, I couldnt do topless @ -30c , Calgary)
May you all have a blessed festive season, a very Merry Christmas & a safe, heathy, and a prosperous Happy New Year!!!!
(my attempt of the internet meme, I couldnt do topless @ -30c , Calgary)
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DiscoDanNZ
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Carlos Danger
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So here's where it could get interesting. The process for FIRB is:
If the potential acquirer is a foreign person, or is controlled (20%+) by a foreign person (including a foreign government), it may need to obtain prior clearance from the Federal Treasurer, through the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB). The Treasurer has power to block acquisitions that are contrary to Australia’s national interest, and make disposal orders if the acquisition has happened (see under 3. "Foreign investment regulation" below). In making his decision the Treasurer and FIRB will consult with a range of other government agencies (including competition, taxation, defence and security agencies).
Nigel said at the AGM that the seat on the board was the crucial part of the Yibin Tianyi deal in 2020 that FIRB were against. If Deeland somehow gets over 50% of AVZ shareholders to support them they could spill the board. But the important question is would a new board be approved by FIRB when Deeland are obviously linked to a Chinese company like Zijin?
Especially seeing as giving a Chinese company a seat on the AVZ board was not allowed previously. This could be the reason Zijin are using Deeland which is headquartered in the UK as a surrogate but FIRB would see right through that imo
Deeland are claiming they want to take AVZ off the ASX so FIRB might not even care. The key thing is the deposit isn't in Australia. What FIRB were upset about with Yibin Tianyi was a Chinese government backed entity having a vote on the board of an ASX listed company. If that company isn't listed anymore because it has been bought out then there is no longer a direct concern about 'Australia’s national interest' for FIRB to consider imo
Here's my post on September 8th:
Zijin weren't crashing AVZ's share price to try and devalue AVZ's offer to Cominiere. They were deliberately crashing (through disinformation and imo share sales) the AVZ share price while using Mupande to delay the licence to make a hostile takeover cheaper. The ASX are aware of this and that is why they are happy to let AVZ drift on endlessly in suspension imo
From the AGM:
We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?
A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.
Collusion between all those 3 – namely Zijin, Jin Cheng, CAMI?
A: That would be astute thought
Interview NF mentioned once mentioned once decree issued 10 day period before Court could issue the licence. What happened?
A: This was a misunderstanding. As soon as your documentation was in order and issued, this talk of periods was regarding the ministerial decree. Other steps in way of ML – CAMI have held up the invoicing, illegally in our view.
Key words 'gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way' imo
I remember someone from the German roadshows in April saying that Nigel told them a takeover offer had been made in the past few months but that the board didn't consider it serious. That offer was definitely from Zijin imo. When they got told no by AVZ they proceeded with their backup plan.
Think about the timing of when Zijin began spruiking that they 'bought' the 15% of Dathcom from Cominiere. That alleged event occurred in September 2021 but they didn't start making noise about it until around the time that AVZ got the ministerial decree in May 2022.
If they had moved earlier it may have put the granting of the licence to Dathcom at risk. Now Dathcom legally have the PE all Zijin would need to do if they buy out AVZ is get Mupande to finally calculate the surface rights and register the licence. A process which is meant to have a max of 5 days to happen in the DRC mining code but we have been waiting almost 8 months so far to be completed.
If Zijin are successful in launching a hostile takeover of AVZ they could also drop AVZ's defence against them at the ICC and pay off Cong to legally own 90% of Dathcom. They have no chance of winning at the ICC so I can't see any other reason they haven't officially dropped out yet.
Zijin have made no secret about their plans of moving into the battery value chain. They have the experience in mining and the money to build battery plants but like everyone else they don't have a secure supply of lithium. What better way of securing their goal of whole of supply chain control in renewables than by taking the best resource on earth from under the current market leader CATL's nose. Zijin are determined to get control of Manono whatever the cost.
At the alleged offer price of $1.53 AVZ would be valued at around $5.3b AUD. Add in another $200m for Cominiere, Dathomir and snacks for some DRC officials and Zijin would have it all. Zijin buying 90% of Dathcom for around $5.5b AUD before the mine is even touched would be the acquisition of the century imo
Maybe I've had too many pineapple infused eggnogs for Christmas and am just talking nonsense. Perhaps I would be thinking differently if I was drinking champagne.
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Carlos, enjoyed reading your post and a bit of thought went into it. However, I think Zijin have shot themselves in the foot with the Cominiere sale. They were exposed by the IGF, they went on record backing out of the sale and have a poor record of worker abuse and sticking the finger up at complying with DRC laws. Even though Cominiere were the guilty party according to IGF, not hard to see that Zijin were in it for the steal and Govt would have seen right through that. I’m sure Marius would have also had some words to say to Felix about Zijin’s true intentions.
Even if your theory came to fruition, Felix and the whole DRC Ministry would not let Zijin come within 10 feet of Manono. Would you if you found out they tried to rip your country off to the value of $120m+ plus their poor track record? Leaving the whole battery schematic and vision of the DRC Govt to a company of thieves is not in their best interests and the US would also be in their ear and pull out any potential investments and their current MOU to support the battery value chain initiative with Zambia.
All imo.
Even if your theory came to fruition, Felix and the whole DRC Ministry would not let Zijin come within 10 feet of Manono. Would you if you found out they tried to rip your country off to the value of $120m+ plus their poor track record? Leaving the whole battery schematic and vision of the DRC Govt to a company of thieves is not in their best interests and the US would also be in their ear and pull out any potential investments and their current MOU to support the battery value chain initiative with Zambia.
All imo.
Carlos Danger
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I agree but was just trying to shine a light on Zijin's intentions in this shit show. Let's see what happens. Lions gonna lion.
Yet Mupande was one of the signatories required to grant the decree. I heard this is a fake account.
Another point of interest is the Dathcom JV. The PE has been granted based on the existing JV. If another party moves in, wouldn’t it render this JV dissolved and therefore PE is no longer valid? Can’t just hand a PE over to another entity.
Also AVZI hold all the intellectual property over drill data, feasibility study, mining plan, infrastructure etc. Doubt they would hand this over to anyone on a silver platter.
So would Zijin say need to recommence the whole 5 year process undertaken by AVZ to get where they are today? Think Govt would wait that long when there’s already a party at the table ready to start building the mine.
Then there’s the consideration of offtakes and financing. How long will that take for Zijin to prove all of that and do their own feasibility study?
If Govt grants PE to another entity bypassing all of this after AVZ has done the hard yards for the last five years, goes against everything they are trying to stamp out.
Anyway, just my ramblings while I’m trying to digest the 5kg of food I had today.
Another point of interest is the Dathcom JV. The PE has been granted based on the existing JV. If another party moves in, wouldn’t it render this JV dissolved and therefore PE is no longer valid? Can’t just hand a PE over to another entity.
Also AVZI hold all the intellectual property over drill data, feasibility study, mining plan, infrastructure etc. Doubt they would hand this over to anyone on a silver platter.
So would Zijin say need to recommence the whole 5 year process undertaken by AVZ to get where they are today? Think Govt would wait that long when there’s already a party at the table ready to start building the mine.
Then there’s the consideration of offtakes and financing. How long will that take for Zijin to prove all of that and do their own feasibility study?
If Govt grants PE to another entity bypassing all of this after AVZ has done the hard yards for the last five years, goes against everything they are trying to stamp out.
Anyway, just my ramblings while I’m trying to digest the 5kg of food I had today.
Carlos Danger
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It's not a fake account imo
I agree with everything else you say but Mupande currently holds the keys to the kingdom. He may be a clown but he has repeatedly proven that he has the ability to win over the crowd no matter who the king is.
Jesters do oft prove prophets
Your line of thinking seems logical. Something along these lines could well be the way this ends.
The Chinese want to control and mine Manono. The Chinese are not spending time and money delaying this project and participating in a misinformation campaign for months on end for no reason. We know they really want it.
When I try to figure out why people are doing things I always look at what they have to gain. Whoever is circulating this "Deeland offer" information seems to be anti AVZ. If they were a simple troll would it not be more likely that they would say "this is going to 5c/zero etc" rather than quoting a price around all time high share price (although Manono is worth far more)? If they were simply trying to troll people and inflict maximum pain and stress, then you would think they would get more enjoyment putting forward the potential of holders losing all their money. The fact that they have quoted a much higher price makes me suspect that this is something different, although I do not know exactly what. What I do know is that the Chinese are circling this project and looking for a way to obtain it. They ARE up to something.
The article I read was worded in such a way that this offer appeared like a good way out for long suffering shareholders. The Chinese have put so much effort into making it seem like this project will never get off the ground, many shareholders on this forum and elsewhere are disillusioned. This creates an environment where a much lower offer seems better than it really is.
I would much prefer if the mining licence was able to be granted and then we said to them, ok $3.
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