AVZ Discussion 2022

Fantastic update by management on Friday. They have definitely shut me up in regards to the time since their last communication to shareholders about certain matters.

After allowing the weekend for the announcement to sink in, as well as reading the opinions of others here and elsewhere, my thoughts on the issues facing AVZ are as follows.

Zijin Arbitration

Just because Zijin have withdrawn their dodgy initial claim doesn't mean they have given up on bidding for the 15%. I think they are using the time that it will take for the ICC to go through the case management stage and possibly proceed further as an opportunity to try and figure out how to still get something out of the situation. They are dreaming imo.

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The tweets deleted by Christian Lukusa (screenshots below) were in relation to the offer made by AVZ to Cominiere. It is interesting that his tweet about Zijin being out of Dathcom is still up but everything about AVZ's proposal was removed. Perhaps this was more than the market was supposed to know at this point hint hint.

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Boatman

The announcement was a massive warning to Boatman. Basically a cease and desist mixed in with notice that legal action is being considered for their actions earlier this year. The length and detail of the rebuttal of Boatman's claims is also directed at the wider market to set the record straight ahead of suspension ending. A great move by management imo.

Media and Social Media Commentary

I think this is about the constant regurgitation of Boatman's false claims by their hoodrats on Twitter and the forums. Also directed to established journalists at the AFR and other major outlets that decided to parrot Boatman's narratives without allowing AVZ a right of reply before publishing.

I personally hope it's not also about people whinging that management weren't putting out updates or someone getting translations of interviews wrong 🤣

Mining Licence

No update about the license was given but I'm sure if management had something they could say about it in this announcement they would have. In general I feel like we are close to getting it based off the changing of our application status on CAMI's website, media reports out of the DRC and what others are saying in this forum. However I am wary that we have been a few weeks away from the imminent grant of the license for around a year now.

Suspension

Everything about the announcement points to a resumption of trading soon imo. There was really no reason for management to cover that much detail about things that were claimed 4 months ago if we are just going to stay in suspension for another few months. This type of information is best used fresh in peoples minds when we are once again engaged in the battle between bids and asks.

À vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire
 
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Fantastic update by management on Friday. They have definitely shut me up in regards to the time since their last communication to shareholders about certain matters.

After allowing the weekend for the announcement to sink in, as well as reading the opinions of others here and elsewhere, my thoughts on the issues facing AVZ are as follows.

Zijin Arbitration

Just because Zijin have withdrawn their dodgy initial claim doesn't mean they have given up on bidding for the 15%. I think they are using the time that it will take for the ICC to go through the case management stage and possibly proceed further as an opportunity to try and figure out how to still get something out of the situation. They are dreaming imo.

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The tweets deleted by Christian Lukusa (screenshots below) were in relation to the offer made by AVZ to Cominiere. It is interesting that his tweet about Zijin being out of Dathcom is still up but everything about AVZ's proposal was removed. Perhaps this was more than the market was supposed to know at this point hint hint.

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Boatman

The announcement was a massive warning to Boatman. Basically a cease and desist mixed in with notice that legal action is being considered for their actions earlier this year. The length and detail of the rebuttal of Boatman's claims is also directed at the wider market to set the record straight ahead of suspension ending. A great move by management imo.

Media and Social Media Commentary

I think this is about the constant regurgitation of Boatman's false claims by their hoodrats on Twitter and the forums. Also directed to established journalists at the AFR and other major outlets that decided to parrot Boatman's narratives without allowing AVZ a right of reply before publishing.

I personally hope it's not also about people whinging that management weren't putting out updates or someone getting translations of interviews wrong 🤣

Mining Licence

No update about the license was given but I'm sure if management had something they could say about it in this announcement they would have. In general I feel like we are close to getting it based off the changing of our application status on CAMI's website, media reports out of the DRC and what others are saying in this forum. However I am wary that we have been a few weeks away from the imminent grant of the license for around a year now.

Suspension

Everything about the announcement points to a resumption of trading soon imo. There was really no reason for management to cover that much detail about things that were claimed 4 months ago if we are just going to stay in suspension for another few months. This type of information is best used fresh in peoples minds when we are once again engaged in the battle between bids and asks.

À vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire
Nice summary Carlos . At this point I'm more concerned about the Cong/Dathomir case . As we know we've never held the Cominiere 15% and as I understand it has no bearing on whether we get the ML or not . The Dathomir 15% is a trickier matter imo as it will pull us back to 60% and could then bring up issues with the Cath deal . A 3 day verdict is now 2 weeks overdue. In terms of Zijin . Personally I never thought they would quietly go away . These pricks are going to keep at it until they either get want they want or have used up all their scheming and dodgy tactics . IMO
Regards to coming out of suspension soon . Is there a possibility we could start trading again without the ML in hand ? I'm still
going with Fox and Nellie's predictions , but it's important to look at different scenarios .
 
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Bin59

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There seems to have been a change where “X” is … can someone else check/confirm please?

3 September … purple square is there

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From memory the top “block” of three had been shown as Minocom? (now missing) with the two lower blocks shown as Cominiere - previously they were all solid purple blocks indicating exploration permits, now the remaining two Cominiere blocks are clear with purple borderlines indicating them as “application” for a research permit. 🤔

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Netoo posted another series of tweets 1-17 last night, here’s the first if you wish to follow them (until the whole lot is posted as one piece).

 
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Netoo posted another series of tweets 1-17 last night, here’s the first if you wish to follow them (until the whole lot is posted as one piece).


Here’s the rest of his Tweets: (2-17)

Standard Lithium (USA) in Q4-22 (i think) they are now in Court defending defamation lawsuit. Boatman report had two of the same arguments (showing partial info. and providing outdated info.) as in Blue Orca report, amongst other nasty allegations

Nobody, cognitive and sane, denies the decline from $1.32 to .78 @th was from the fear of the false Dathomir and Commenier claims. Boatman instrumented and misled a large portion of retail shorters and a few institutional shorters caught off guard by the TH.

AVZ has repeatedly stated they are legal 75% owner so why the TH? Rather pay up the surface rights to CAMI and get the rubber stamp for the licence to mine. This is preempting. IMO CAMI has sent the surface rights bill to AVZ for 36 or 51% ownership.

Nigel knew this day would come ("he will deal with it when he reaches the bridge" - by stating "or else we will go to the Court to get it (ML)" during the Canter Fitzgerald fireside chat interview in Nov-21 during the first 10 min. (please watch again).

That really got my attention why would MD use such a scary word "go to Court" (to a global and US audience) a few weeks after a cornerstone CATH deal is secured! Nigel was right, the inertia within the DRC corruption cleansing mega task was holding him back.

Now the surface rights bill (a few thousand USD is to be paid on 36, 51 or 75. Whatever number is picked from these three gets "written on stone" and is legally binding & which importantly determines the major shareholder(s) of Dathcam for the next 51 years.

Nowhere for Dathcom to go as the brakes are applied by the CAMI to a screeching halt for a determination to be made that monetarily affects all shareholders (AVZ hit hardest) and hence the trading halt (incl. ASX legal requirements)...

It is okay to rush through the process in a hush hush manner for a 51% (#Zijing being out) majority ownership and get the licence, get the $240 million from CATH and rest of debt funding, release the FDI, followed by BFS (catapulted the SP) and go mining...

A professionally run entity that has a monster-beast in resource (quantity, quality, purity, at surface) & for a mineral (lithium) whose super-cycle began in early 2020 catapulted by the thematic macro backdrop, never rushes into ownership establishment. ...

It takes as much time and money as reasonably needed to address the root cause(s) so it never has the "soil and water" to reemerge in such predicament. This is what $AVZ $AZZVF ticker is going through and BoD wants it just this way.

... if Boatman and other serious Instos. shorters get third-degree life threatening burns (instead of first and second) from this TH fire, then so be it.

...AVZ will take all the necessary time to resolve each and every (even if a minor admin. or proactive legal concern) issue, nailing the coffin of corruption with #DRC's full support, one nail at a time, until the last one has been hammered deep.

And if this takes 2 months or 6 or 12 or 15 (but < 24) - it does NOT (and should not) matter. What is important here is to set the precedent (for the first time in the "new" DRC) that foreign orgs. are now welcome with their knowledge, experience & money.

... darling community, do not worry unnecessarily, we are NOT losing time. The project is accelerating the day lithium super cycle began to this day, when man-camp is getting built, crane machinery is getting on-site, engineering tenders are preworked out...

... roads and bridges getting repaired, and important studies (ESG, Collab., power plant, SEZ, etc.) and expansion scenarios (Li2H, PLS) are getting completed (early $79M cap. raise) to be legally released after ML. So, yes no one is losing time, sit tight.

Caution: These 17 messages are my own interpretation of facts subjected to various perceptions from professional experience. This is not financial advice on $AVZ or $AZZVF or to defame Blue Orca and Boatman, other than use of public info sources.

(End of the 17 tweets)
 
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cruiser51

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Here’s the rest of his Tweets: (2-17)

Standard Lithium (USA) in Q4-22 (i think) they are now in Court defending defamation lawsuit. Boatman report had two of the same arguments (showing partial info. and providing outdated info.) as in Blue Orca report, amongst other nasty allegations

Nobody, cognitive and sane, denies the decline from $1.32 to .78 @th was from the fear of the false Dathomir and Commenier claims. Boatman instrumented and misled a large portion of retail shorters and a few institutional shorters caught off guard by the TH.

AVZ has repeatedly stated they are legal 75% owner so why the TH? Rather pay up the surface rights to CAMI and get the rubber stamp for the licence to mine. This is preempting. IMO CAMI has sent the surface rights bill to AVZ for 36 or 51% ownership.

Nigel knew this day would come ("he will deal with it when he reaches the bridge" - by stating "or else we will go to the Court to get it (ML)" during the Canter Fitzgerald fireside chat interview in Nov-21 during the first 10 min. (please watch again).

That really got my attention why would MD use such a scary word "go to Court" (to a global and US audience) a few weeks after a cornerstone CATH deal is secured! Nigel was right, the inertia within the DRC corruption cleansing mega task was holding him back.

Now the surface rights bill (a few thousand USD is to be paid on 36, 51 or 75. Whatever number is picked from these three gets "written on stone" and is legally binding & which importantly determines the major shareholder(s) of Dathcam for the next 51 years.

Nowhere for Dathcom to go as the brakes are applied by the CAMI to a screeching halt for a determination to be made that monetarily affects all shareholders (AVZ hit hardest) and hence the trading halt (incl. ASX legal requirements)...

It is okay to rush through the process in a hush hush manner for a 51% (#Zijing being out) majority ownership and get the licence, get the $240 million from CATH and rest of debt funding, release the FDI, followed by BFS (catapulted the SP) and go mining...

A professionally run entity that has a monster-beast in resource (quantity, quality, purity, at surface) & for a mineral (lithium) whose super-cycle began in early 2020 catapulted by the thematic macro backdrop, never rushes into ownership establishment. ...

It takes as much time and money as reasonably needed to address the root cause(s) so it never has the "soil and water" to reemerge in such predicament. This is what $AVZ $AZZVF ticker is going through and BoD wants it just this way.

... if Boatman and other serious Instos. shorters get third-degree life threatening burns (instead of first and second) from this TH fire, then so be it.

...AVZ will take all the necessary time to resolve each and every (even if a minor admin. or proactive legal concern) issue, nailing the coffin of corruption with #DRC's full support, one nail at a time, until the last one has been hammered deep.

And if this takes 2 months or 6 or 12 or 15 (but < 24) - it does NOT (and should not) matter. What is important here is to set the precedent (for the first time in the "new" DRC) that foreign orgs. are now welcome with their knowledge, experience & money.

... darling community, do not worry unnecessarily, we are NOT losing time. The project is accelerating the day lithium super cycle began to this day, when man-camp is getting built, crane machinery is getting on-site, engineering tenders are preworked out...

... roads and bridges getting repaired, and important studies (ESG, Collab., power plant, SEZ, etc.) and expansion scenarios (Li2H, PLS) are getting completed (early $79M cap. raise) to be legally released after ML. So, yes no one is losing time, sit tight.

Caution: These 17 messages are my own interpretation of facts subjected to various perceptions from professional experience. This is not financial advice on $AVZ or $AZZVF or to defame Blue Orca and Boatman, other than use of public info sources.

(End of the 17 tweets)
The surface rights have to be paid over 100% of an exploration permit to be able to commence mining.
The ML over exploration license 13359 has been handed, by ministerial decree, to Dathcom.

Dathcom, being the 100% holder of Exploration License 13359, has to pay 100% of the surface rights.

The talk of 36, 39, 49, 51, 60, 66, 75, 90, 100 (yes pluck a fucking duck), is about ownership of Dathcom and not who pays what to CAMI.
Dathcom is the ONLY institution which pays CAMI surface rights of 100% over Exploration License/Mining License 13359, so it can commence mining.

All IMO of course.
 
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Do we actually have any idea why the ML is being delayed? None of the ASX announcements seem to call out what the issue is correct?

All the ownership debates seem to be addressed as a separate issue in the annons and there only seems to be theories around how they might link to the ML hold up.

Has there been anything solid (either in an ASX annon or from Momentum) that I have missed that indicate what the cause of the delay/hold on the surface rights/ML are? Or is it really all just speculation?
 

cruiser51

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Do we actually have any idea why the ML is being delayed? None of the ASX announcements seem to call out what the issue is correct?

All the ownership debates seem to be addressed as a separate issue in the annons and there only seems to be theories around how they might link to the ML hold up.

Has there been anything solid (either in an ASX annon or from Momentum) that I have missed that indicate what the cause of the delay/hold on the surface rights/ML are? Or is it really all just speculation?
Read the last AVZ ASX announcement from Friday.
Oops sorry.
 
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Good timing and follow up by the US.

 
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Good timing and follow up by the US.

[Fingers crossed. The timing is ominous.] Correction, thanks Sam - The timing is AUSPICIOUS 🙏
 
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This could be significant IMO.

Fingers crossed.
 

Samus

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:unsure:

auspicious? ;)

adjective: ominous
giving the worrying impression that something bad is going to happen; threateningly inauspicious.
"there were ominous dark clouds gathering overhead"
:eek:

Ominous for the Chinese!
 
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I am sorry, USA sniffing around the DRC as well is good for AVZ how exactly?
 

Winenut

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I am sorry, USA sniffing around the DRC as well is good for AVZ how exactly?
support in governance and anti corruption
 
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Winenut

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I am sorry, USA sniffing around the DRC as well is good for AVZ how exactly?
and a strong supportive bilateral alternative to the Chinese option of rape and pillage....
 
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USA is a strong chance to invest IMO.
A USA investment/commitment may steer the ship in another direction altogether.

A USA investment would also put a rocket under the SP, IMO.
 
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Great day today….. couple of Tuna with a nice snack.
No snacks on twitter but FM HC has gone to shit😂😂
@MoneyBags1348 i need some burley… wanna come 😂😂👍👍
 

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