BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Diogenese]

I am so proud!

First time round, I missed the face detection on the right.

Face, taste, vibration ...
In cabin detection?

 

[jtardif999]

The other day someone suggested Brainchip only had one product.

I think this is an inappropriate way to look at AKIDA technology.

AKIDA technology is at its heart a neural processing engine (NPE) AKD1000/AKIDA 1.0 whatever name you want to give it is made up of 80 of these Neural Processing Units (NPUs).

AKD1000 is designed to allow for 64 x AKD1000 to be ganged together and this would then be a semiconductor of 5,120 NPU’s

Brainchip has said they could if needed gang 1,024 AKD1000 chips together making a total of 81,920 NPU’s.

Renesas licenced just two nodes or 8 NPE’s.

Anil Mankar stated at the 2021 Ai Field Day that you could do keyword spotting with just one node if you did not have latency concerns but 1.5 to 2 nodes would likely be desirable and referenced Renesas.

MegaChips licensed an 80 NPU AKD1000 IP.

Edge Impulse is comparing AKD1000 with a GPU.

So my point is Brainchip does not have just one semiconductor it has on its IP shelf 81,920 variants of that semiconductor IP which can be sold for an ultra low powered single purpose MCU right through to a computing task requiring the computing power of 81,920 NPUs or 1,024 AKD1000 chips.

1,024 AKD1000 chips would give you the computing power of 1,024 GPUs for a total cost of $25,600 being 1,024 x $25.00.

As Peter van der Made said in his Pitt Street Research interview in 2021 ‘we are only just getting started.’

Something further occurred to me which if you doubt my proposition may convince you.

If you look up Intel’s Loihi 1 & 2 you will see the actual manifestation of what I am alluding to as they start with two Loihi chips to make their base product USB then gang together in different numbers to create further variants of Loihi with different Hawaiian names right up to their attempt at a full blown neuromorphic server and claim each one as a separate distinct product.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

I’m going to mess up your math FF. Akida1.0 has 80 nodes and each node has 4 NPUs. Everywhere you refer to the number of NPUs can be multiplied by 4

 

[Fact Finder]

Not necessarily direct competition, since I cannot vouch for the capability of the thing doing the AI in that device... merely shared, because it does sound like something Akida is particularly good at.

Hi @wilzy

The following indicates that whatever TDK are using it is not AKIDA and it is far from as advanced in fact it is primitive in comparison:

“We also plan to further mature the embedded edge AI to enable it to continuously learn the situation at the point of installation and make autonomous decisions, thereby evolving the module to be able to support the types of advanced decision-making required at the forefront of integration.”

They are planning to have a plan without a timeframe.

They are silent on battery life. They also say they are in the throws of improving the battery which is a strange thing to say as you release a product.

I think we should hold close what the CEO Sean Hehir said at the AGM about claims being made that do not come near the AKIDA science fiction.

As you know it was Edge Impulse who used Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology not Sean Hehir but I just like saying it because it is well ‘SCIENCE FICTION.’

Anyway that’s the last time I will use Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology until the next time I use it.

Did I mention how being Science Fiction makes the Patents stronger and easier to defend.

You just have to love being SCIENCE FICTION.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Boab]

Those who harness the beast best…win !

In the final paragraph above, I suggest that it’s no longer Akida, or if you’re using it that must remain a secret. Like the colt from Old Regret, Akida has got away. It hasn’t just escaped…it’s bolted into the marketplace. If anyone either directly or indirectly associated with the tech world still hasn’t heard of it by now, they must be living under a rock.

The secret that must now be kept under absolute wraps until your product at least hits the market, is how you’re applying the science fiction that is Akida.

It’s no longer a question of if you’re using it…but how.

This is why companies at CES are only talking in big picture language, devoid of any details or specifics about how they are gunna achieve what they’re talking about. Even Mercedes realise, that to reveal anymore than what they said last year, is giving their competitors too much of a heads-up on what they’re doing.

Everybody will eventually use Akida in some way or another. Those first to market will certainly gain an advantage, but it’s those who apply it’s ‘secret sauce’ in the most innovative, imaginative, ingenious, inventive way, who’ll be the big winners over their competitors.

’If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds of brilliance…
yours is the earth and everything in it’...Rudyard Kipling.

Your enthusiasm is infectious. Love it.

 

[Fact Finder]

I’m going to mess up your math FF. Akida1.0 has 80 nodes and each node has 4 NPUs. Everywhere you refer to the number of NPUs can be multiplied by 4

So you think I am a down ramper.

 

[wilzy123]

They are silent on battery life. They also say they are in the throws of improving the battery which is a strange thing to say as you release a product.

Absolutely, which is why it pays to scrutinise these things (as you have).

 

[VictorG]

And another dot to put on the radar

I am happy to share my latest publication on the Neuromorphic version of Canny Edge Detector implemented with a Spiking Neural Network of conductance based leaky-integrate-and-fire neurons from my… | Krishnamurthy Vemuru

I am happy to share my latest publication on the Neuromorphic version of Canny Edge Detector implemented with a Spiking Neural Network of conductance based leaky-integrate-and-fire neurons from my work in the recent past at Riverside Research. Thank you Riverside Research for the encouragement...

www.linkedin.com

 

[VictorG]

Hi @wilzy

The following indicates that whatever TDK are using it is not AKIDA and it is far from as advanced in fact it is primitive in comparison:

“We also plan to further mature the embedded edge AI to enable it to continuously learn the situation at the point of installation and make autonomous decisions, thereby evolving the module to be able to support the types of advanced decision-making required at the forefront of integration.”

They are planning to have a plan without a timeframe.

They are silent on battery life. They also say they are in the throws of improving the battery which is a strange thing to say as you release a product.

I think we should hold close what the CEO Sean Hehir said at the AGM about claims being made that do not come near the AKIDA science fiction.

As you know it was Edge Impulse who used Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology not Sean Hehir but I just like saying it because it is well ‘SCIENCE FICTION.’

Anyway that’s the last time I will use Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology until the next time I use it.

Did I mention how being Science Fiction makes the Patents stronger and easier to defend.

You just have to love being SCIENCE FICTION.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

Enough with the Science Fiction, we need more cowbell

 

[Boab]

Why Luminar's CEO is running over fake kids in a Tesla at CES

Austin Russell is trying to prove that automotive-safety systems with lidar — the technology at the core of his company — are safer than those without.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Tothemoon24]

CES - Health Ai / Booth 24

Sunburn suffering .

In search of a good nights sleep .
Take 1x 50mg viagra approximately 1hr before bed.

Please note : this will not cure the sunburn but it will keep the sheets off your skin .

 

[TechGirl]

Hi @wilzy

The following indicates that whatever TDK are using it is not AKIDA and it is far from as advanced in fact it is primitive in comparison:

“We also plan to further mature the embedded edge AI to enable it to continuously learn the situation at the point of installation and make autonomous decisions, thereby evolving the module to be able to support the types of advanced decision-making required at the forefront of integration.”

They are planning to have a plan without a timeframe.

They are silent on battery life. They also say they are in the throws of improving the battery which is a strange thing to say as you release a product.

I think we should hold close what the CEO Sean Hehir said at the AGM about claims being made that do not come near the AKIDA science fiction.

As you know it was Edge Impulse who used Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology not Sean Hehir but I just like saying it because it is well ‘SCIENCE FICTION.’

Anyway that’s the last time I will use Science Fiction to describe AKIDA technology until the next time I use it.

Did I mention how being Science Fiction makes the Patents stronger and easier to defend.

You just have to love being SCIENCE FICTION.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Fact Finder]

I have a lot to do today up at the lake house so this will probably be last post but I truly recommend you open this link and read what product is being offered as a direct competitor to Brainchip and Nviso for in cabin monitoring of driver fatigue and attention then at the end of the article click on the link to obtain price comparisons for this product. While reading the prices keep firmly in mind that AKIDA1.0 costs $25.00 Australian and Nviso is simply software so pricing is clearly very flexible for volume sales.

Then ask yourself why would they bother???

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

AI looks for sleepy drivers | Electronics Weekly

Artificial intelligence computer vision company Seeing Machines has teamed up with Analog Devices to create an in-vehicle driver fatigue and driver

www.electronicsweekly.com

As Molly would have said ‘Do yourself a favour.’ and open this link and the price comparison.

 

[VictorG]

Wow, with their prices up in the $20k range. I would be shorting their stock.

 

[Diogenese]

I’m going to mess up your math FF. Akida1.0 has 80 nodes and each node has 4 NPUs. Everywhere you refer to the number of NPUs can be multiplied by 4

Hi jtardif999,

The Akida 1000 SoC has 20 nodes, each node has 4 NPUs, but this is somewhat academic, as we no longer make the SoC. The Akida IP can be implemented in 2 nodes, up to 256 nodes.

Products - BrainChip
https://brainchip.com/products/
Download the Akida 1.0 product brief:

Scale down to 2 nodes (@ 1Ghz = 1 TOPS) for ultra low power or scale up to 256 nodes (@ 1Ghz = 131 TOPS) for complex use cases.
...
Every node consists of four Neural Processing Units (NPUs), each with scalable and configurable SRAM. Within each node, the NPUs can be configured as either convolutional or fully connected. The Akida neural processor is event based – leveraging data sparsity, activations, and weights to reduce the number of operations by at least 2X.

Note that the web page from which the product brief can be downloaded contains an inconsistent use of the word "node" in that it suggests that 1024 nodes are possible, whereas the Product brief makes it clear that 256 nodes is the maximum:

"Infer and learn at the edge with Akida’s fully customizable event-based AI neural processor. Akida’s scalable architecture and small footprint boosts efficiency by orders of magnitude – supporting up to 1024 nodes that connect over a mesh network."

 

[Xhosa12345]

Enough with the Science Fiction, we need more cowbells

Nup, more sci fi, this is where the big bucks are....!!

Although money is not really a thing in the federation... but ill be happy with some bars of gold pressed latinum !

 

[Boab]

Wow, with their prices up in the $20k range. I would be shorting their stock.

Am I reading it wrong. Each Unit costs around $7-10 with 2500 units around $20,000??

 

[VictorG]

Am I reading it wrong. Each Unit costs around $7-10 with 2500 units around $20,000??

No, i read it wrong. I suck at being a shorter.

 

[TasTroy77]

Those who harness the beast best…win !

In the final paragraph above, I suggest that it’s no longer Akida, or if you’re using it that must remain a secret. Like the colt from Old Regret, Akida has got away. It hasn’t just escaped…it’s bolted into the marketplace. If anyone either directly or indirectly associated with the tech world still hasn’t heard of it by now, they must be living under a rock.

The secret that must now be kept under absolute wraps until your product at least hits the market, is how you’re applying the science fiction that is Akida.

It’s no longer a question of if you’re using it…but how.

This is why companies at CES are only talking in big picture language, devoid of any details or specifics about how they are gunna achieve what they’re talking about. Even Mercedes realise, that to reveal anymore than what they said last year, is giving their competitors too much of a heads-up on what they’re doing.

Everybody will eventually use Akida in some way or another. Those first to market will certainly gain an advantage, but it’s those who apply it’s ‘secret sauce’ in the most innovative, imaginative, ingenious, inventive way, who’ll be the big winners over their competitors.

’If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds of brilliance…
yours is the earth and everything in it’...Rudyard Kipling.

Does this mean that at the end of this year @Realinfo that you won't have to shout us lunch at "The Briars " 1

 

[Fact Finder]

Am I reading it wrong. Each Unit costs around $7-10 with 2500 units around $20,000??

No you are reading it correctly across all the distributors average cost is around $US8.00.

Nviso was running multiple Apps doing lots of in cabin monitoring of all passengers and using only 5% of AKIDA 1.0 capacity.

On this basis just driver fatigue and distraction would be easily run on a couple of nodes which is 8 NPEs so a car company could pick up AKIDA IP and Nviso for less than $1.50 possibly $1.00.

Eight times less costly but with the additional opportunity to upgrade in the various makers models right up through Nviso’s 20 or 24 Apps which include medical health monitoring as well as passenger monitoring etc;

Brainchip AKIDA is killer Science Fiction.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Boab]

No you are reading it correctly across all the distributors average cost is around $US8.00.

Nviso was running multiple Apps doing lots of in cabin monitoring of all passengers and using only 5% of AKIDA 1.0 capacity.

On this basis just driver fatigue and distraction would be easily run on a couple of nodes which is 8 NPEs so a car company could pick up AKIDA IP and Nviso for less than $1.50 possibly $1.00.

Eight times less costly but with the additional opportunity to upgrade in the various makers models right up through Nviso’s 20 or 24 Apps which include medical health monitoring as well as passenger monitoring etc;

Brainchip AKIDA is killer Science Fiction.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

Many thanks for the explanation.
I have to remember Akida can do many things at the same time.
Cheers