This was Spinal Tap?Looks like the Martians have started building their own Stonehenge just left of the mast.
Hi @Frangipani,
You mention you don’t expect neuromorphic technology in any MB serial production cars in the near future.
If that's the case, I'm just curious as to what you make of Mercedes' statement as quoted within Sally Ward-Foxton's article "Cars That Think Like You"? thought the quote indicated it would not be all that far off into the future, hence the use of the word "just" in the expression "just a few years".
I'd have thought that given the article was published on 22 September 2022, we are now getting closer to the point where "just a few years' will have expired and in addition to this, it doesn't seem all that inconceivable, at least in my opinion, for MB to utilise BrainChip's technology in the nearer-term, particularly given TENN's and the recent launch of Pico.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
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Hi Krustor,
IMO that link - which originally connected to the MB Jan 3, 2022 press release titled Vision EQXX - taking electric range and efficiency to an entirely new level
(now to be found under https://media.mbusa.com/releases/re...range-and-efficiency-to-an-entirely-new-level) - simply links to the general Mercedes media/press release page, so it also happens to link to that ESG Conference 2024 livestream these days. It’s not a deliberate link by Brainchip to that particular event on March 20.
Schönen Abend noch,
Frangipani
I am well familiar to the BRN-homepage since years. This link to a March 20 event is absolutely new and is not connected only to the Jan. 2022 release. It is indeed connected to the march 20 2024 event.
I have absolutely no hope for a Release or something of this kind because of it. I just find that interesting. Lets see. Thats all.
Schönen Abend dir auch
No reason to discuss with you: There was no previous link - neither to any Merc page directly nor to this countdown.
No matter how many lines you want to write and try to state the opposite: Not the way you want is to believe here.
This is also not meant to adresse you personally as we all know how this ends... greets to @Fact Finder
Wouldn’t loose sleep over it..Coincidentally, my Wayback Machine research regarding the VISION EQXX also came up with proof that @Krustor wasn’t as familiar with the BrainChip website as he claimed back in March - turns out there had in fact been a link to MB on that BrainChip webpage for over a year prior to his rude reply to me, despite him insisting there hadn’t been any previous link:
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Hi @Bravo,
the statement by Mercedes-Benz that Sally Ward-Foxton quoted in said September 2022 article was plucked straight from the 3 January 2022 VISION EQXX press release (https://media.mbusa.com/releases/re...range-and-efficiency-to-an-entirely-new-level), so it is now almost three years old.
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However, that press release is nowhere to be found on the official webpage dedicated to the VISION EQXX (https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovation/technology/vision-eqxx.html) - surprisingly, there is no reference to neuromorphic computing at all on that page.
This equally holds true for the German version of the VISION EQXX webpage: https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/produktinnovation/technologie/vision-eqxx.html
In fact, there hasn’t been any reference whatsoever to neuromorphic computing on that webpage since April 4, 2022, as I was able to establish thanks to the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org - a cool internet archive that I stumbled upon the other day, which allows you to “Explore more than 916 billion web pages saved over time”): I can go back to the German version of that webpage and see that on 1 April 2022, MB still mentioned “Elemente der Benutzeroberfläche unterstützen die nahtlose Interaktion zwischen Fahrer und Fahrzeug. Unter anderem durch Künstliche Intelligenz (KI), die die Funktionsweise des menschlichen Gehirns nachahmt.” (“Elements of the user interface support seamless interaction between driver and vehicle. This includes Artificial Intelligence (AI) which mimics the way the human brain works.”) The webpage’s content was soon after replaced with a new text dated 4 April 2022 that no longer referred to brain-inspired/neuromorphic AI whatsoever. It has since been updated with links to articles about the VISION EQXX’s second and third long distant road trips over 1000 km in June 2022 (Stuttgart to Silverstone) and March 2024 (Riyadh to Dubai).
It is anyone’s guess why MB decided to no longer mention that the keyword spotting in their VISION EQXX concept car had been exceptionally energy-efficient due to it having been implemented on a neuromorphic chip (let alone on which one specifically), although they obviously continue to take great interest in this disruptive tech.
Did they possibly come to realise that it would take much longer to implement neuromorphic technology at scale than originally envisioned? Either from a technical perspective and/or from a legal one (automotive grade ISO certification etc)?
Did they at the time possibly not foresee the growing number of competitors in the neuromorphic space besides BrainChip and Intel that could equally be of interest to them and which they would now first like to explore in depth before making any far-reaching decisions?
I also happened to notice that the reference to the VISION EQXX on https://brainchip.com/markets has been deleted. Thanks to the Wayback Machine, we can tell that this must have happened sometime between mid-July and August 25.
The question is: Why was that reference (consisting of a picture of the MB concept car that we know utilised Akida as well as the relevant press release excerpt) taken down from the BrainChip website?
Doesn’t this strike you as odd, despite the Mercedes logo still being displayed on our landing page under “YOU’RE IN GOOD COMPANY”?
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And how about the other points I raised in previous posts, such as
- the word potential in “positioning for a potential project collaboration with Mercedes” showing up in a 2023 BrainChip summer intern’s CV, which - as I already argued in January - suggested to me that Mercedes must have been weighing their options and were evaluating more than one neuromorphic processor last year? (Well, I feel vindicated, since they certainly were, as evidenced by MB’s recent announcement regarding research collaborations with both Intel and other consortium members of the NAOMI4Radar project (based on Loihi 2) on the one hand and with the University of Waterloo on the other hand, where the research will be led by Chris Eliasmith, who is co-founder and CTO of Applied Brain Research, a company that recently released their TSP1, which is “a single-chip solution for time series inference applications like real-time speech recognition (including keyword spotting), realistic text-to-speech synthesis, natural language control interfaces and other advanced sensor fusion applications.”) https://www.appliedbrainresearch.co...lution-for-full-vocabulary-speech-recognition
- the June 2024 MB job listing for a “Working student position in the field of Machine Learning & Neuromorphic Computing from August 2024” that mentioned “working with new chip technologies” and “deployment on neuromorphic chips”?
- the below comment by Magnus Östberg (“We are looking at all suitable solutions!”) after a BRN shareholder had expressed his hope that MB would be implementing BrainChip technology into their vehicles soon?
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- the fact that we are not the only neuromorphic tech company that has the Mercedes-Benz logo prominently displayed on their website or on public presentation slides?
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- the fact that earlier this year Innatera’s CEO Sumeet Kumar got likes on LinkedIn from two of the MB neuromorphic engineers - Gerrit Ecke and Alexander Janisch - after suggesting MB should also talk to Innatera regarding neuromorphic computing?
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- the reference to NMC (neuromorphic computing) being considered a “möglicher Lösungsweg” (possible/potential solution) in the recent presentation at Hochschule Karlsruhe by MB engineer Dominik Blum
(https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-439352) and the table with several competing neuromorphic hardware offerings in one of his presentation slides titled “Neuromorphic computing is a young field of research … with a lot of open questions, e.g.:”
And then there is also a recent Master’s thesis sort of connected to MB’s neuromorphic research (more on that later, as posts have a limit of 10 upload images) that strengthens my belief that MB are still weighing their options…
Lots of points raised that cannot simply be glossed over and that suggest to me Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic technology at scale into serial cars.
Interested to hear your or anyone else’s thoughts on those points.
Sean are we there yet? Are we there yet Sean? Hey Sean, are we there yet?Sean need to address his share holders as this is just about enough for everyone.
It’s been months since the AGM
It meant to happen before years end yet next week is November and nothing
We deserve to be updated Sean
Is it just me or do others feel this way
I am just feeling disappointed atm
Hopefully this will pass I am usually more positive
Hi @Bravo,
the statement by Mercedes-Benz that Sally Ward-Foxton quoted in said September 2022 article was plucked straight from the 3 January 2022 VISION EQXX press release (https://media.mbusa.com/releases/re...range-and-efficiency-to-an-entirely-new-level), so it is now almost three years old.
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However, that press release is nowhere to be found on the official webpage dedicated to the VISION EQXX (https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/product-innovation/technology/vision-eqxx.html) - surprisingly, there is no reference to neuromorphic computing at all on that page.
This equally holds true for the German version of the VISION EQXX webpage: https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/produktinnovation/technologie/vision-eqxx.html
In fact, there hasn’t been any reference whatsoever to neuromorphic computing on that webpage since April 4, 2022, as I was able to establish thanks to the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org - a cool internet archive that I stumbled upon the other day, which allows you to “Explore more than 916 billion web pages saved over time”): I can go back to the German version of that webpage and see that on 1 April 2022, MB still mentioned “Elemente der Benutzeroberfläche unterstützen die nahtlose Interaktion zwischen Fahrer und Fahrzeug. Unter anderem durch Künstliche Intelligenz (KI), die die Funktionsweise des menschlichen Gehirns nachahmt.” (“Elements of the user interface support seamless interaction between driver and vehicle. This includes Artificial Intelligence (AI) which mimics the way the human brain works.”) The webpage’s content was soon after replaced with a new text dated 4 April 2022 that no longer referred to brain-inspired/neuromorphic AI whatsoever. It has since been updated with links to articles about the VISION EQXX’s second and third long distant road trips over 1000 km in June 2022 (Stuttgart to Silverstone) and March 2024 (Riyadh to Dubai).
It is anyone’s guess why MB decided to no longer mention that the keyword spotting in their VISION EQXX concept car had been exceptionally energy-efficient due to it having been implemented on a neuromorphic chip (let alone on which one specifically), although they obviously continue to take great interest in this disruptive tech.
Did they possibly come to realise that it would take much longer to implement neuromorphic technology at scale than originally envisioned? Either from a technical perspective and/or from a legal one (automotive grade ISO certification etc)?
Did they at the time possibly not foresee the growing number of competitors in the neuromorphic space besides BrainChip and Intel that could equally be of interest to them and which they would now first like to explore in depth before making any far-reaching decisions?
I also happened to notice that the reference to the VISION EQXX on https://brainchip.com/markets has been deleted. Thanks to the Wayback Machine, we can tell that this must have happened sometime between mid-July and August 25.
The question is: Why was that reference (consisting of a picture of the MB concept car that we know utilised Akida as well as the relevant press release excerpt) taken down from the BrainChip website?
Doesn’t this strike you as odd, despite the Mercedes logo still being displayed on our landing page under “YOU’RE IN GOOD COMPANY”?
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And how about the other points I raised in previous posts, such as
- the word potential in “positioning for a potential project collaboration with Mercedes” showing up in a 2023 BrainChip summer intern’s CV, which - as I already argued in January - suggested to me that Mercedes must have been weighing their options and were evaluating more than one neuromorphic processor last year? (Well, I feel vindicated, since they certainly were, as evidenced by MB’s recent announcement regarding research collaborations with both Intel and other consortium members of the NAOMI4Radar project (based on Loihi 2) on the one hand and with the University of Waterloo on the other hand, where the research will be led by Chris Eliasmith, who is co-founder and CTO of Applied Brain Research, a company that recently released their TSP1, which is “a single-chip solution for time series inference applications like real-time speech recognition (including keyword spotting), realistic text-to-speech synthesis, natural language control interfaces and other advanced sensor fusion applications.”) https://www.appliedbrainresearch.co...lution-for-full-vocabulary-speech-recognition
- the June 2024 MB job listing for a “Working student position in the field of Machine Learning & Neuromorphic Computing from August 2024” that mentioned “working with new chip technologies” and “deployment on neuromorphic chips”?
- the below comment by Magnus Östberg (“We are looking at all suitable solutions!”) after a BRN shareholder had expressed his hope that MB would be implementing BrainChip technology into their vehicles soon?
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- the fact that we are not the only neuromorphic tech company that has the Mercedes-Benz logo prominently displayed on their website or on public presentation slides?
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- the fact that earlier this year Innatera’s CEO Sumeet Kumar got likes on LinkedIn from two of the MB neuromorphic engineers - Gerrit Ecke and Alexander Janisch - after suggesting MB should also talk to Innatera regarding neuromorphic computing?
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- the reference to NMC (neuromorphic computing) being considered a “möglicher Lösungsweg” (possible/potential solution) in the recent presentation at Hochschule Karlsruhe by MB engineer Dominik Blum
(https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-439352) and the table with several competing neuromorphic hardware offerings in one of his presentation slides titled “Neuromorphic computing is a young field of research … with a lot of open questions, e.g.:”
And then there is also a recent Master’s thesis sort of connected to MB’s neuromorphic research (more on that later, as posts have a limit of 10 upload images) that strengthens my belief that MB are still weighing their options…
Lots of points raised that cannot simply be glossed over and that suggest to me Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic technology at scale into serial cars.
Interested to hear your or anyone else’s thoughts on those points.
Hmm ...Excellent research !...all I would say is, yes, of course Mercedes Benz are testing every available ground-breaking technology, and yes we are still engaged based on the fact I was told they were a client...if we aren't currently engaged with Mercedes well then, the company needs to be held to account for misrepresentation on our home page...Please email the sales team in the US to clarify the current position.
Speculation can be silenced very quickly.
Regards...Tech.
Hi Frangipani
I believe BRN has just remapped the website
Designing Smarter and Safer Cars with Essential AI
Essential AI shaping car design. BrainChip revolutionizes automotive technology. Explore our page for insights.brainchip.com
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Catched up on HC… interesting paper tho
I’m just back to get some ammunition and holy water…. And something else…. If you see Yoda, tell him he should move his ass!
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The point is that he might not be up to date on the latest developments. Neither regarding BrainChip, nor Intel, because he no longer works there. I can easily imagine that internally at Intel he was already acting like a know-it-all. He’s just an Intel lohi fanboy who wants to talk down BrainChip. Additionally, maybe he’s a shorter? Who knows. His profile say “investor” maybe he is investing in an other company trying to down ramp openly? DH
Look……I don’t think they’ve got a smarter solution than our nice beautiful brains, okay? Huuuuuge difference. But………., never mind, to each their own …right? That’s true …We’re not living in a planned economy..We’re not living in little Rocket Man’s land!
BUT EVERYONE, BELIEVE ME, EVERYONE WILL WANT A PIECE OF OUR BRAIN… they’ll come… because it’s the only real brain… beautiful brain! AND OUR BRAIN WILL GET BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN ANY OTHER BRAIN… remember my words… it’s true!
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Walking into a bar and seeing a certain forum member.
Excellent research !...all I would say is, yes, of course Mercedes Benz are testing every available ground-breaking technology, and yes we are still engaged based on the fact I was told they were a client...if we aren't currently engaged with Mercedes well then, the company needs to be held to account for misrepresentation on our home page...Please email the sales team in the US to clarify the current position.
Speculation can be silenced very quickly.
Regards...Tech.
A video going along with that paper was uploaded to YouTube yesterday:
Both paper and video relate to another paper and video published by the same Uni Tübingen authors earlier this year. At a cursory glance, at least the videos (posted about six months apart) appear to be VERY similar:
https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-416900
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Now compare the slides to those in the video uploaded October 3:
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In fact, when I just tried to cursorily compare the new paper to the March 15 paper that @Fullmoonfever had linked at the time (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-416313), I discovered that the link he had posted then now connects directly to this new paper, published on September 16, so it seems to be an updated version of the previous paper.
I did notice the addition of another co-author, though: Sebastian Otte, who used to be a PhD student and postdoc at Uni Tübingen (2013-2023) and became Professor at Uni Lübeck’s Institute for Robotics and Cognitive Systems just over a year ago, where he heads the Adaptive AI research group.
To put the results that our competitors’ neuromorphic offerings fared worse in the benchmarking tests alongside Akida somewhat into perspective:
In all fairness, it should be highlighted that Akida’s superiority was at least partly due to the fact that AKD1000 is available as a PCIe Board, whereas SynSense’s DynapCNN was connected to the PC via USB and - as the excerpt Gazzafish already posted shows - the researchers did not have direct access to a Loihi 2 edge device, but merely through a virtual machine provided by Intel via their Neuromorphic Research Cloud. The benchmarking would obviously yield better comparable results if the actual hardware used were of a similar form factor:
“Our results show that the better a neuromorphic edge device is connected to the main compute unit, e.g., as a PCIe card, the better the overall run-time.”
Anyway, Akida undoubtedly impressed the researchers, and as a result they are considering further experiments: “(…) future work could involve evaluating the system with an additional Akida PCIe card.”
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In an earlier post (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-426404), I had already mentioned that the paper’s first author, Andreas Ziegler, who is doing a PhD in robotics and computer vision at Uni Tübingen, has meanwhile completed his internship at Sony AI in Switzerland (that - as we know - partially funded the paper’s research):
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Fun fact: One of his co-authors, Karl Vetter, however, is no longer with Uni Tübingen’s Cognitive Systems Lab, but has since moved to France, where he has been working as a research engineer for…
Neurobus for the past three months!
It’s a small world, isn’t it?!
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