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Just thinking on this a little more spurred on by @Realinfo and his competitor challenge.
When you read the fine print about this robot walking experiment it was part funded by DARPA which to me suggests Nvidia would be aware Jetson Nano was being used and of the fundamental weakness their technology was found to have.
If your technology has a fundamental weakness and there is a solution available do you ignore it?
Nvidia has a passing knowledge of ARM and would also know that Brainchip is rating number one in relevance and perhaps the clock is ticking.
Just idle over coffee thoughts.
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ARM CPUs predicted to hit 30% PC market share by 2026
By Sean Endicottpublished about 4 hours ago
An industry analyst firm predicts ARM chips will surge in popularity sooner rather than later.
What you need to know
- ARM-powered PCs will make up 30% of the PC market by 2026, according to market analyst firm Canalys.
- The same firm predicts that half of cloud processors will be ARM-based by 2026 as well.
- Apple transitioned to ARM processors recently and Windows 11 on ARM has gained momentum this year.
Almost one out of every three PCs will run on an ARM processor by 2026, according to market analyst firm Canalys (via DigiTimes). Additionally, the firm predicts that half of cloud processors will be ARM-powered by that same year.
"By 2026, not 2050 but 2026, four years from now, half of the cloud processors will be ARM-based, 30% of PCs will be ARM-based," said President and CEO of Canalys Steve Brazier. "It is an extraordinary event and an industry-changing event that simply has not been taken seriously enough.
ARM chips have dominated the cellphone market for years, but they didn't see a significant push in the PC space until Apple transitioned to its own ARM-based processors. Windows on ARM has been around for a while but didn't start gaining major momentum until this year.
Lenovo's ThinkPad X13s is one of the latest Windows 11 on ARM laptops. (Image credit: Future)
It's important to note that the prediction counts all personal computers as PC. That may seem like a strange clarification, but many people refer to devices running Windows as PCs and count Macs separately, at least in casual conversation — think back to the "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ad campaign. In the context of ARM increasing its market share within the PC space, Canalys refers to Windows computers, Macs, and Chromebooks as "PCs."
Lumping these types of devices together as PCs is standard practice for analysis and when measuring market share. For example, Apple held a 13.5% PC market share in Q322, according to IDC.
In order to reach a 30% PC market share by 2026, ARM processors would have to grow in use across Windows devices, Macs, and Chromebooks. Apple's ARM-based chips have earned a solid reputation, so it's reasonable to assume they'll continue to do well. The bigger question marks surround Windows on ARM PCs.
The launch of Windows 11 and Microsoft's other recent efforts have improved the ARM-based PC market. The company's flagship Surface Pro 9 is available in both Intel and ARM variants. What could turn the tide further is the release of Qualcomm's Nuvia-based processors, which were announced this week under the name "Oryon."
A recent report claimed that the Nuvia-based chips are "extremely promising." Those processors aren't set to come out until 2024, so we'll have to wait a while to see what impact they'll have on the PC market.
ARM CPUs predicted to hit 30% PC market share by 2026
An industry analyst firm predicts ARM chips will surge in popularity sooner rather than later.
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von Neumann on roids.
EP3557425A1 ACCELERATOR AND SYSTEM FOR ACCELERATING OPERATIONS - aiMotive
An accelerator and a system for accelerating operations are disclosed. A respective apparatus comprises an interface configured to couple the apparatus to an interconnect, a plurality of processing modules, each configured to process data, a control module configured to control processing of each of the plurality of processing modules, and a cache module configured to store at least a portion of data processed by at least one of the plurality of processing modules. Each processing module further includes a processing core configured to process data by performing an operation on the data using a plurality of processing elements, an input control unit configured to retrieve data via the interface and data stored in the cache module and to provide the retrieved data to the processing core, and an output control unit configured to provide data processed by the processing core to the interface and the cache module.
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Hey All,
I was just reading through this article on Arm and have highlighted some of the "good bits", but one thing that really caught my eye was the project that was mentioned called Scalable Open Architecture for Embedded Edge (Soafee). I found this youtube video on SOAFEE and think it may be worth watching if anyone has the time or the inclination. As you can see from one of the slides there are some interesting companies involved in this project.
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I was just reading through this article on Arm and have highlighted some of the "good bits", but one thing that really caught my eye was the project that was mentioned called Scalable Open Architecture for Embedded Edge (Soafee). I found this youtube video on SOAFEE and think it may be worth watching if anyone has the time or the inclination. As you can see from one of the slides there are some interesting companies involved in this project.
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Arm relishes competition from open-chip architectures
The rise of a RISC-V, an open-standard processor, is good for the market, according to an executive at Arm.
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Is Qualcomm to be considered a competitor? They have put substantial effort into developing their own SNN... which is good enough for the latest Snapdragon Gen 2 to sound like it has similar attributes to Akida? I'm pretty much all in with Brainchip and as enthusiastic as anybody here to see them succeed.... but hearing that phone manufacturers prefer to use Snapdragon's AI, seeing that Valeo is also working with Qualcomm etc... it has had me doubting the research that I've done on BRN? Probably just nervous jitters as I am so invested? And I'm hoping it's just the product development timelines in industry.. and maybe products like Snapdragon were a little ahead of us in manufacturer development cycles?
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So Stellantis is taking the autonomous driving software stack aiDrive in house, but allowing aiWare silicon microchips as well as aiSim and aiData to be sold to competitors ... not all that surprising as far as aiWare (silicon microchips) is concerned.Does anyone know if we have a link to aiMotive? They're a Hungarian tech comapny and Stellantis have just bought them to enahnce artificial inteligence and ADAS. They are to focus on four key areas: aiDrive, an embedded software stack for autonomous driving; aiData, which covers AI operations and data tooling; aiWare, which concentrates on silicon microchips; and aiSim, which is software simulation for the development of autonomous driving.
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Maybe they know of another silicon microchip which is better than aiWare as far as AD is concerned?
aiData is involved in training NNs, so, if you don't want the NN, you don't need the trainer.
aiSim - why would you want to simulate a dud NN microchip?
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Nov 17, 2022,01:30am EST
Intel Fab 42 - Ocotillo Campus In Chandler, Arizona
Late last year, the US Department of Defense (DOD) put in motion a program called RAMP-C (Rapid Assured Microelectronics Prototypes – Commercial). The goal of this program is to help create state-of-the-art commercial semiconductor design, foundry and fabrication services with access for critical DOD systems and infrastructure. In the process, the US DOD awarded Intel an agreement to provide commercial chip foundry services in the first phase of this program. In-turn Intel Foundry Services (IFS) will be working with key partners such as Synopsys, to provide quantifiably assured design tools, IP and design services that will assure the DOD the security it needs to manufacture on Intel’s leading-edge commercial manufacturing nodes.
As part of Intel’s USMAG (US Military Aerospace and Government) Alliance, which was formed to enable a trusted US chip design ecosystem for IFS, Synopsys will supply the DOD and other US government branches with a comprehensive set of Electronic Design Automation (EDA) tools, proven IP blocks and quantifiably-assured secure design services that are required. This is no small feat since historically US military, aerospace and government entities have trailed the silicon fab process curve, due to these strict security assurance requirements and their relatively low volume demand precluding them from being able to take advantage of high volume, cutting-edge commercial chip fab processes.
Synopsys Headquarters - Mountainview, CA
These high cost/low volume dynamics put GF in a position that it couldn’t offer an assured fab process in costly, more modern nodes. However, Intel Foundry Services committed to offering the US DOD’s RAMP-C program the modern fab process technologies it needs, while partnering with industry ecosystem partners such as Synopsys to enable chip design and prototyping on Intel’s most advanced 18A process node.
And so, as we’re beginning to learn, it takes much more than just the major fab and process commitment that Intel is providing for the US government, aerospace and defense branches, though that too of course is a many billions of dollars investment. Rather, an entire EDA tools, IP and design ecosystem needs to be cultivated for this effort, and Synopsys will be a key enabler of this new leading-edge, US-based Intel Foundry ecosystem.
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Synopsys To Play A Key Role In Enabling Intel Foundry Services For US DOD Chip Program
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I cover break-out tech in mobile, on desktop and in the data center.
Nov 17, 2022,01:30am EST
Intel Fab 42 - Ocotillo Campus In Chandler, Arizona
Late last year, the US Department of Defense (DOD) put in motion a program called RAMP-C (Rapid Assured Microelectronics Prototypes – Commercial). The goal of this program is to help create state-of-the-art commercial semiconductor design, foundry and fabrication services with access for critical DOD systems and infrastructure. In the process, the US DOD awarded Intel an agreement to provide commercial chip foundry services in the first phase of this program. In-turn Intel Foundry Services (IFS) will be working with key partners such as Synopsys, to provide quantifiably assured design tools, IP and design services that will assure the DOD the security it needs to manufacture on Intel’s leading-edge commercial manufacturing nodes.
As part of Intel’s USMAG (US Military Aerospace and Government) Alliance, which was formed to enable a trusted US chip design ecosystem for IFS, Synopsys will supply the DOD and other US government branches with a comprehensive set of Electronic Design Automation (EDA) tools, proven IP blocks and quantifiably-assured secure design services that are required. This is no small feat since historically US military, aerospace and government entities have trailed the silicon fab process curve, due to these strict security assurance requirements and their relatively low volume demand precluding them from being able to take advantage of high volume, cutting-edge commercial chip fab processes.
Keeping US Government, Aerospace And Defense Ahead Of The Curve
It may sound crazy but US government and defense requirements for semiconductors have historically relied on dated chip fab technologies; think 90nm (nanometer) in a day and age when mainstream commercial fabless semiconductor companies are building chips on 7nm process technology and below. Again, part of the reason for this is that state-side chip fab partners like Global Foundries have had to provide secure assured design and manufacturing lines for low volume demands from US government entities. Where commercial US chip players like NVIDIA, Qualcomm and others drive upwards of 10K wafer starts per week, US government requirements are typically in the dozens of wafer starts per week range.
Synopsys Headquarters - Mountainview, CA
These high cost/low volume dynamics put GF in a position that it couldn’t offer an assured fab process in costly, more modern nodes. However, Intel Foundry Services committed to offering the US DOD’s RAMP-C program the modern fab process technologies it needs, while partnering with industry ecosystem partners such as Synopsys to enable chip design and prototyping on Intel’s most advanced 18A process node.
Cutting-Edge EDA Tools And IP Are Critical For Enabling Government IFS Support
It’s great that this is all coming together at the same time as the CHIPS Act with Intel Foundry Services, as the US Government also obviously needs to bolster semiconductor manufacturing here state-side, but Intel can’t go it alone in this endeavor. In order to offer “quantifiably assured” design, manufacturing and IP blocks, critical partners like Synopsys, with its DoD Trusted Supplier accredited design services, helps complete the enablement. That enablement consists of many things like Synopsys chip design tools themselves, critical security IP blocks for easy implementation of things like IO and other connectivity technologies, and even specialized redaction technologies with a layer of field programmability that keeps certain aspects of the design secure from even Intel. It could be something as simple as a special frequency the government or military uses, a specialized piece of firmware or any myriad of top-secret aspects of a chip that needs to remain secure throughout the entire semiconductor fab process flow.
And so, as we’re beginning to learn, it takes much more than just the major fab and process commitment that Intel is providing for the US government, aerospace and defense branches, though that too of course is a many billions of dollars investment. Rather, an entire EDA tools, IP and design ecosystem needs to be cultivated for this effort, and Synopsys will be a key enabler of this new leading-edge, US-based Intel Foundry ecosystem.
Synopsys To Play A Key Role In Enabling Intel Foundry Services For US DOD Chip Program
An entire EDA tools, IP and design ecosystem needs to be cultivated for this effort, and Synopsys will be a key enabler of this new leading-edge, US-based Intel Foundry ecosystem.
www.forbes.com
Hi Fenris,
As I said above, Sony committed to Snapdragon before the Prophesee/Brainchip (P/B) engagement was announced. Sony may be locked in to Snapdragon for a defined time period by contract.
Before P/B, prophesee would probably have been working with Snapdargon in conjunction with their Sony project, but when Prophesee found Akida, they praised Akida's performance highly (ne plus ultra) in comparison to other NNs they had worked with.
In my opinion, the extent to which Qualcomm is considered a competitor may be gauged from Prophesee's assessment of Akida.
In the more unfettered regions of my imagination, I can foresee Sony opting for a Prophesee/Akida image processing NN, even though that would leave the Snapdragon NN sitting idly by in the same phone.
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Yep just like when the motor car was introduced. A lot of people still had perfectly good carts that they had just bought so they continued buying horses until they wore out their carts then switched over.
Not having any idea what the Qualcomm Sony contract terms and conditions are I would doubt that it would lock in Sony to included Qualcomm's Snapdragon 8 in every mobile phone it ever makes in perpetuity.
So nothing at all to stop Sony adding a new model to its range that does not include Snapdragon 8 which relies on some new science fiction type technology.
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Synopsys To Play A Key Role In Enabling Intel Foundry Services For US DOD Chip Program
Dave Altavilla
Senior Contributor
I cover break-out tech in mobile, on desktop and in the data center.
Nov 17, 2022,01:30am EST
Intel Fab 42 - Ocotillo Campus In Chandler, Arizona
Late last year, the US Department of Defense (DOD) put in motion a program called RAMP-C (Rapid Assured Microelectronics Prototypes – Commercial). The goal of this program is to help create state-of-the-art commercial semiconductor design, foundry and fabrication services with access for critical DOD systems and infrastructure. In the process, the US DOD awarded Intel an agreement to provide commercial chip foundry services in the first phase of this program. In-turn Intel Foundry Services (IFS) will be working with key partners such as Synopsys, to provide quantifiably assured design tools, IP and design services that will assure the DOD the security it needs to manufacture on Intel’s leading-edge commercial manufacturing nodes.
As part of Intel’s USMAG (US Military Aerospace and Government) Alliance, which was formed to enable a trusted US chip design ecosystem for IFS, Synopsys will supply the DOD and other US government branches with a comprehensive set of Electronic Design Automation (EDA) tools, proven IP blocks and quantifiably-assured secure design services that are required. This is no small feat since historically US military, aerospace and government entities have trailed the silicon fab process curve, due to these strict security assurance requirements and their relatively low volume demand precluding them from being able to take advantage of high volume, cutting-edge commercial chip fab processes.
Keeping US Government, Aerospace And Defense Ahead Of The Curve
It may sound crazy but US government and defense requirements for semiconductors have historically relied on dated chip fab technologies; think 90nm (nanometer) in a day and age when mainstream commercial fabless semiconductor companies are building chips on 7nm process technology and below. Again, part of the reason for this is that state-side chip fab partners like Global Foundries have had to provide secure assured design and manufacturing lines for low volume demands from US government entities. Where commercial US chip players like NVIDIA, Qualcomm and others drive upwards of 10K wafer starts per week, US government requirements are typically in the dozens of wafer starts per week range.
Synopsys Headquarters - Mountainview, CA
These high cost/low volume dynamics put GF in a position that it couldn’t offer an assured fab process in costly, more modern nodes. However, Intel Foundry Services committed to offering the US DOD’s RAMP-C program the modern fab process technologies it needs, while partnering with industry ecosystem partners such as Synopsys to enable chip design and prototyping on Intel’s most advanced 18A process node.
Cutting-Edge EDA Tools And IP Are Critical For Enabling Government IFS Support
It’s great that this is all coming together at the same time as the CHIPS Act with Intel Foundry Services, as the US Government also obviously needs to bolster semiconductor manufacturing here state-side, but Intel can’t go it alone in this endeavor. In order to offer “quantifiably assured” design, manufacturing and IP blocks, critical partners like Synopsys, with its DoD Trusted Supplier accredited design services, helps complete the enablement. That enablement consists of many things like Synopsys chip design tools themselves, critical security IP blocks for easy implementation of things like IO and other connectivity technologies, and even specialized redaction technologies with a layer of field programmability that keeps certain aspects of the design secure from even Intel. It could be something as simple as a special frequency the government or military uses, a specialized piece of firmware or any myriad of top-secret aspects of a chip that needs to remain secure throughout the entire semiconductor fab process flow.
And so, as we’re beginning to learn, it takes much more than just the major fab and process commitment that Intel is providing for the US government, aerospace and defense branches, though that too of course is a many billions of dollars investment. Rather, an entire EDA tools, IP and design ecosystem needs to be cultivated for this effort, and Synopsys will be a key enabler of this new leading-edge, US-based Intel Foundry ecosystem.
Synopsys To Play A Key Role In Enabling Intel Foundry Services For US DOD Chip Program
An entire EDA tools, IP and design ecosystem needs to be cultivated for this effort, and Synopsys will be a key enabler of this new leading-edge, US-based Intel Foundry ecosystem.
Wheels within wheels.
No it was a genuine question. I've been hanging out to see Akida taken up by phone manufacturers... and I also watched the Valeo presentation a (couple of years ago?) and have been waiting for confirmation of Akida... since those questions at the end of the presentation. It's disheartening to then see news of Valeo working with Qualcomm, especially after seeing the majority of phone manufacturers adopting Snapdragon, rather than Akida. It's probably more a case of managing expectations (as has been mentioned on this forum) amongst all the dot joining. In short, I don't appreciate the HC comments, after posing a genuine question... which I'm sure others are contemplating after a long period of no news. This is a forum for discussion after all??
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Further to the post by @TopCat I came across the same information but via the other part of the research team - Argonne National Laboratory
The article has some very pertinent phrasing which I have highlighted further below in red
The post I found was by Peter Skangos who is the Chief Commercial Officer at Information Systems Lab (ISL) - which is directly linked to BrainChip via the Early Access Program (EAP) and "developing an AI-based radar research solution for the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) based on its Akida™ neural networking processor."
“ISL is an innovative technology development company that specializes in creating real world solutions for commercial, national security and energy sectors. We design, engineer and produce state-of-the-art products, as well as provide in-depth research and expert analysis for our customers around the globe. In today’s rapidly evolving world of complex challenges, you can trust ISL to create the customized solutions you need.”
Link to Peter's LinkedIn post here and to the 16/11/2022 Argonne National Lab article here.
The good bits from the Argonne National Labs article:
'Worn routinely, future wearable electronics could potentially detect possible emerging health problems — such as heart disease, cancer or multiple sclerosis — even before obvious symptoms appear. The device could also do a personalized analysis of the tracked health data while minimizing the need for its wireless transmission. “The diagnosis for the same health measurements could differ depending on the person’s age, medical history and other factors,” Wang said. “Such a diagnosis, with health information being continuously gathered over an extended period, is very data intensive.”
Such a device would need to collect and process a vast amount of data, well above what even the best smartwatches can do today. And it would have to do this data crunching with very low power consumption in a very tiny space.
To address that need, the team called upon neuromorphic computing. This AI technology mimics operation of the brain by training on past data sets and learning from experience. Its advantages include compatibility with stretchable material, lower energy consumption and faster speed than other types of AI.'
I searched tse for Argonne and see that @pgetties asked if something else Argonne related was Akida back in early August here
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So, basically what you're saying is:
1. you have no idea what the AI in the recently revealed Snapdragon Gen2 is actually capable of
2. you have no idea how it compares (technically) to Akida
3. you are claiming that "phone manufacturers prefer to use Snapdragon's AI" - presumably all of them as part of that claim? Or just some?
I am not sure how you can doubt your own research and presumably your 'so invested' stake in BRN without answers to these things.......
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Hi @TopCat & @thelittleshort
Well if it’s good enough for Peter to ‘celebrate’ the Edge Impulse integration of AKIDA it is little enough for me to celebrate your respective research and generous sharing here.
I followed your ‘here’ and found the following:
Now given what company Peter Skangos has been liking and celebrating it makes sense that the prize ISL won during the Urban Mobility Challenge had to involve a certain AKIDA neuromorphic computing architecture.
Science fiction and outer space exploration seem tailor made for each other.
Which reminds me I read a headline in last few days to the effect that one of the anti missile systems deployed in the Ukraine by the USA had achieved 100% stop rate on Russian missiles. It did not occur to read further than the headline as I was focused on something else at the time.
My opinion only DYOR
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The missing statistic in this fear of Qualcomm is that ARM chips power over 90% of all mobile phones including the iPhone which does not use Snapdragon 8.
My opinion only DYOR
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PS: Did I forget to mention Brainchip is an ARM partner for mobile phones.
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Woah, slow down. That's a lot of DD/research to swallow all at once. Let me wallow in the absence of facts a little longer and then broadcast my fear in a post every few days. This feels like a better use of my (and someone elses?) time and money.
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16 Nov 2022 - 15:03
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US NASAMS air defence system 100% successful: Washington
US-provided NASAMS air defence systems have had a 100 percent success rate in Ukraine intercepting Russian missiles, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said.Austin, speaking at the start of a routine virtual meeting of several defence ministers on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, said the United States would work with Poland to gather more information on the explosion, but he did not assign blame.
On Tuesday, a missile landed in a Polish border village, resulting in two people’s deaths.
Initial investigations have found that the missile was likely to have come from Ukraine’s air defence systems
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