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alwaysgreen
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Looking forward to listening to the podcast. About to go on a drive for an hour so perfect timing.
Unfortunately won't be able to take notes but will relay anything that really stands out.
Unfortunately won't be able to take notes but will relay anything that really stands out.
Learning
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Hi TopCat,
I don't have the technology knowledge to answer your question.
But what I gather is Virtual hardware is cloud base, eg, a certain software could run on ARM hardware (date centre) and fee it back to the original software. So if that's is the case, Akida IP could integrate in to ARM hardware. So software can run it virtually.
That's just me on my basic understanding. So I can be wrong.
Some of our technical members can explain better.
Learning
buena suerte :-)
BOB Bank of Brainchip
wilzy123
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Essentially, yes.
Virtualised hardware is basically software that mimics hardware based resources/services. You can run virtualised hardware locally on your own device or you could also have it provisioned to you via the internet - that's one of the key benefits of virtualisation.... it's ability to be easily distributed and not be limited (to a large extent) to a physical location.
Learning
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Thanks Wilzy123, so it’s possible to bundle Akida up in an app and download it to a smart phone or would it be a bit more involved/complex than that?
wilzy123
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Exactly! Or even have it embedded in the phone operating system (i.e. Android or iOS) - which is again, software.
Virtual hardware is a software simulation of a chip. It is a program that runs on a computer and performs the same functions as the chip, given the same inputs.
BrainChip's MetaTF includes a software simulation of Akida.
The problem with running the Akida simulation programme on another processor is that you lose much of the speed advantage while using more power compared with the Akida chip. It is there for learning/development/demonstration purposes.
wilzy123
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True - which may still be sufficient - I guess it all comes down to application / requirements.
Dhm
Regular
But playing devils advocate here, that isn’t primarily what we are after because our forte is edge sensor inference and processing on chip without the need of cloud computing. I guess we can’t be all the solutions for all the problems.
That takes us back to the Studio days.
You have to understand that they are in a win win/no lose situation. They bad mouth BRN on it's decline as that is easy to point out possible reason. When they ann something substantial and the SP starts to rocket they then can say at the time of posting/publishing they were correct. When things go good they can then say it's a buy now because of XYZ. Then they look like they know what they're doing. It's basically tabloid journalism but in a investor sense. Look at their track record you can see it all the time. Any company like MF is the same. When they get it right, they are gods, when they get it wrong, its because of the market, the war the whatever. Same as posters here sometimes lol. But the difference is they unfortunately get paid to do what we do for free.Yes you're probably right, they'll be bleating about something else when revenue kicks in. I long for the day when we can make MF eat humble pie
wilzy123
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There will be some money collected upfront for the licensing agreement ... then royalties are payable to BRN when an item with Akida in it is sold. Akida will be part of another component, and will likely attract a royalty as a percentage of the selling price of that component or a fixed amount per use within the design.
As I understand it, this is essentially the same/similar to the ARM IP model.
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Dhm
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I seem to remember in the half yearly numbers a couple of $1 million dollar licence fees from (was it) MegaChips. And the ARM model is similar? But what if a smaller company with lesser aspirations wanted to use Akida for say, a small family owned home security company. Would they pay a scaled down licensing fee to ARM based on their future revenue projections?
Stable Genius
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Hi Dhm,
I would expect the Large OEM’s such as Megachips would be paying the fee for the license and put Akida in a SOC to put in for example a security camera for which we also get a royalty.
The security camera company would badge the camera as theirs and sell them to the smaller family owned company to use. They wouldn’t pay a licensing fee.
But I’m not in the industry so that’s a guess!
Fact Finder
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Why not. I want it all.
I expect that it will work this way:
1. Prospective customer has a system on a chip or a chiplet or an FPGA and they like the idea of additional AKIDA functionality for voice.
2. They download from ARM AKIDA in software and trial it with sample customers at the same time saying we can bring this to you as part of our next hardware offering where we will also deliver ‘x’ power and ‘x’ latency improvements if your interested.
3. Customers say great they say thanks ARM we are keen and so ARM chucks some AKIDA IP into the customers System on a Chip, Chiplet or FPGA and Brainchips their uncle.
4. This dramatically reducing the design and adoption cycle times as discussed in todays podcast.
My technophobe opinion only so wait till @wilzy123 or @Diogenese says it makes sense.
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Stable Genius
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I’m surprised no one’s done the 1% math yet on ARM’s 1/4 figures.
7B - 1% = 70 000 000
Times 20c (cheap) = $14M
14M x 4 (quarters) = 56M
Not sure how that equates to a share price but I’m guessing it would be more than now!
Feel free to fix any errors!
7B - 1% = 70 000 000
Times 20c (cheap) = $14M
14M x 4 (quarters) = 56M
Not sure how that equates to a share price but I’m guessing it would be more than now!
Feel free to fix any errors!
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