AVZ Discussion 2022

[BEISHA]

Well in my view Wombat, CATH gave us the $20million (US dollars no less) to fight the cases in arbitration, they also proposed a JV partnership and proposed an arrangement where they pay for the project’s development. CATH also offered us an option to purchase up to 49% in a lithium hydroxide or carbonate conversion plant built by them. Remember CATH is in partnership with CATL, the world’s biggest lithium battery manufacturer.

What have KoBold offered us, fuck all. They’re mouthing off all over the place about how great they are and how they are negotiating with the DRC. The only mention they give us is a questionable reference to us being in a legal dispute.

With the help of the DRC, they illegally tried to access our core library without AVZ’s permission, and they have shown they are desperate to get ownership of Manono but won’t come out with any sort of reasonable offer.

It’s absolutely laughable to suggest that the US wants to develop the Lobito Corridor and bring peace as an act of benevolence, they are just desperate for the critical minerals and Roche Dure’s 842million tonnes of 1.61% Lithium Oxide

They were no where to be found when we were looking to secure litigation funding but once CATH gave it to us KoBold came scurrying out of the woodwork with bold statements talking themselves up

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It’s absolutely laughable to suggest that the US wants to develop the Lobito Corridor and bring peace as an act of benevolence, they are just desperate for the critical minerals and Roche Dure’s 842million tonnes of 1.61% Lithium Oxide


Yep , fair post and the articles below just emphasises how desperate the US equation is regards to critical minerals.

How Trump dealt himself a dud hand on rare earths

China now dominates the entire rare earths ecosystem, refining around 90 per cent of all coveted elements. It leaves Trump's America particularly vulnerable, as the Albanese government proposes a national stockpile.

www.abc.net.au

Immediate Measures to Increase American Mineral Production

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 301 of title 3, United

www.whitehouse.gov

It certainly explains the critical mineral hunt the Trump administration has been hell bent on pursuing in recent months ( UKRAINE, GREENLAND, AFRICA / DRC )

Its a pretty simple scenario for me, if the US ( KOBALD )wants Manono and hence compete with China in the lithium space, pay fair price, dont tight arse cause their critical mineral future is on the line and Manono can certainly help them out big time!

I also believe KOBALD should be trying to TO Manono in its entirety ( CDL included ), as we all know CDL is purported to be 3 times larger than RD , allowing China to control that side makes no sense to me, it wont change the equation, China will still dominate the lithium space !

What better way to cut Chyna at its knees by controlling the lot.

In the mean time, i agree........ happy to go to arbitration and see those cunties ( Cominiere / DRC govt / Zijin / Dathomir ) shamed plus establish what a fair compensation payout looks like to form a base as to what Kobald should be paying to the 21000 long time suffering AVZ shareholders.

How many days to go now @Spikerama ?

 

[Frank]

https://x.com/MINES_CD/status/1916875721567248423

KoBold Metals wants to invest billions of dollars in DRC mines​

The US mining exploration company KoBold Metals, supported by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, aims to become a major player in the mining sector in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

According to the Financial Times, the company plans to inject billions of dollars to exploit the country’s natural resources.

Heading towards cobalt, copper and lithium

Benjamin Katabuka, the new CEO of KoBold in the DRC, said the company wants to “see big” in a country that dominates global cobalt and African copper production.

KoBold expects to obtain exploration permits for these two strategic metals, but also for lithium, whose reserves remain underexploited in the DRC.

Rebalancing Chinese Influence

The announcement comes at a time when geopolitical tensions over critical minerals are intensifying, especially between the US and China.

Many Congolese mines are now under Chinese control, a situation that the Congolese government is seeking to rebalance by attracting more Western investors.

Kinshasa and Washington discuss mining pact

KoBold’s interest in the DRC coincides with discussions between Kinshasa and Washington on a strategic minerals agreement. President Félix Tshisekedi had proposed a pact in the United States in exchange for security support in the fight against M23.

Benjamin Katabuka claims that KoBold will apply “high standards” for its operations in the DRC, despite the known legal risks.

An innovative technological approach

KoBold Metals uses artificial intelligence to detect untapped mineral deposits. The company currently conducts more than 60 projects across four continents.

In Africa, it is already present in the country, where it made a historical discovery of copper in 2024, and has recently settled in Namibia to explore deposits of lithium and nickel.

One billion dollars surveyed

To finance its expansion, KoBold raised 537 million dollars in his last round of funding.

Its investors include Breakthrough Energy Ventures, Earthshot Ventures, Equinor, Mitsubishi Corporation and Standard Investments.

Since its inception, KoBold has raised nearly a billion dollars for its global projects.

KoBold Metals veut investir des milliards de dollars dans les mines de la RDC - MINES.CD - Premier média congolais du secteur minier

La société américaine d’exploration minière KoBold Metals, soutenue par Bill Gates et Jeff Bezos, ambitionne de devenir un acteur majeur du secteur minier en République démocratique du Congo (RDC). Selon le Financial Times, l’entreprise prévoit d’injecter plusieurs milliards de dollars pour...

mines.cd

 

[ptlas]

Well in my view Wombat, CATH gave us the $20million (US dollars no less) to fight the cases in arbitration, they also proposed a JV partnership and proposed an arrangement where they pay for the project’s development. CATH also offered us an option to purchase up to 49% in a lithium hydroxide or carbonate conversion plant built by them. Remember CATH is in partnership with CATL, the world’s biggest lithium battery manufacturer.

What have KoBold offered us, fuck all. They’re mouthing off all over the place about how great they are and how they are negotiating with the DRC. The only mention they give us is a questionable reference to us being in a legal dispute.

With the help of the DRC, they illegally tried to access our core library without AVZ’s permission, and they have shown they are desperate to get ownership of Manono but won’t come out with any sort of reasonable offer.

It’s absolutely laughable to suggest that the US wants to develop the Lobito Corridor and bring peace as an act of benevolence, they are just desperate for the critical minerals and Roche Dure’s 842million tonnes of 1.61% Lithium Oxide

They were no where to be found when we were looking to secure litigation funding but once CATH gave it to us KoBold came scurrying out of the woodwork with bold statements talking themselves up.

Personally, I don’t trust KoBold and think we should go through the litigation process to strengthen our position and force all those fuckers to make an offer AVZ shareholders think is fair

You and I have both criticised KoBold, while I think many others see them as white knights.
I've nothing to add to your excellent analysis, but would just comment that all of the US remarks around security for minerals reminds of Zelensky in the Oval Office being insulted and threatened on precisely that opaque ' deal '.
There, no mention was made about any holders of exploration or mining permits and their rights.
It was a given that USA would just take what they could bully Ukraine into conceding.

The only difference here is that FT does not have the balls or desire of VZ to fight for a just outcome.
AVZ holders need to stop deluding themselves that any alleged ' suitor ' will willingly pay top dollar for control. That is not generally how business works.
If it does happen, it will be on the eve of ICSID at the very earliest and will be based on geopolitics.
It is also possibly in KoBold's interest that we lose.
Be aware that when you're reposting X, instagram etc comments around KoBold and US government actions. you are validating US interests.
These nterests are not necessarily AVZ interests.
NF and BoD will be very well aware of all of this and will be attempting to play these alleged suitors off against each other.
In my mind, the issue is how much US and China are prepared to compromise with each other and each take part of Manono?
FT would probably be happy with such an outcome.
Be sure that neither side is interested in right or fair compensation for AVZ, despite the corporate bs. Does anyone seriously think that they want to give AVZ a single cent more than they need to?

I suspect that Trump wants it all ( for a ' win ' ).
If that is the case, to continue the Zelensky analogy, AVZ probably holds better cards.
Whatever is in the works, there's very little chance of ICSID and other court cases not running for months or, possibly, years.
Manono is simply too large for both US or China to be happy with less than 100%.

 

[Retrobyte]

Benjamin Katabuka, the new CEO of KoBold in the DRC, said the company wants to “see big” in a country that dominates global cobalt and African copper production.

Interestingly, Benny is not a miner, he's a lawyer ...

 

[Dave Evans]

You and I have both criticised KoBold, while I think many others see them as white knights.
I've nothing to add to your excellent analysis, but would just comment that all of the US remarks around security for minerals reminds of Zelensky in the Oval Office being insulted and threatened on precisely that opaque ' deal '.
There, no mention was made about any holders of exploration or mining permits and their rights.
It was a given that USA would just take what they could bully Ukraine into conceding.

The only difference here is that FT does not have the balls or desire of VZ to fight for a just outcome.
AVZ holders need to stop deluding themselves that any alleged ' suitor ' will willingly pay top dollar for control. That is not generally how business works.
If it does happen, it will be on the eve of ICSID at the very earliest and will be based on geopolitics.
It is also possibly in KoBold's interest that we lose.
Be aware that when you're reposting X, instagram etc comments around KoBold and US government actions. you are validating US interests.
These nterests are not necessarily AVZ interests.
NF and BoD will be very well aware of all of this and will be attempting to play these alleged suitors off against each other.
In my mind, the issue is how much US and China are prepared to compromise with each other and each take part of Manono?
FT would probably be happy with such an outcome.
Be sure that neither side is interested in right or fair compensation for AVZ, despite the corporate bs. Does anyone seriously think that they want to give AVZ a single cent more than they need to?

I suspect that Trump wants it all ( for a ' win ' ).
If that is the case, to continue the Zelensky analogy, AVZ probably holds better cards.
Whatever is in the works, there's very little chance of ICSID and other court cases not running for months or, possibly, years.
Manono is simply too large for both US or China to be happy with less than 100%.

I know there are plenty of shareholders who don’t like the “hopeful” attitude, but in saying that, my never say die attitude leans toward the project being in too high a demand to let it drag out for any more years in arbitration. CATH are so desperate for our lithium they gave us US$20million to proceed with the litigation and we know the US also want it.

Anyway I hope all shareholders keep fighting on and hope this might inspire AVZ shareholders to keep fighting. Though I wasn’t there, a few people from my high school that I know were there, including the big bloke they try and throw in the paddy wagon so hope you and others can find some relevance in it



Also, as far as KoBold, they already have a JV with BHP and could partner with RIO who are the most experienced miners in the world, so no reason not to other than to get their own investor mates in on the action.

Now stop fucken replying, I stopped posting for a reason and I don’t need more reasons to start again (PS, Sorry mate, not personal, just sick of being on forums)

 

[JNRB]

Some people have expressed concern about Kobold negotiating directly with DRC and Nigel/AVZ being left out; the worry being they are trying to bypass AVZ to get a better deal.

IMO:
1. If AVZ is not in the discussion, it's not because Kobols are trying to reduce the compensation price, rather it's that compensating AVZ is not one of their unknowns still needing to be resolved. They know they can make AVZ a suitable compensation offer. The main concern for them now is ensuring the DRC gives them the conditions to make that offer worth it.

2. Further to above, Kobold wants good conditions for investments beyond just Manono. Manono may end up being their first and biggest but still only part. So from that perspective why would AVZ be part of those negotiations.

3. We don't actually know what meetings AVZ is/isn't a part of atm. We DO know AVZ has been in the US to discuss project progression.

 

[Randenj]

For something more light-hearted (?) I was sent this via LinkedIn.

Screenshot below ......

 

[wombat74]

You and I have both criticised KoBold, while I think many others see them as white knights.
I've nothing to add to your excellent analysis, but would just comment that all of the US remarks around security for minerals reminds of Zelensky in the Oval Office being insulted and threatened on precisely that opaque ' deal '.
There, no mention was made about any holders of exploration or mining permits and their rights.
It was a given that USA would just take what they could bully Ukraine into conceding.

The only difference here is that FT does not have the balls or desire of VZ to fight for a just outcome.
AVZ holders need to stop deluding themselves that any alleged ' suitor ' will willingly pay top dollar for control. That is not generally how business works.
If it does happen, it will be on the eve of ICSID at the very earliest and will be based on geopolitics.
It is also possibly in KoBold's interest that we lose.
Be aware that when you're reposting X, instagram etc comments around KoBold and US government actions. you are validating US interests.
These nterests are not necessarily AVZ interests.
NF and BoD will be very well aware of all of this and will be attempting to play these alleged suitors off against each other.
In my mind, the issue is how much US and China are prepared to compromise with each other and each take part of Manono?
FT would probably be happy with such an outcome.
Be sure that neither side is interested in right or fair compensation for AVZ, despite the corporate bs. Does anyone seriously think that they want to give AVZ a single cent more than they need to?

I suspect that Trump wants it all ( for a ' win ' ).
If that is the case, to continue the Zelensky analogy, AVZ probably holds better cards.
Whatever is in the works, there's very little chance of ICSID and other court cases not running for months or, possibly, years.
Manono is simply too large for both US or China to be happy with less than 100%.

In who's interest's is it to let the ICISD case run ? Up to this point the DRC have done everything they can to avoid it . Corruption on a grand scale will be exposed .Corrupt players exposed . Zijin exposed . Potential buyers will have to pony $$ up more than they could have . Years of wasted time . In who's interest is it to let the ICSID case run ?

 

[GuruDukun]

Kobold Metals: who is Benjamin Katabuka, the new CEO in the DRC? - Africa Business+

The mining company, supported by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, has appointed a pilot for its operations in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), indicating interest in Manono’s lithium and other critical metals projects in the region.

www.africabusinessplus.com

Someone has got to have a subscription

 

[Winenut]

In who's interest's is it to let the ICISD case run ? Up to this point the DRC have done everything they can to avoid it . Corruption on a grand scale will be exposed .Corrupt players exposed . Zijin exposed . Potential buyers will have to pony $$ up more than they could have . Years of wasted time . In who's interest is it to let the ICSID case run ?

Ours...

It's currently one of our most powerful assets and singularly the greatest insurance policy we have against getting completely fucking ripped off

 

[BRICK]

Ours...

It's currently one of our most powerful assets and singularly the greatest insurance policy we have against getting completely fucking ripped off

Amen

 

[Panther22]

Ours...

It's currently one of our most powerful assets and singularly the greatest insurance policy we have against getting completely fucking ripped off

Agree. As much as we all want out of this shitshow with a suitable cheque l would hate to think we get under compensated and all the bad actors walk away scott free and the fines disappear. I am counting the days to ICSID so that all the dirt and corruption is brought before the world and some heads roll. That way a more true value for Monano will be on hand and those that want it will have to get much closer to the true value if they want own it and take away some of the Chinese domination.
When the true value comes out at ICSID they, whoever they are, will have to pay much closer to true value.
Who ever ends up with Monano is on a winner, a gold mine (Lithium actually and don't forget the tin). Lithium prices will rise as demand increases.

Love Spikes countdown clock, look forward to seeing it each morning.

GLTAH.

 

[Spikerama]

Thirty Three, till the Third Degree.

 

[wombat74]

Ours...

It's currently one of our most powerful assets and singularly the greatest insurance policy we have against getting completely fucking ripped off

Exactly . So why would they let the ICISD run ?

 

[Winenut]

Exactly . So why would they let the ICISD run ?

Well

There's only one way to stop it for every other party that has an interest (or is interested) in Manono and that is to.....

 

[Rechnerhand]

Declaration of Principles By U.S. Embassy Kinshasa

" ...
The Participants expect this framework to be accompanied by the launch or expansion of significant investments, including those facilitated by the S. government and U.S. private sector, aimed at transforming the regional economy to the benefit of all participating countries.
The Participants commit to explore options to link this framework to other international or regional economic development initiatives, including in infrastructure
The Participants commit to launch and/or expand cooperation on shared priorities such as hydropower development; national park management; derisking of mineral supply chains; and transparent, formalized, and licit end-to-end mineral value chains (from mine to processed metal) that link both countries, in partnership with the S. government and U.S. investors.
..."

 

[Mute22]

Declaration of Principles By U.S. Embassy Kinshasa

" ...
The Participants expect this framework to be accompanied by the launch or expansion of significant investments, including those facilitated by the S. government and U.S. private sector, aimed at transforming the regional economy to the benefit of all participating countries.
The Participants commit to explore options to link this framework to other international or regional economic development initiatives, including in infrastructure
The Participants commit to launch and/or expand cooperation on shared priorities such as hydropower development; national park management; derisking of mineral supply chains; and transparent, formalized, and licit end-to-end mineral value chains (from mine to processed metal) that link both countries, in partnership with the S. government and U.S. investors.
..."

hydropower development hydropower development hydropower development

 

[Frank]

If you go down to the Crapper today, Your sure of a big surprise
If you go down to the Crapper today, You better go in disguise
For every Bear that ever there was, Will gather there for certain because
Today's the day the Teddy Bear's have their picnic
Every Teddy Bear whose been good
Is sure of a treat today

 

[Hudnut]

Tshisekedi will be worried about more the the exposure of Cominiere and Dathomir re: denying AVZ the mining license.
IMO he will be exposed himself. He either benefited directly, or is protecting others he has benefited from in others lest they expose him.
His inaction during this whole thing speaks for itself.

Re: KoBold. They will absolutely do what they can, to get as much as they can, whlie payiing as little as they can.
We've been told they've already put in an offer. If that's true and we haven't heard about it, then it's a lowball.

They did gain access to our cores while consorting with the enemy, and are certainly not a friend.

ICSID may be in our favour re: setting a value if we eventually win. However, we will still have difficulties collecting any award, and other companies have had to settle for less than the award to actually get any cash.

Difficulties in collecting any award means we aren't guaranteed KoBold or anyone else will offer us that much.

Any amount offered will be weighed against risk of winning at ICSID, time in the courts, and difficulty of collection.

Not to mention the geopolitical risk associated with changes in Governments at either end in the meantime if this drags out. If anything happens to Trump or Tshidekedi electorally or healthwise in the meantime everything could change.

 

[Rechnerhand]

Tshisekedi will be worried about more the the exposure of Cominiere and Dathomir re: denying AVZ the mining license.
IMO he will be exposed himself. He either benefited directly, or is protecting others he has benefited from in others lest they expose him.
His inaction during this whole thing speaks for itself.

Re: KoBold. They will absolutely do what they can, to get as much as they can, whlie payiing as little as they can.
We've been told they've already put in an offer. If that's true and we haven't heard about it, then it's a lowball.

They did gain access to our cores while consorting with the enemy, and are certainly not a friend.

ICSID may be in our favour re: setting a value if we eventually win. However, we will still have difficulties collecting any award, and other companies have had to settle for less than the award to actually get any cash.

Difficulties in collecting any award means we aren't guaranteed KoBold or anyone else will offer us that much.

Any amount offered will be weighed against risk of winning at ICSID, time in the courts, and difficulty of collection.

Not to mention the geopolitical risk associated with changes in Governments at either end in the meantime if this drags out. If anything happens to Trump or Tshidekedi electorally or healthwise in the meantime everything could change.

An offer via Kobold Metals directly to AVZ I think is not on the agenda these days for at least one reason.
--> ongoing court cases (ICC, ICSID) where the official outcome related to a binding ML is pending.

This remains the question who was the receiver of a so called offer by Kobold Metals or is in exchange with them?
Based on the fact above and an absolutely unstable situation for foreign investors I would say the only logical communication partner at the moment is the political channel via U.S. governments and it is not an offer we would expect to see from an investor POV in public sector. With the situation above as a fact I would not agree to this point of mentioning this as a lowball ... not even this. My thinking is that Kobold made a kind of offer (MOU) to underline the credibility of the "declaration of principles". (Never underestimate Trump's ability to celebrate shows more then the business itself.) So far there is not achieved something countable and that is why I totally agree not to comment from AVZ side now any things happened at political stage w/o any substantial news for everything I've been invested there since 2017. And yes - their major asset is let run the ICSID case.