AVZ Discussion 2022

[Ozthescot]

Didn’t the company unexpectedly tweet something the other day ?

That you Deboss????

 

[Hemicuda]

That you Deboss????

what's the opposite of a wink?

 

[Xerof]

Deboss is registered here but hasn’t winked yet

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Chinese contract: ODEP suspected of wanting to play a dirty trick on candidate Moise Katumbi

After the revelation, by the General Inspectorate of Finance -IGF- of the leonine and unbalanced nature of the Chinese contract, the Observatory of Public Expenditure -ODEP- hastened to publish a list of former officials of the Democratic Republic of Congo involved, according to the NGO, in the signing of this deal.

Cited among the latter, Moïse Katumbi, former governor of the former province of Katanga, never negotiated or signed this contract, reacted a member of his entourage, describing the copy of the ODEP as a sham and fanciful.

“How could a governor sign a negotiated contract between the government of the Republic and Chinese companies?

In what capacity would he have done it?

This was in no way within his remit, even if the minerals covered by this contract are buried in the subsoil of the province of which Katumbi was the governor at the time of the signing, "said this close friend of the former Gov' , convinced that the ODEP has poured into misinformation and a political undermining campaign targeting a candidate for President of the Republic, demanding a public apology from the leaders of this NGO.

"If the ODEP does not retract itself with regard to Katumbi, we will deduce that its leaders wanted to take advantage of the IGF report to play a dirty trick on a candidate for President of the Republic", says, for his part, a Katumbist deputy.

While the ODEP also involved him in this soap opera of the signing of the Chinese contract, Augustin Matata Ponyo was quick to defend himself.

“I have never signed Chinese contracts,” he said.

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Also launched in the December 2023 presidential race, Matata Ponyo recalled that these contracts "were signed in 2008" when he was director general of the Central Coordination Office -Bceco- "and not Minister of Finance" .

He clarified that the execution of these contracts was done exclusively by the Chinese Contracts Monitoring Office which depended on the presidency and not on the government.

“I have never signed Chinese contracts. They were signed in 2008 when I was D.G of Bceco and not minister. Finances.

The execution of these contracts was done exclusively by the Chinese Contracts Monitoring Office which depended on the Presidency and not on the Government,” he wrote.


Chinese contracts: "Yes to the revision, No to the confrontation between the great powers in the DRC", Adolphe Muzito

“Adolphe Muzito, potential presidential candidate for 2023, is in favor of a revision that “guarantees the rights of investors and the Congolese people” and opposes any confrontation, around natural resources, between major powers in the DRC. , which would gain nothing.

Passing through Brussels recently, in an interview granted to the South-China Morning Post, the former Congolese Prime Minister, estimates that the agreement of 6 billion US dollars for which, out of the 3 billion planned for infrastructures, "only 800 million dollars have been disbursed, but still no infrastructure in sight…an injustice”, reads the article, below.

Chinese contracts in the DRC are again under criticism.

This time, they come from the former budget minister and former Congolese Prime Minister Adolphe Muzito under whom these agreements – between the Congolese government and a group of Chinese companies – were signed in 2008.

Passing through Brussels, in an interview granted to the South-China Morning Post, the former Congolese Prime Minister, estimated that the 6 billion US dollar agreement for which, out of the 3 billion planned for infrastructure, "only 800 millions of dollars have been disbursed, but still no infrastructure in sight… an injustice”.

Adolphe Muzito, potential presidential candidate for 2023, is in favor of a revision that "guarantees the rights of investors and the Congolese people" and opposes any confrontation, around natural resources, between the great powers in the DRC, who would gain nothing.

His criticisms repeat the conclusions reached by NGOs and the Congolese government, which had noted the large lack of execution suffered by the infrastructure component compared to the mining component of these agreements.

Chinese contracts: no one in the DRC assumes responsibility until then

The so-called Sino-Congolese contracts signed between a group of Chinese companies (GEC) and the Congolese Government having the imperium in 2008 could not succeed, according to the report of the IGF (General Inspectorate of Finance).

In exchange for the minerals worth 12 billion USD, the infrastructure concerned has not all been delivered.

It was about the construction of 5 thousand social housing, 145 health centers in all the territories of the country, two universities, 2 hydroelectric dams (Katende and Kakobola), the rehabilitation of the airports of Bukavu and Goma, 31 hospitals and 3700 km of rail.

Intervened in 2008, the Chinese contracts are today without paternity on the side of the DRC.

The influential living authorities pass the buck.

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Two characters who spoke on behalf of the President of the said period have already died.

Pierre Lumbi and Pr Samba Kaputo are no longer of this world.

Meanwhile, Moïse Ekanga, who managed this file as the main manager of the BCPSC (Office of Coordination and Monitoring of the Sino-Congolese Program), leaves several gray areas, speaking of these contracts.

During a Top Congo FM broadcast, the now national deputy did not satisfy the curiosity of interviewing him on the botched work of the tourism road.

For him, the person appointed to respond well on this road axis is the Agency for Major Works.

This, to the great astonishment of the journalist who did not fail to remind him that he was coordinator of the structure, today embedded in APSC, Steering Agency, coordination of monitoring of collaboration agreements.

Another illustrious figure of the time, Augustin Matata Ponyo dit Mapon said he never signed Chinese contracts.

For, they were signed in 2008, when he was CEO of BCECO.

He also added that the execution of this contract was done exclusively by the BCPSC which, he adds, depended on the Presidency and not on the Government.

Adolphe Muzito, who became Prime Minister from the Ministry of the Budget in replacement of Antoine Gizenga, emphasizes having found the Sino-Congolese contracts.

The President of Nouvel Élan must know something to have given way to Augustin Matata Ponyo in 2012.

Moïse Katumbi Chapwe, former Governor of Katanga who benefited from these nebulous contracts following the massive presence of the Chinese in the Mining, is curiously not involved according to his statements on the net and also taken up by certain media.

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To hear the statements of key figures of the time, no one wants to assume their responsibilities in these contracts which generated 10 billion USD for the Chinese private party and less than 1 billion, or 830 million USD.

In addition to the unrest noted among former FCC members, the IGF report has increased pressure on the side of GEC, which intends to pay 500 million USD to the Government for infrastructure. APSC, which is working on it, previously held on to an additional 200 million USD.


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@BEISHA has been talking about Tshisekedi’s lack of doing anything for months. I finally agree…. Looks like it’s time to start working on a plan to vote him out.

Frank your post clearly shows the signing of Chinese contracts comes down to the President who clearly does nothing but talk bullshit.

Between Tshisekedi and Lukonde the DRC is being run by two muppets and Chinese corruption

Sorry…. Wrong photo

 

[Ozthescot]

@BEISHA has been talking about Tshisekedi’s lack of doing anything for months. I finally agree…. Looks like it’s time to start working on a plan to vote him out.

Frank your post clearly shows the Chinese contracts come down to the President who clearly does nothing but talk bullshit.

Between Tshisekedi and Lukonde the DRC is being run by two muppets and Chinese corruption

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Come on Bags that comparison is an insult to Bert n Ernie, pretty sure they would do a better job!!!

 

[TDITD]

Come on Bags that comparison is an insult to Bert n Ernie, pretty sure they would do a better job!!!

And that's saying something....

 

[Samus]

Have a read of this wack job on this thread if you get a chance, pretty funny!

 

[tonster66]

Felix once said show me the evidence. We have the IGF reports as evidence, however the chinese have attempted to discredit them. The IGF reports, in the eyes of Felix could be considered as conflicted as they have been commissioned by the ruling party. In terms of the election if Felix acted on those reports, it could be seen unjust. As such I believe Felix may be waiting for the ICC case.
If the ICC was to here the case in April then the facts will come out. It would be more embarrassing for the chinese if they were to lose. If AVZ were to win this would provide third party evidence of corrupt actions by his government which he could then act on and be seen to be acting without prejudice. This can also be said in respect to the relationship with china. Blame the chinese companies not the chinese government. IMO, but what would I know.

 

[Frank]

Felix once said show me the evidence. We have the IGF reports as evidence, however the chinese have attempted to discredit them. The IGF reports, in the eyes of Felix could be considered as conflicted as they have been commissioned by the ruling party. In terms of the election if Felix acted on those reports, it could be seen unjust. As such I believe Felix may be waiting for the ICC case.
If the ICC was to here the case in April then the facts will come out. It would be more embarrassing for the chinese if they were to lose. If AVZ were to win this would provide third party evidence of corrupt actions by his government which he could then act on and be seen to be acting without prejudice. This can also be said in respect to the relationship with china. Blame the chinese companies not the chinese government. IMO, but what would I know.

The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance qualified as without constructive value

The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance (IFG) of the Democratic Republic of Congo on the Sino-Congolese contract signed since 2008, is described by the Chinese Embassy in Kinshasa as "not credible and without constructive value".

“We learned with amazement of the publication of the report on the Chinese contract by the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

We regret to note that the report, whose content is full of prejudices, does not correspond to reality, cannot be considered credible and has no constructive value. “, Can we read in this press release from the spokesman of the Chinese Embassy in the DRC.

For the Chinese Embassy, "the Chinese Contract is a fine example of a win-win partnership", affirming that "many tangible achievements prove that the Congolese side has effectively benefited from this cooperation".

The spokesperson for the Chinese Embassy in the DRC concluded by reassuring Chinese companies operating in the DRC to firmly defend their "legitimate rights and interests" and encouraged them to work with their Congolese partner to "improve cooperation by making it benefit more".

SICOMINES disputes the competence of the IGF

For its part, the Sino-Congolese mining company (SICOMINES S.A) emphasizes, in its press release, that it has read this document, while contesting both the competence of the IGF and the procedure followed, describing it as a violation of its rights as well as the content of these documents, which disregard the mechanism set up by the DRC through the Collaboration Agreement and the rights granted to SICOMINES, and in particular the right to be heard.

"In addition, the criticisms and justified measures implemented against SICOMINES are detrimental to the proper functioning of this company and the Cooperation Project, ultimately damaging the interests of the country and the Congolese people", underlines this company.

“The DRC is a rule of law where the right to defense is enshrined and guaranteed by the Constitution.

In particular, the security of private investments, national or foreign, is guaranteed in the DRC and the commitments made with regard to investors cannot be flouted", continues this joint venture, while indicating that SICOMINES will evaluate the follow-up that you have to give in order to protect your rights.

Recall of facts

On February 08, 2023, SICOMINES received an invitation from the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) to come to the meeting room of the General Inspectorate of Finance, with the purpose of: examining the conclusions and recommendations of the 'IGF in order to settle the situation of SICOMINES.

On February 15, 2023, SICOMINES appeared at the meeting covered by the press, during which the audience was provided with two documents entitled "IGF conclusions on the collaboration agreement of April 2008 between the DRC and the group of Chinese companies (Chinese Contract)”, on the one hand, and “Requirements of the IGF with regard to its conclusions on the Chinese Contract” on the other hand.

Thus, after carrying out investigations, the IGF published its conclusion on Wednesday, February 15, accusing, among other things, SICOMINE SA and the group of Chinese companies (GEC) of having won more than the Congolese country in this supposed contract. be win-win.

Also, that this deal signed in 2008 between Chinese companies and the Congolese state has had no visible impact on the population, accusations which China describes as not credible and without constructive value.

mediacongo - 24.02.2023

 

[Flight996]

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The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance qualified as without constructive value

The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance (IFG) of the Democratic Republic of Congo on the Sino-Congolese contract signed since 2008, is described by the Chinese Embassy in Kinshasa as "not credible and without constructive value".

“We learned with amazement of the publication of the report on the Chinese contract by the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

We regret to note that the report, whose content is full of prejudices, does not correspond to reality, cannot be considered credible and has no constructive value. “, Can we read in this press release from the spokesman of the Chinese Embassy in the DRC.

For the Chinese Embassy, "the Chinese Contract is a fine example of a win-win partnership", affirming that "many tangible achievements prove that the Congolese side has effectively benefited from this cooperation".

The spokesperson for the Chinese Embassy in the DRC concluded by reassuring Chinese companies operating in the DRC to firmly defend their "legitimate rights and interests" and encouraged them to work with their Congolese partner to "improve cooperation by making it benefit more".

SICOMINES disputes the competence of the IGF

For its part, the Sino-Congolese mining company (SICOMINES S.A) emphasizes, in its press release, that it has read this document, while contesting both the competence of the IGF and the procedure followed, describing it as a violation of its rights as well as the content of these documents, which disregard the mechanism set up by the DRC through the Collaboration Agreement and the rights granted to SICOMINES, and in particular the right to be heard.

"In addition, the criticisms and justified measures implemented against SICOMINES are detrimental to the proper functioning of this company and the Cooperation Project, ultimately damaging the interests of the country and the Congolese people", underlines this company.

“The DRC is a rule of law where the right to defense is enshrined and guaranteed by the Constitution.

In particular, the security of private investments, national or foreign, is guaranteed in the DRC and the commitments made with regard to investors cannot be flouted", continues this joint venture, while indicating that SICOMINES will evaluate the follow-up that you have to give in order to protect your rights.

Recall of facts

On February 08, 2023, SICOMINES received an invitation from the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) to come to the meeting room of the General Inspectorate of Finance, with the purpose of: examining the conclusions and recommendations of the 'IGF in order to settle the situation of SICOMINES.

On February 15, 2023, SICOMINES appeared at the meeting covered by the press, during which the audience was provided with two documents entitled "IGF conclusions on the collaboration agreement of April 2008 between the DRC and the group of Chinese companies (Chinese Contract)”, on the one hand, and “Requirements of the IGF with regard to its conclusions on the Chinese Contract” on the other hand.

Thus, after carrying out investigations, the IGF published its conclusion on Wednesday, February 15, accusing, among other things, SICOMINE SA and the group of Chinese companies (GEC) of having won more than the Congolese country in this supposed contract. be win-win.

Also, that this deal signed in 2008 between Chinese companies and the Congolese state has had no visible impact on the population, accusations which China describes as not credible and without constructive value.

mediacongo - 24.02.2023

The only thing missing from the Chinese response to the IGF report (2022) are accusations that it interfered in China's internal affairs and that it promotes regional instability. They are the usual hyperventilating responses to pretty much anything that China does not like.

 

[JAG]

Fuck me, and there I was, thinking I took spamming to the next level

@TDITD has now taken over the mantle.

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

FYI. Off-topic but interesting ... but I don't see a replacement to Li-Ion batteries in EV's for next 10 years (IMO).

Sodium-Ion = 140-160Wh/Kg
Li-Ion = 300Wh/Kg approx. ("Panasonic’s “2170” NCA batteries used in 2020 in Tesla’s Model 3 is around 260 Wh/kg")

First passenger car equipped with sodium-ion batteries unveiled in China

Powering EVs with sodium-ion batteries seems to get closer to reality in China. Local carmaker SOL and battery manufacturer Hina Battery Technology unveiled a test vehicle equipped with sodium-ion batteries on February 23. The car came with a driving range of 252 kilometers.

www.digitimes.com

Lithium iron phosphate battery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ozthescot]

Fuck me, and there I was, thinking I took spamming to the next level

@TDITD has now taken over the mantle.

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Haha yes @TDITD

 

[ptlas]

FYI. Off-topic but interesting ... but I don't see a replacement to Li-Ion batteries in EV's for next 10 years (IMO).

Sodium-Ion = 140-160Wh/Kg
Li-Ion = 300Wh/Kg approx. ("Panasonic’s “2170” NCA batteries used in 2020 in Tesla’s Model 3 is around 260 Wh/kg")

First passenger car equipped with sodium-ion batteries unveiled in China

Powering EVs with sodium-ion batteries seems to get closer to reality in China. Local carmaker SOL and battery manufacturer Hina Battery Technology unveiled a test vehicle equipped with sodium-ion batteries on February 23. The car came with a driving range of 252 kilometers.

www.digitimes.com

Lithium iron phosphate battery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The technology around both will improve.

But what won't change is the Periodic Table

Lithium is above sodium on the left meaning that it is lower mass ( lighter) than sodium.

The only issue is whether/when technology improves enough to allow the cheaper sodium to prevail.

I would guess that ten years would be an optimistic estimate. But what do I know!

 

[cruiser51]

#RDC 24.02.2023| #CitéUA The Head of State, Félix Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo chaired, by videoconference, this Friday, in his office at the Cité de l'Union Africaine, the eighty-eighth meeting of the Council of Ministers.

 

[geo_au]

Sorry fellow TSE members…. It was all the DRC politicians shaking hands with the people that are illegally trying to usurp the people of the DRC and our company that made me do it

That is normal protocol it does not mean they are bosom buddies. At the end of the day it is all about the Rule of Law and if applied the chinese and the corrupt congolese officials will pay the price.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

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The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance qualified as without constructive value

The report of the General Inspectorate of Finance (IFG) of the Democratic Republic of Congo on the Sino-Congolese contract signed since 2008, is described by the Chinese Embassy in Kinshasa as "not credible and without constructive value".

“We learned with amazement of the publication of the report on the Chinese contract by the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

We regret to note that the report, whose content is full of prejudices, does not correspond to reality, cannot be considered credible and has no constructive value. “, Can we read in this press release from the spokesman of the Chinese Embassy in the DRC.

For the Chinese Embassy, "the Chinese Contract is a fine example of a win-win partnership", affirming that "many tangible achievements prove that the Congolese side has effectively benefited from this cooperation".

The spokesperson for the Chinese Embassy in the DRC concluded by reassuring Chinese companies operating in the DRC to firmly defend their "legitimate rights and interests" and encouraged them to work with their Congolese partner to "improve cooperation by making it benefit more".

SICOMINES disputes the competence of the IGF

For its part, the Sino-Congolese mining company (SICOMINES S.A) emphasizes, in its press release, that it has read this document, while contesting both the competence of the IGF and the procedure followed, describing it as a violation of its rights as well as the content of these documents, which disregard the mechanism set up by the DRC through the Collaboration Agreement and the rights granted to SICOMINES, and in particular the right to be heard.

"In addition, the criticisms and justified measures implemented against SICOMINES are detrimental to the proper functioning of this company and the Cooperation Project, ultimately damaging the interests of the country and the Congolese people", underlines this company.

“The DRC is a rule of law where the right to defense is enshrined and guaranteed by the Constitution.

In particular, the security of private investments, national or foreign, is guaranteed in the DRC and the commitments made with regard to investors cannot be flouted", continues this joint venture, while indicating that SICOMINES will evaluate the follow-up that you have to give in order to protect your rights.

Recall of facts

On February 08, 2023, SICOMINES received an invitation from the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) to come to the meeting room of the General Inspectorate of Finance, with the purpose of: examining the conclusions and recommendations of the 'IGF in order to settle the situation of SICOMINES.

On February 15, 2023, SICOMINES appeared at the meeting covered by the press, during which the audience was provided with two documents entitled "IGF conclusions on the collaboration agreement of April 2008 between the DRC and the group of Chinese companies (Chinese Contract)”, on the one hand, and “Requirements of the IGF with regard to its conclusions on the Chinese Contract” on the other hand.

Thus, after carrying out investigations, the IGF published its conclusion on Wednesday, February 15, accusing, among other things, SICOMINE SA and the group of Chinese companies (GEC) of having won more than the Congolese country in this supposed contract. be win-win.

Also, that this deal signed in 2008 between Chinese companies and the Congolese state has had no visible impact on the population, accusations which China describes as not credible and without constructive value.

mediacongo - 24.02.2023

Here’s hoping that one day the people of China will be able to come out from under the spying eyes and oppression of their overlords ‘with their spy balloons’ and rise up and overthrow the corrupt communist leadership and companies that have slowly and insidiously been trying to install their corrupt activities in other countries such as we have seen in countries in and around our region.

The Chinese state usually starts by underpaying their own population so they can lend money to poor countries and hold them in debt, so they can then take ownership of their infrastructure, charge tolls on it and use it for the benefit of China, not the poor countries they usurp.

Seems African states have also forgotten where and how Covid started. With a bit of luck the population of the DRC might also rise up and flush the corrupt politicians out of power. I’ve been keeping an eye on the election process and seeing corruption running rampant around polling officials and areas where the government is not popular.

Power to the population of the DRC and China…. Not their corrupt leaders and ambassadors

1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[cruiser51]

DRC CHINESE CONTRACT: The population of BUKAVU is stunned to learn from the IGF report that the BUKAVU stadium above in the image has been invoiced to the DRC by CHINESE COMPANIES for an amount of 10 MILLION USD in a WIN-WIN AGREEMENT .

 

[JAG]

DRC CHINESE CONTRACT: The population of BUKAVU is stunned to learn from the IGF report that the BUKAVU stadium above in the image has been invoiced to the DRC by CHINESE COMPANIES for an amount of 10 MILLION USD in a WIN-WIN AGREEMENT .

True that.....just another Chinese belt and road initiative yet the fuckers keep falling for it....

 

[Charbella]

He owes me money

Hi Bags, how did you go tracking him down? I thought he was Greek. Doran doesn’t sound very Greek.