AVZ Discussion 2022

[Bin59]

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Hi. I'm new here and a modest holder under the Roadshow invitation level. Will there be a Zoom or other internet stream option available? I have enjoyed reading all of your posts for some time. Kept me sane and entertained. Cheers

Hey matie, don't think there will be a zoom of any kind. However, generally they would send out a presentation prior if that helps. Also you can attend the AGM via zoom.

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

When/where is the Sydney one? My invite must’ve got lost in the mail

Send them an email mate. It's on the 9th at 5pm in the city.

 

[Bin59]

The article below published yesterday (25 Oct) states AVZ are still waiting on the operating permit.

Tanganyka/Kalemie : Les jeunes dans la rue contre la construction de l'usine de fabrication des batteries du lithium de Manono dans le Haut-Katanga - Kongo Presse

Par Kiki Kienge « Le lithium de Manono doit être transformé en produits finis seulement dans le Tanganyika. », message des manifestants. Une coalition des associations des jeunes du Tanganyika, ont manifesté…

kongopress.com

Tanganyka/Kalemy: Young people on the street against the construction of the Manono lithium battery manufacturing plant in Haut-Katanga

October 25, 2022

Kiki Kienge

By Kiki Kienge

"The Manono lithium must be transformed into finished products only in Tanganyika," message from the demonstrators.

A coalition of youth associations from Tanganyika demonstrated on Monday, October 24 in Kalemie against the construction of the Manono lithium battery manufacturing plant outside Tanganyika province.

The demonstration left Kisebwe Square in Kalemie, after borrowing some arteries of the city, the demonstrators landed at the Tanganyika Provincial Assembly. The president of the provincial assembly.

The Honourable Kibombo Kakudji Vincent, accompanied by his office, received the young leaders of the youth associations of Tanganyika who gave the provincial authorities a memo in reference to their challenge, which read:

"This plot orchestrated by some of the leaders of the central government and the boss of Haut-Katanga province tends to conspire against our province, we will even say tending to conspire against our future and the future of our children. ”

Recall that the Congolese government had signed an agreement with Zambia for the creation of an industrial zone in Haut-Katanga, for the development and manufacture of Manono lithium batteries, another probably in Lualaba and Manono.

The Congolese authorities defend the choice of Lubumbashi and Kolwezi for the manufacture of Manono lithium-based batteries, advancing the composition of the batteries that are composed of several ores and metals found in Upper Katanga and Lualaba, including the electrical energy production infrastructures that Tanganyika does not currently have.

According to the authorities, it would take much more time to build all the infrastructure necessary for the manufacture of batteries in Tanganyika, when the exploitation of lithium by AVZ Minerals should begin in 2023 as soon as the operating permit is obtained, which for a reason that only God knows, is still stuck in the territories of the director of CAMI, Jean-Félix Mupande.

 

[Retrobyte]

The Perth roadshow is the absolute key here IMO

What is presented and what they say on the 31st (if it's to be believed) can "potentially" render every other presentation a pleasant drinks and canape fest.... or....... alternatively........ it could create a massively heightened situation that will have serious numbers of subsequent attendees in OZ and NZ doubling down on some really fucking hard questions

Use your time wisely those that are lucky enough to go whether it be Perth or elsewhere

100% correct - if Perth is a shitshow then I won't be bothered going to Sydney. I'm hoping Sydney will be a celebration of what was announced at Perth, in which case I'll be there with bells on.

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

good morning my friends. is the kongopress tweet the first sign of the ML ?

Unsure, as always take anything from Twitter with a grain of salt. The screenshot appears to just be from that video where Zijin supposedly renounces it's claim to the 15%, I've always been suss on it because of the face masks. How can you tell a Zijin employees lying? Their lips are moving...

I'm more interested in the tweet that was posted yesterday by Frank, especially the bit I've highlighted:

 

[Doc]

100% correct - if Perth is a shitshow then I won't be bothered going to Sydney. I'm hoping Sydney will be a celebration of what was announced at Perth, in which case I'll be there with bells on.

100%. Would love to have a beer with a few long termers with good info to celebrate

 

[Mouthpiecenomnom]

good morning my friends. is the kongopress tweet the first sign of the ML.

Been many false clues this year. I'm not holding my breath. Although kongopress is pretty legit right?

 

[ChrisU]

How’s that afr article!
Zijin Mining confidently looks forward to the ICC hearing in April 2023 and expects AVZ’s abuse of Zijin Mining’s 15 per cent stake in the Manono project as alleged will be addressed,” Zijin’s in-house legal counsel Sun Kuiyuan said on Thursday. “Zijin Mining is disappointed with AVZ’s lack of cooperation with the minority shareholders of the Manono project.

Why the fuck don’t management comment and push back on this! Sorry but this is a fucking joke. These proceedings have been in the works longer than we have known. Nigel has to open his mouth for something other than sucking down his fucking pay cheque and free shares

Nigel is afraid of a gaffe?

I’m sure he’d like to let rip.

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Nigel is afraid of a gaffe?

I’m sure he’d like to let rip.

I'm hopeful he'll be having the last laugh

 

[ChrisU]

Things have changed for the company since earlier in the year. There has been more than enough talking done by management prior to the suspension. It would be best if they focused on action in the DRC if they don't have important news to discuss at the roadshows.

There won’t be enough time for everything, granted. But, it works marvellously well if the company is talking about project parts including studies completed to ascertain the grain of their true direction. Favourite tactic of immigration officers, is to ask the long story to see if it falls apart.

 

[The Fox]

Been many false clues this year. I'm not holding my breath. Although kongopress is pretty legit right?

False clues......

Yes, many of which filtered down from AVZ management who's had little control of things these past 6 months. Obviously there has been a significant gap between what AVZ management expected to occur and when, compared to reality.

The articles published in Kongo Press are really one man's work, Kiki who appears independant. IMO he is doing a better job reporting current issues than AVZ management or Momentum put together. His early tweets are telling and show where he was getting up to speed on AVZ issues and then decided to be a voice on all matters Manono.

I doubt he is being sponsored by AVZ, yet he should be someone the company looks after in due course. Kiki would be an asset to AVZ over coming years as a press liaison officer or similar IMO. AVZ could do with a few more Kiki's.

Cheers The Fox

 

[Xerof]

So Foxy Baby, are they all on radio silence at the moment? Always a good sign if so.

I agree, Kiki Kongo has picked up our baton, although Franck has gone quiet.

I also saw bombersmadd is trying to stir the pot on the bird with some long bow connections. Idiot. Another good sign

 

[Flexi]

Frank, I notice there are no Rego plates on your TARDIS. I hope you will be applying for a 24 hour Registration permit before you start the journey.
Hold on....... my bad.....if you leave tomorrow and arrive Yesterday you wont need Registration plates.
Have a safe trip with boys.

 

[JAG]

False clues......

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Yes, many of which filtered down from AVZ management who's had little control of things these past 6 months. Obviously there has been a significant gap between what AVZ management expected to occur and when, compared to reality.

The articles published in Kongo Press are really one man's work, Kiki who appears independant. IMO he is doing a better job reporting current issues than AVZ management or Momentum put together. His early tweets are telling and show where he was getting up to speed on AVZ issues and then decided to be a voice on all matters Manono.

I doubt he is being sponsored by AVZ, yet he should be someone the company looks after in due course. Kiki would be an asset to AVZ over coming years as a press liaison officer or similar IMO. AVZ could do with a few more Kiki's.

Cheers The Fox

He is also going to employ a journalist based at Manono fulltime to report on progress as well as set up a Facebook page to get the Manono locals involved in the push for AVZ to mine.

 

[wombat74]

He is also going to employ a journalist based at Manono fulltime to report on progress as well as set up a Facebook page to get the Manono locals involved in the push for AVZ to mine.

Mate please tell me you are taking the p1ss about the facebook page ? If I fell for it I give you a double thumbs up.

 

[The Fox]

So Foxy Baby, are they all on radio silence at the moment? Always a good sign if so.

I agree, Kiki Kongo has picked up our baton, although Franck has gone quiet.

I also saw bombersmadd is trying to stir the pot on the bird with some long bow connections. Idiot. Another good sign

Lots of jungle drums beating in the Congo, I think we all hear most of them now thanks to Kiki and others. Not to mention AVZ being more on the front foot with sharing information etc. (Yet a little fuck’en late if you ask me)

Is Nigel warming up for a victory lap? Maybe. Very keen to hear the feedback from Perth meeting. Or read the AVZ announcements just prior.

To be honest I’m a little AVZ burnt out these days. Spent significant hours, days and weeks in the past trying to understand where things are at while communicating with as many connections as possible. All this has taken a toll, my motivation to seek out information at the moment is just about gone.

It is obvious things are coming to a head particularly with the Roadshows taking place. Since the first of these is within days, I’ll see what comes from the first meeting and if any motivation to dig around again returns thereafter.

AVZ management will have to step up and treat shareholders a little better IMO. Maybe all sins will be forgiven in the near future assuming all matters are sorted. I don’t know. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the reasons for the Roadshows is to appeal or win over larger shareholders to avoid any trouble coming up from the ranks regarding non-disclosure and other claims.

I’m pretty angry at management, and I use that word loosely. It’s hard to see what they have done right or wrong with the lack of information they provided, as such it doesn’t pass the pub test or smell test IMO.

Granted if there are legal or important strategic reasons not to disclose things that’s fine, or at least understandable. Yet the company could have stated same to shareholders along the way and made the usual “unable to comment when matters are before the courts as to avoid prejudice etc, adversely affect AVZ legal position etc, rights or claims etc. Yet it was almost like let’s ignore it all and hope the disclosure issue goes away.

It’s all well and fine to say other parties are full of shit and spreading lies and that’s all we are going to say. But when things are in the courts, even a low level local court, this should be disclosed to shareholders and the market, right back in 2021 etc.

If everything was disclosed in real time the fight could have been taken public and all the groups that have supported AVZ could have mobilised earlier, including reporters, shareholders, civil society groups and there would have been more political pressure applied earlier rather then later. The IGF would have moved the court case to Kinshasa many months earlier. MoP caught out earlier, Zijin tail between the legs earlier. Cong with his hand out earlier.

The outcomes would likely be the same, just completed earlier. Would the SP have suffered a hit earlier, of course. Would it bounce back earlier yes.

Who ever provided the strategy to AVZ to keep your head down and let’s just tread quietly has been wrong. All this shit including Zijin should have been hit with a hammer on the head in real time, meetings called with Felix immediately, not one year after Zijin try to steal part of Manono.

Who has benefited from this saga dragging out??? AVZ advisors? Certainly not shareholders I can tell you that.

Anyway, rant over. I’ve been invited but not attending Roadshows, I don’t like being lied to and provided false information and I’ve had enough of that from Nigel.

Tempted to hand back my VIP membership to the AVZ Sunshine and Lollipops group, however that would be a step to far. I’ll just sulk a little longer then bounce back when we are through this current bullshit, that should have been sorted months ago.

Love and Peace, The Fox

 

[JAG]

Mate please tell me you are taking the p1ss about the facebook page ? If I fell for it I give you a double thumbs up.

Not taking the p1ss mate. The reason behind the FB is due to many of the locals have no idea about or use twitter. FB is there way of communicating. The link doesn't work by the way, he is trying to fix it ATM.

 

[Samus]

Lots of jungle drums beating in the Congo, I think we all hear most of them now thanks to Kiki and others. Not to mention AVZ being more on the front foot with sharing information etc. (Yet a little fuck’en late if you ask me)

Is Nigel warming up for a victory lap? Maybe. Very keen to hear the feedback from Perth meeting. Or read the AVZ announcements just prior.

To be honest I’m a little AVZ burnt out these days. Spent significant hours, days and weeks in the past trying to understand where things are at while communicating with as many connections as possible. All this has taken a toll, my motivation to seek out information at the moment is just about gone.

It is obvious things are coming to a head particularly with the Roadshows taking place. Since the first of these is within days, I’ll see what comes from the first meeting and if any motivation to dig around again returns thereafter.

AVZ management will have to step up and treat shareholders a little better IMO. Maybe all sins will be forgiven in the near future assuming all matters are sorted. I don’t know. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the reasons for the Roadshows is to appeal or win over larger shareholders to avoid any trouble coming up from the ranks regarding non-disclosure and other claims.

I’m pretty angry at management, and I use that word loosely. It’s hard to see what they have done right or wrong with the lack of information they provided, as such it doesn’t pass the pub test or smell test IMO.

Granted if there are legal or important strategic reasons not to disclose things that’s fine, or at least understandable. Yet the company could have stated same to shareholders along the way and made the usual “unable to comment when matters are before the courts as to avoid prejudice etc, adversely affect AVZ legal position etc, rights or claims etc. Yet it was almost like let’s ignore it all and hope the disclosure issue goes away.

It’s all well and fine to say other parties are full of shit and spreading lies and that’s all we are going to say. But when things are in the courts, even a low level local court, this should be disclosed to shareholders and the market, right back in 2021 etc.

If everything was disclosed in real time the fight could have been taken public and all the groups that have supported AVZ could have mobilised earlier, including reporters, shareholders, civil society groups and there would have been more political pressure applied earlier rather then later. The IGF would have moved the court case to Kinshasa many months earlier. MoP caught out earlier, Zijin tail between the legs earlier. Cong with his hand out earlier.

The outcomes would likely be the same, just completed earlier. Would the SP have suffered a hit earlier, of course. Would it bounce back earlier yes.

Who ever provided the strategy to AVZ to keep your head down and let’s just tread quietly has been wrong. All this shit including Zijin should have been hit with a hammer on the head in real time, meetings called with Felix immediately, not one year after Zijin try to steal part of Manono.

Who has benefited from this saga dragging out??? AVZ advisors? Certainly not shareholders I can tell you that.

Anyway, rant over. I’ve been invited but not attending Roadshows, I don’t like being lied to and provided false information and I’ve had enough of that from Nigel.

Tempted to hand back my VIP membership to the AVZ Sunshine and Lollipops group, however that would be a step to far. I’ll just sulk a little longer then bounce back when we are through this current bullshit, that should have been sorted months ago.

Love and Peace, The Fox

Post of the year foxy! Burnt out part happened to me a lot sooner
However I also believe there is good reason for some hope atm.
Got my invite here as well but it's going to take a mining licence minimum in order to muster up enough enthusiasm to attend.

 

[Frank]

That’s still looking mint mate, new bumper waiting for Tbag Tommy I see… Few stains already .

“I swear officer Tbag Tommy jumped out in front while I was picking up the nuns from church



GLTAH & Fuck Tommy

If the TARDIS can take out two Kangaroos and still travel through time and space

Then it can easily take out Tommy with a T-Bone to the TBag and survive

Food for thought

Fuck Tommy

GLTAH's

Frank