AVZ Discussion 2022

[Azzler]

I suspect you’re here to do what you’re accusing me of but unwittingly.

Cool story bro.

 

[BEISHA]

Hmm.. when I brake down what we know, I can't see that being the case.
They would have done their due dilligence and found out about the pre emptive rights, unless Com lied to them about it.
The snack fee, the low price overall, speaks of a bribe and a hope they would be successful, them giving up that deposit speaks to me that it was just the cost of doing business and a risk they took. They would demand their money back if they acted in good faith with the purchase.
And if they were legitimate, it still doesn't mean it was Com's to legally sell anyway.
If in an alternative universe they did get the 15%, we can still go mining with a majority (however I would sell out if they did).

So are we doubting that video we were shown about Zijin giving back the shares and forfitting the deposit?
I know people would rightfully believe they are still at the table with the ICC hearing still going ahead, but as I said in a previous post, they would need to complete those hearings to be able to answer to their shareholders/stakeholders.

Fuck me time seems to be going slower than molassis in winter!!!
But what else are we gonna do since none of us can stop thinking about and speculating about all of this drama.

I am not doubting nor believing anything................I have always said, ASX announcements is the real truth metre.

One would also like to think that we can trust our BOD for the truth metre too via roadshow or AGM too.

Until then...

 

[Hudnut]

My responses to the questions posed by the Artist Formerly Known As R2D2:


How has Tshisekedi been cleaning up the “place up”?

- DGAF as long as any corruption affecting AVZ is dealt with.

Why could Tshisedeki not stop the Portfolio Ministry and Cominiere from transacting, because there was a State asset sale freeze?

- Refer answer 1

Why has AVZ not recognized the alleged state asset freeze?

- Probably because if no-one else is, then it isn't a freeze and we've got a mine to get going.

Why did the Congolese state make a joint venture easily with AJN but not AVZ?

- I don't care happens with other companies. Just AVZ.

Is Klaus Eckhof an opponent of AVZ in Manono?

- Don't care as long as we get a mine sooner rather than later.

If not, why is he assisting Simon Cong with AJN and TTX?

- Don't care, but probably 'cause he is remunerated. I'd rather focus on how AVZ get to mining.

Is CATL involved still with Cong and Tantalex? I refer to the equity injection in 2018 by CATL chairman Zheng Yuqun.

- Not really relevant. Companies can deal with multiple companies you know.

Did Klaus Eckhof engage in insider trading between June 04 to June 07 2018?

- And how does knowing that help us now?

Do you still enjoy a close association with Mr Eckhof?

- Still DGAF, as long as we get mining he can be best friends with Satan for all I care.


So let's not waste time with 9 questions that are downramping history lessons and will chew up time un-necessarily. None of the above questions will result in information re: current state of affairs and what happens next re: ML and mining.

Keep focused on:

1. - What is the current state of play?
2. Finding out how we get to mining from here, and when the ML is coming.
3. - What timeframes we are talking about?
4. - How realistic those timeframes are
5. - Getting some decent information from the BOD from now on, rather than the unsatisfactory, obtuse and brief ASX announcements we currently get. This leads to wild speculation and uninformed pissed off investors.
6. - Letting them know the BOD performance so far re: disclosure and updating shareholders is not satisfactory, and we are very unhappy about it. Forget the ASX, I'm talking about disclosure to us.
7. - Any reference to "imminent" will result in immediate and repeated pineappling.

 

[whales]

A bit incorrect. I mentioned he is from the same tribe as Prime Minister, not President. However, at the moment I would prefer to refrain from any theories and assumptions until tomorrow.

Thank you for your reply.
Good to know that the President is not from same tribe.
Hopefully the IGF can have a major influence and the court case Instigated by IGF against Cominiere provides enough evidence to remove DG of CAMI.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

@Der Geist has now limited access to his profile

He really has turned this into the crapper

 

[Samus]

Thank you for your reply.
Good to know that the President is not from same tribe.
Hopefully the IGF can have a major influence and the court case Instigated by IGF against Cominiere provides enough evidence to remove DG of CAMI.

It's difficult to understand why they can't just yank him out by the scruff and heave him out the door.
Perhaps the BOD can enlighten us a bit more about this at the roadshows as well.

 

[Roon]

Fingers crossed we get a detailed update announcement from AVZ management tomorrow.

 

[CHB]

Fingers crossed we get a detailed update announcement from AVZ management tomorrow.

definitely - very excited to tomorrow and hearing about the roadshow.

Will be the most information we would have gotten in over a year

 

[Fletch77]

I’m just glad I wasn’t drunk or high reading the last 4 or 5 pages just now

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

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Edit: I may have misread some of those - seems they DO want the factory in Manono, because they don't want other provinces to take advantage of Manono's lithium for their own benefit - am I reading it right? In which case, I wonder who burned our Landcruiser?

This may answer your question.

Tanganyika : marche des jeunes de Kalemie pour exiger l'installation de l'usine de fabrication de batterie à base de lithium à Manono

Plusieurs structures de jeunes de la province du Tanganyika dont le conseil urbain de la jeunesse, ont organisé ce lundi 24 octobre, à Kalemie, une marche pour exiger l'installation de l'usine de fabrication de batterie à base du lithium à

actualite.cd

 

[cruiser51]

Fingers crossed we get a detailed update announcement from AVZ management tomorrow.

What do you reckon, tomorrow end of trading 1pm WA time, Roadshow 5pm WA time, announcement 7am WA time, or 1.01pm WA time?

Or 8 am WA time having a cuppa, 8.30 am WA time fuck the dog, 10 am WA time 'oh yeah that bloody announcement, or stuff it, we will tell them later?

 

[MoneyBags1348]

I know it’s bad and certainly frustrating @Fletch77 but there’s an effort going on by Der Geist - ChrisU (R2D2) to steer the conversation towards attacking AVZ in a way that would not only be detrimental to AVZ, but also to shareholders.

That agenda along with pure trolling for the purpose of disrupting questions and conversations already underway

 

[TDITD]

@Der Geist you ‘appear’ to post information but to anyone who looks closely at your content it’s not hard to see that your information is agenda driven and not as informative as you would like others to believe.

I thought you were the one who was going to provide Cong’s number to anyone here, now you suggest to @JAG that it was someone else.

Your constant referring to AVZ’s legal accountability and ASIC is misleading as anyone who has experience communicating with ASIC knows.

I personally feel that you are either in cahoots with R2D2 (and his alter ego) or you are all the same person.

You talk about Cong contacting ASIC…. If anything mate, my belief is that you have worked with Cong and that Cong orchestrated the the timing of the Dathomir claim with Mupande’s refusal to sign the ML and I suspect you had knowledge of both.

What I would really be interested in, is seeing you perform against a lie detector.

You may have @Roon and @Xerof and a few others thinking your information is worth considering, but to me, let’s just say…. You know what Cong is having for lunch

The fact that at this very moment modo just ‘liked’ one of my posts only confirms that you are all four of the above mentioned and you are working together.

No sense me getting bothered by it, more important is what you and Cong are up to.

 

[TDITD]

Look I don't know shit and this is just my thoughts on the matter.

But something doesn't smell right with geist, yes I was hearing his warnings but gee, how come he semeed to be the only one who knew what was going on? And his attitude at the time was heavily down ramping style of the trolls, at least it appeared that way to me.
Yes agenda driven, manipulative, appears to me to be deliberately confusing, the coded language to me screams smokescreen, the opposite of transparent and clear. At first I thought it might be an ASD kind of thing (not derogatory, I've supported many in my work and recognise certain traits), but now you've pointed it out I see it a bit clearer myself, and it looks like deliberate convolusions to me.

It's not hard to speak clearly and make it obvious what your intentions are.
I think it's also not hard to deliberately muddy your language for the purpose of deception and confusion too.

NOTHING he/she says is ever clear.

Just my thoughts to get others thinking about it too.

P.S. Also, anyone elses ears pricked up about the frequent paranoia about doxxing? Warning people against it? Just sounds like identity paranoia to me. No one else carries on about it like they do.

 

[TDITD]

Just a thought...

Why does a zero holder believes he/she/they should try to influence the behaviour of shareholders during a company 'Road Show'/'AGM', while using a multitude of different names? What is their real interest? Do they have an axe to grind? Why all the names?
Why do they show up at the same time? Are they behind their computer, by a fluke all at the same time?
I mean What the Fuck!

I know one thing for sure, they don't behave like that to help to improve MY financial position!

 

[ptlas]

ANYWAY....

Here is some more speculation from me that you top blokes and ladies might enjoy...

What if the Zijin/Comminarie, as well as the Dathomir/Cong issues, are really no issue at all, and never truly were.
Which is why it was indeed immaterial and why BOD didn't bother to inform the market.

We don't yet truly know what this massive extension is really about.
What if it is only about the tenement CDL cut-off thing?

I'm saying this because a lot of us are furious we werent alerted to these issues with ownership % earlier... but what if they're nothing to do with the hold up?
I'm just speculating, but I'd say we are mostly assuming it is to do with that. But it might not be.

I guess I'm just saying, let's wait and see.

I think you said a lot without saying very much

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

I know it’s bad and certainly frustrating @Fletch77 but there’s an effort going on by Der Geist - ChrisU (R2D2) to steer the conversation towards attacking AVZ in a way that would not only be detrimental to AVZ, but also to shareholders.

That agenda along with pure trolling for the purpose of disrupting questions and conversations already underway

Surely its no coincidence that Der Geist & ChrisU (R2D2) are more active when Ann is "imminent" (sorry) and RS starts in 25 Hrs. I agree with prev poster - "try to decipher good from bad info in Der Geist's posts", even though MB is probs right about him. ChrisU is just a waste of time. Go AVZ !!!

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Look folks, most here know I’m sincere,
I’m a large holder and I want AVZ to succeed but I’m not scared of fronting them or being scathing if I think it is warranted.

I’ve put this post in bold because it probably means more to me than anything else I’ve posted on TSE.

I personally believe Der Geist and R2D2 (and his new alias Chris U) have an agenda to try and steer shareholders into accusing AVZ of acting illegally in regards to their market sensitive disclosures.

I would not be surprised if he (or they, which ever is the case) turns up to a Roadshow or the AGM with this in mind and is hoping they will have backing from other shareholders to push their agenda.

The reason for this is bullshit for us, as frustrated and angry as we may be, it would totally oppose our purpose of moving forward and our chances of getting answers on so many levels.

A simple person may think it’s an attempt to cause a drop in SP coming out of suspension creating a buy opportunity but that’s a weak reason.

Der Geist has admitted he has colluded with Simon Cong, and a few hours ago he limited access to his account here so you cannot access his posts through his account.

This is what he has previously posted:

“When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are”

“He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend”

He also communicated with the Australian Financial Review’s Tom (who we know colluded with Boatman) saying

“When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp”

“When I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy”

I’ve tried to help fellow shareholders here by offering information as well as some humour along the way, but there comes a point where you all have to make an informed judgment and not keep sitting on the fence.

Goodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

I see they got the date wrong. Dickheads.

 

[Nellie17]

Look folks, most here know I’m sincere,
I’m a large holder and I want AVZ to succeed but I’m not scared of fronting them or being scathing if I think it is warranted.

I’ve put this post in bold because it probably means more to me than anything else I’ve posted on TSE.

I personally believe Der Geist and R2D2 (and his new alias Chris U) have an agenda to try and steer shareholders into accusing AVZ of acting illegally in regards to their market sensitive disclosures.

I would not be surprised if he (or they, which ever is the case) turns up to a Roadshow or the AGM with this in mind and is hoping they will have backing from other shareholders to push their agenda.

The reason for this is bullshit for us, as frustrated and angry as we may be, it would totally oppose our purpose of moving forward and our chances of getting answers on so many levels.

A simple person may think it’s an attempt to cause a drop in SP coming out of suspension creating a buy opportunity but that’s a weak reason.

Der Geist has admitted he has colluded with Simon Cong, and a few hours ago he limited access to his account here so you cannot access his posts through his account.

This is what he has previously posted:

“When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are”

“He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend”

He also communicated with the Australian Financial Review’s Tom (who we know colluded with Boatman) saying

“When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp”

“When I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy”

I’ve tried to help fellow shareholders here by offering information as well as some humour along the way, but there comes a point where you all have to make an informed judgment and not keep sitting on the fence.

Goodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

Good afternoon Money,

Just a quick thank you for all the work you did trying to hook Wombat and myself up, only to find out that our little fury friend is already taken!

Totally agree with your post and in my opinion 'he' (der geist) is a mangy dog, with plenty of fleas!

I wouldn't put anything past him at all. Geez who knows, he has probably been paid for some of his twitter postings before. But geez who knows?

Anyway looking forward to tomorrow afternoon where we can hopefully gain some insights to what is happening with our company.

Cheers,
Nells