AVZ Discussion 2022

[wombat74]

For those who were hoping to load up on PLS when it pulled back to $1.97 in June but were unable to because you were trapped in the AVZ nightmare shit show , my deepest condolences .

 

[Remark]

2022 word of the year: imminent

All things considered including the things we don’t know yet

pitter patter, let’s get at er

Extra points for the Letterkenny reference

 

[Carlos Danger]

They should put it on zoom

I remember around this time last year someone on the crapper asking if anyone could imagine the AGM without AVZ having the mining license.

Most of the responders shouted them down for wrongthink and told them that Nigel said it was coming soon so no other discussion should be allowed.

One person jestingly replied if they meant 2021 or 2022. It's looking like every joke has its truth.

If we are still in suspension with no license at the AGM this year then zoom would be a waste of an opportunity. We could sell that pitchfork session for millions on pay per view.

 

[Samus]

President Felix Tshisekedi long-awaited speech at the 77th United Nations General Assembly​

septembre 19, 2022

The Head of State at the United Nations podium in September 2021

New York, September 19th, 2022 (CPA) – The speech that the President of the Republic Felix Antoine Tshisekedi will deliver from the top of the United Nations rostrum, during his 77th session of the Assembly, the inaugural day of which is scheduled for Tuesday, is eagerly awaited, CPA has learned from official sources.
His speech comes in a particular national context marked by the proven aggression of DRC by Rwanda, via M23; the Nairobi and Luanda peace processes as well as the turmoil over the mandate of the United Nations Stabilization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUSCO).
Disavowed by a population tired of seeing the Blue Helmets camped out in an observer position, without convincing results for two decades, UN mission awaits an honourable exit from its mandate. For all these issues, the President of the Republic expects, in his speech, to mobilize the international community and obtain from it multifaceted support and a clear response, it is announced.
The climate issue at the summit
As on every occasion those world leaders meet lately, the climate issue comes up in all speeches and we cannot discuss this issue without referring to DRC.
World leaders therefore expect from President Tshisekedi the presentation of the assets of DRC in this sector as a « country-solution », as well as a word on the production of strategic minerals, his State being the depositary of rare precious materials which particularly in the production of electric cars.
In his capacity as current President of the Economic Community of Central African States (ECCAS) and the Southern African Development Community (SADC), the Head of State will appear at the United Nations platform with credible alternatives regarding the green economy and climate change.
Since the forests of Central Africa and the Congo Basin constitute a global lung, it is important that the Congolese Head of State demands, on behalf of the continent and his peers, compensation for the polluters who find themselves on the side of the countries industrialized.
The ball of speeches at the 77th session of the General Assembly will be opened this Tuesday, September 20th with the President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, we are informed.
Welcome of the presidential couple upon their arrival in New York
The Head of State accompanied by the First Lady, Denise Nyakeru Tshisekedi, arrived in the early hours of Monday in New York. Deputy Prime Minister, Minister in charge of Foreign Affairs, Christophe Lutundula; his colleague in charge of Environment, Eve Bazaiba, the Ministers in charge of Finance Nicolas Kazadi and of Communication and Media, Patrick Muyaya, accompanied the President of the Republic to these meetings.
During the 76th General Assembly of the United Nations held in September 2021, in the same American city, the President of the Democratic Republic of Congo, at the time Chairman-in-Office of the African Union, addressed in his speech several subjects, including the COVID-19 pandemic, global warming as well as terrorism in Africa and around the world.
Regarding DRC, President Felix Tshisekedi had focused in particular on the issue of the fight against corruption, human rights violations and security. On this subject, he had indicated that the state of siege established in the provinces of Ituri and Nord Kivu will only be lifted « when the circumstances which motivated it disappear », it is recalled. ACP/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/acpcongo.com/index.php/2022/09/19/president-felix-tshisekedi-long-awaited-speech-at-the-77th-united-nations-general-assembly/amp/

 

[Frank]

I personally don’t mind takeover talk, even better a bidding war between multiple parties showing their hand would be beneficial to the SP.
We can decline cheap offers & AVZ moves forward with mine development.

If a TO bid was put forward before we resume trading once the ML was awarded for $1.50 we sure as hell wont be trading at 78c.
Personally I’d take $2.50 and walk away from this DRC shit show now even knowing it’s worth many times that value once in production.

I’ve still got no idea how this thing will trade once it opens even if we come through with all the boxes ticked.
Many holders must be mentally drained from this whole debacle.
It is encouraging though to see the large increase in market caps on other lithium stocks.

I’m disgusted the way AVZ & Nigel has been treated by the DRC, watching us falling out of the ASX 200 with these delays, destroy our planning & timelines with another 5+ months of delays waiting for CAMI to sign off on the ML but instead some moron decides to try & illegally cut our tenements.

Is this how you treat a genuine brown paper bag free business partner?
Doesn’t really reward good behaviour or send much of a message to the rest of the world does it?

How can it take this long for high level government officials to sort out this clown at CAMI with so much at stake for the DRC?

*Ditto Bro, Well said, Nice to hear from you as well

All the Best

Cheers

Frank

 

[BEISHA]

I sense that we have a discussion going on where we have comments on what is a possible result and what is a probable result. Yes, it is possible that all our dreams will come true and AVZ will obtain 90% of the project and onsell 24% to Cath and then go mining. One of the other probable alternatives is that AVZ will be forced to compromise on its options and accept a less favourable outcome.

AVZ is a small company, with limited capacity, limited experience, and no track record of operating a mine in DRC. On the other hand, there are numerous Chinese companies already operating in the DRC. The Chinese have invested billions, have networks of influence, and are prepared to pay to get what they want. We should all be able to see that trying to get what we believe are contractual rights processed, is difficult to achieve in the DRC environment.

I am assuming that AVZ is having difficulty in getting approval for the total area they appear to be entitled to. I suspect that this is the reason for the suspension. AVZ by being in suspension has benefits which include limits to short selling and helps to puts pressure back on the DRC officials to fix the problems. AVZ need to remain in suspension until they get at least the ML.

AVZ is now fighting on many fronts to stop the possible claim jumpers. I assume that Tantalex is pushing for access to not only surface rights to the dumps of material, but also arguing for total access to this area as well. One of their arguments will be that AVZ has more area than they can use now, and Tantalex can quickly get another mine in operation which will be a major benefit to DRC.
Klaus Ekhoff has many contacts ( including probably the ones he used to get AVZ's initial area ) and he will also be pushing for access to good Lithium areas.
Zijin will be making offers to support Tantalex or Klaus etc. Saving face is important to the Chinese and with their access to large amounts of capital, it is highly probable that they will be making takeover offers.
We also now have at least the Americans trying to get in the game. It would make sense if they could take a part of AVZ ( who will need the capital and also to dilute the large Chinese shareholding already in AVZ)

AVZ has outstanding problems such as the Dathomir issue, the Zijin arbitration, and CAMI playing hardball in finalising the ML. All of these problems could take some further months to complete.

AVZ has been waiting for about 12 months to try and get the ML. This by itself indicates that AVZ does not have the clout in the DRC to get these problems quickly sorted. Will CATH's involvement, or perhaps some European or American support help to eliminate the logjam?

I see the possibility that CATH may step in to assist AVZ in sorting out Dathomir to get their 24% finalised and AVZ holding 51%.

Only the DRC can sort out the ML and AVZ's land area. The comments about the Europeans and Americans with regard to cleaning up corruption before they invest should be positive for AVZ's claims.

With AVZ the David in the fight against Goliath, I suspect that we will have many more twists and turns before the dust settles.

My impression is that the project possibilities are so big that AVZ will be under constant pressure to sell its share in the project. With a large Chinese shareholding in AVZ, any official takeover offer by a Chinese company will be well supported.

Like all long-term shareholders, I would prefer AVZ to stay with the project and maximize shareholders returns. However, with a red hot lithium market, I expect some compromises which will reduce potential returns.

Best of luck to all.

First of all, welcome GRASSSEEDS to AVZ TSE forum !

" I expect some compromises which will reduce potential returns "

I can tell ya...........the world is watching this cluster fuck with AVZ / DRC / ZIJIN......

If we ( AVZ ) have to compromise what is rightfully ours..............then any hope of DRC dragging in foreign investment other than China, is DOOMED.

Despite 30 ++yrs of China " investment " + corruption in DRC .........how is the countries finances going ?

Fucked.........they should be as rich as WA.

Felix and his regime has a once in a life time opportunity to turn the wheel............clean up the scum that betrayed their people by stealing via brown paper bags, send a message to China that proper protocol regards to future investment is required to realise the true worth for DRC.

Felix needs to make a statement on both of those fronts, he also needs to convince his own people that he is a DOER not a TALKER......or he will not win the next election, then the country is completely fucked.

What better statement to make by granting AVZ whats rightfully theirs, jail the corrupt perpertrators within the DRC Govt, give the bird to ZIJIN, tell Eckhoff to fuck off , grant the SEZ, grant the ML and get construction of ROCHE DURE done ASAP , which in turn will get the ball rolling to fulfill the BATTERY HUB dream.

Then , everyone will take Felix seriously, the common folk will believe, the foreign community will believe and China will have no choice but to be above board or................... miss out.

DRC will then thrive.

Time is running out Felix, IGF report is CLEAR, next election is 2023, the time to act and make a statement to the world........is NOW!


imo

 

[Frank]

First of all, welcome GRASSSEEDS to AVZ TSE forum !

" I expect some compromises which will reduce potential returns "

I can tell ya...........the world is watching this cluster fuck with AVZ / DRC / ZIJIN......

If we ( AVZ ) have to compromise what is rightfully ours..............then any hope of DRC dragging in foreign investment other than China, is DOOMED.

Despite 30 ++yrs of China " investment " + corruption in DRC .........how is the countries finances going ?

Fucked.........they should be as rich as WA.

Felix and his regime has a once in a life time opportunity to turn the wheel............clean up the scum that betrayed their people by stealing via brown paper bags, send a message to China that proper protocol regards to future investment is required to realise the true worth for DRC.

Felix needs to make a statement on both of those fronts, he also needs to convince his own people that he is a DOER not a TALKER......or he will not win the next election, then the country is completely fucked.

What better statement to make by granting AVZ whats rightfully theirs, jail the corrupt perpertrators within the DRC Govt, give the bird to ZIJIN, tell Eckhoff to fuck off , grant the SEZ, grant the ML and get construction of ROCHE DURE done ASAP , which in turn will get the ball rolling to fulfill the BATTERY HUB dream.

Then , everyone will take Felix seriously, the common folk will believe, the foreign community will believe and China will have no choice but to be above board or................... miss out.

DRC will then thrive.

Time is running out Felix, IGF report is CLEAR, next election is 2023, the time to act and make a statement to the world........is NOW!


imo

*Ditto Bro, I concur, especially as you say ( They should be as rich as WA )

Been thinking the exact same thing myself tbo

Cheers

Frank

 

[Doc]

Plot twist; CDL tenement rights been taken off the DRC website because Nigel had it successfully removed under the joint venture and has now applied directly under AVZ Minerals.

What a dream that was

 

[whales]

First of all, welcome GRASSSEEDS to AVZ TSE forum !

" I expect some compromises which will reduce potential returns "

I can tell ya...........the world is watching this cluster fuck with AVZ / DRC / ZIJIN......

If we ( AVZ ) have to compromise what is rightfully ours..............then any hope of DRC dragging in foreign investment other than China, is DOOMED.

Despite 30 ++yrs of China " investment " + corruption in DRC .........how is the countries finances going ?

Fucked.........they should be as rich as WA.

Felix and his regime has a once in a life time opportunity to turn the wheel............clean up the scum that betrayed their people by stealing via brown paper bags, send a message to China that proper protocol regards to future investment is required to realise the true worth for DRC.

Felix needs to make a statement on both of those fronts, he also needs to convince his own people that he is a DOER not a TALKER......or he will not win the next election, then the country is completely fucked.

What better statement to make by granting AVZ whats rightfully theirs, jail the corrupt perpertrators within the DRC Govt, give the bird to ZIJIN, tell Eckhoff to fuck off , grant the SEZ, grant the ML and get construction of ROCHE DURE done ASAP , which in turn will get the ball rolling to fulfill the BATTERY HUB dream.

Then , everyone will take Felix seriously, the common folk will believe, the foreign community will believe and China will have no choice but to be above board or................... miss out.

DRC will then thrive.

Time is running out Felix, IGF report is CLEAR, next election is 2023, the time to act and make a statement to the world........is NOW!


imo

F T has been exactly what you have suggested but with the backing of the legal system.
First he got cabinet members support then new judges and recent IGF report .
Obe Wan has given a good summary on hotcrapper.
IMO ÀVZ wants all issues resolved before trading again .
Hopefully the DG of CAMI is removed .
ALL IMO

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

Plot twist; CDL tenement rights been taken off the DRC website because Nigel had it successfully removed under the joint venture and has now applied directly under AVZ Minerals.

What a dream that was

You been on the Peyote?

Anyone keen to start a "Where's my elephant?" chant at the AGM?

 

[Rediah]

Plot twist; CDL tenement rights been taken off the DRC website because Nigel had it successfully removed under the joint venture and has now applied directly under AVZ Minerals.

What a dream that was

Is it a good thing for us? I went to Twitter ( i know what a credible source, but hey AVZ is NOT disclosing any of their cards) to verify what you said but all i came across was hundreds of bot's posts about AVZ.

So, please ....

Sorry i am brain dead as its been seesaw sentiments here,
One minute we think it will be hitting $2,$3, $5 and beyond and then nek-minute we are happy for $1.50 TO

 

[Doc]

Is it a good thing for us? I went to Twitter ( i know what a credible source, but hey AVZ is NOT disclosing any of their cards) to verify what you said but all i came across was hundreds of bot's posts about AVZ.

So, please ....

Sorry i am brain dead as its been seesaw sentiments here,
One minute we think it will be hitting $2,$3, $5 and beyond and then nek-minute we are happy for $1.50 TO

Apologies thought that last line would of covered the seriousness of my post

 

[BEISHA]

F T has been exactly what you have suggested but with the backing of the legal system.
First he got cabinet members support then new judges and recent IGF report .
Obe Wan has given a good summary on hotcrapper.
IMO ÀVZ wants all issues resolved before trading again .
Hopefully the DG of CAMI is removed .
ALL IMO

From all the snippets of info offered up here, it certainly appears that FT is turning things around......

BUT...........

FT has been the president of DRC since 25/1/2019..........

IGF report was released some 3+ months ago..........

AVZ has been sitting in the doldrums for 5 .5 months...............

lots of talk..........not enuff action

I certainly hope AVZ relist is not contingent on the result of the ICC arbitration..........

Cause its been 5 months just to confirm a one person mediator / judge........

How long will it take to come up with a decision ?

If AVZ dont relist by 10/10...........then my next post will look something like this..............

Is for AVZ to relist...

Is for AVZ to relist...

Is for AVZ to relist...

 

[Samus]

From all the snippets of info offered up here, it certainly appears that FT is turning things around......

BUT...........

FT has been the president of DRC since 25/1/2019..........

IGF report was released some 3+ months ago..........

AVZ has been sitting in the doldrums for 5 .5 months...............

lots of talk..........not enuff action

I certainly hope AVZ relist is not contingent on the result of the ICC arbitration..........

Cause its been 5 months just to confirm a one person mediator / judge........

How long will it take to come up with a decision ?

If AVZ dont relist by 10/10...........then my next post will look something like this..............


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Is for AVZ to relist...

Is for AVZ to relist...

Is for AVZ to relist...

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[MoneyBags1348]

Is it a good thing for us? I went to Twitter ( i know what a credible source, but hey AVZ is NOT disclosing any of their cards) to verify what you said but all i came across was hundreds of bot's posts about AVZ.

So, please ....

Sorry i am brain dead as its been seesaw sentiments here,
One minute we think it will be hitting $2,$3, $5 and beyond and then nek-minute we are happy for $1.50 TO

Rediah, I’ve stopped contributing to the forum because way too much bullshit and unrelated and unresearched comments for me but I just wanted to reply to you.

PLS now have a market capital of $15billion, low grade product and half the size us, and although there are producing, battery manufacturers want high grade product and we have the highest.

Due to supply issues and rising interest rates world wide, battery factories and EV manufacturers are running behind schedule, but still investments around batteries are now heading toward the $trillion range and even though we are behind schedule, we should be in the sweet spot.

Too many panic merchants and shareholders who have had enough now wanting a TO…. short term perspective in my view. There’s already been infrastructure around Manono’s routes to market and agreements made between the DRC, Zambia and other states so there’s no facts that the project and transport won’t be built in the time frame…. just a lot of conjecture based around past corruption issues. Of course it’s been hard for Felix to clean up the politics and corruption, and it’s been hard for Nigel to give accurate timelines, we’ve all had the shits with him, but those of us that have spoken to him at length possibly have a different understanding than those who just post fucken bullshit.

Aside from that, I’m 95% sure that R2D2 is a troll, and suspect has mates ready to join in.

I don’t want a reply to this post because I’m sick of reading bullshit and want to spend my time on things that mean more to me, but finish by saying I don’t regard your post as part of the bullshit

 

[Winenut]

Wait

R2D2 is a...... troll???

 

[Samus]

TANGANYIKA/ SOCIETY: The PDST citizen movement denounces the social and administrative crisis currently raging in the Province​

TANGANYIKA/ SOCIÉTÉ : Le mouvement citoyen PDST dénonce la crise sociale et administrative qui sévi actuellement dans la Province

Dans une dénonciation rendue publique le lundi 16 septembre 2022 dans une correspondance portant la signature de Monsieur Nathan Mugisho Miruho, Président du PARLMENT DEBOUT SANS TABOU DU TANGANYIK…

masharikirdc.net

 

[Samus]

 

[Winenut]

He looks extremely pleased to receive the award....

 

[Thaz]

He looks extremely pleased to receive the award....

He has seen some shit.