AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

The only source we have so far is a Chinese owned news outlet that is only quoting Zijin's lawyers and hasn't provided a copy of the decision or offered a right of reply to AVZ. They said this was announced by Zijin but there is nothing on their English website so far that I can see. But it would be an extremely strange thing for them to fake this story and given Tommy's retraction of the words 'bad news' in his tweet today my spidey senses tell me something good has happened.

Hopefully we get an announcement with more detail imminently as indicated last week. The key detail is the reasoning given by the ICC. But we wanted it thrown out on jurisdiction and Zijin didn't so chances are they just got fucking pineappled. As for the idea that they could then go back through the back alley DRC court system I would imagine that will be 'spurious and without merit'. It certainly isn't in the Dathcom JVA and isn't working out well so far for Cominiere and Dathomir imo

 

[cruiser51]

Anyone thought for a second that Jin Cheng/Zijin "wanted" the ICC to find they don't have jurisdiction on the matter so it ensured the case is heard back in the "good old DRC/brown paper bag land" where influence can be easily bought and ministers, bureaucrats and more importantly "judges" decisons are just a stack of Yuan away?

Maybe Celestin's wife can preside over the court in this matter as she has in others before

Fuck me....

Sorry nut, you are not on my 'to be fukked list'.
You can wait till AVZ is US$12 and it still won't happen.
I'll have a shiraz with you, even 12 of these

but that is as far as the friendship goes.
Capiche? No fukkin hanky panky!

Fuk Zijin from every possible angle.

 

[Pokok]

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Yes 2.30am ,, yes WTF am i still awake

 

[cruiser51]

The only source we have so far is a Chinese owned news outlet that is only quoting Zijin's lawyers and hasn't provided a copy of the decision or offered a right of reply to AVZ. They said this was announced by Zijin but there is nothing on their English website so far that I can see. But it would be an extremely strange thing for them to fake this story and given Tommy's retraction of the words 'bad news' in his tweet today my spidey senses tell me something good has happened.

Hopefully we get an announcement with more detail imminently as indicated last week. The key detail is the reasoning given by the ICC. But we wanted it thrown out on jurisdiction and Zijin didn't so chances are they just got fucking pineappled. As for the idea that they could then go back through the back alley DRC court system I would imagine that will be 'spurious and without merit'. It certainly isn't in the Dathcom JVA and isn't working out well so far for Cominiere and Dathomir imo

As far as I understand, In the Dathcom JV between AVZ, Dathomir and Cominière it states clearly that any disagreement between the JV partners has to be resolved by the ICC.
Jin Chen illegally bought 15% of Dathcom and thinking they were now a Dathcom JV partner raced to the ICC to complain about AVZ, because AVZ simply did not recognise them as a JV partner.
So if the ICC says to Jin Chen: sorry guys, we cannot discuss your problem, it actually means Jin Chen is not a JV partner.

However the Chinese kunties kept on playing this game, while they knew they had bucklies to win it, to drag the case and AVZ finances out.

At the same time Zijin made the illegal deal with Cominière to first remove Dathcom from 13359 followed by splitting 13359 up and Zijin acquired 61% of the northern section, which included the water resource, the camp AVZ built, the library of all the drilling cores ond on top of that they progressed with the revamp of the MP power station to make sure that AVZ was properly and royally fucked over.
DRC/Cominiere is now claiming AVZ did not progress fast enough, however AVZ could not move forwards without a Mining License, which the MoM and cohorts very nicely did not provide, because AVZ is not in a situation to hand out brown paper bags.
Australian registered companies who partake in that type of activities can be penalised in Australia. Most Australian companies have it written in their Code of Conduct.

How this will progress is interesting, but AVZ legal reps have always said Zijin, Cominierie, Dathomir and DRC Government officials are operating in contravention of DRC law.
To this point AVZ has not been proven wrong.

Go AVZ fukkin GO!

 

[Mr_Tones83]

Before everyone panics... Zijin/Jin Cheng not having jurisdiction at ICC is what we wanted declared. We asked for the case to be split into 2 parts - jurisdiction and merits because we knew the case would be quashed on jurisdiction and no need for merits to be heard (7SUR7.CD claims that ICC wouldn't deal with issues of corruption etc. because AVZ lost, this is not the case, it just comes under merits and not jurisdiction).

This means a few things:
- ICC will still deal with the stake purportedly sold by Cominiere to Jin Cheng as this was wrongdoing by Cominiere who is a valid JV partner. This is part of AVZ's separate case against Cominiere.
- The combined case of damages brought by Jin Cheng and Cominiere at ICC will also be done on no jurisdiction due to Jin Cheng not being a JV partner.

The Chinese will always put their spin on the outcome, but we have seen their BS in the past. 7SUR7.CD has always been linked to Kibeya's propaganda, so don't listen to their lies.
Tommy will probably also just quote Zijin.
Wait to hear what the company has to say about it all before jumping to conclusions.

 

[marksmann007]

So basically it took the ICC 6 months to conclude what AVZ knew immediately and have said all along, Zijin / Cheng had no jurisdiction at ICC.

 

[Doc]

So basically it took the ICC 6 months to conclude what AVZ knew immediately and have said all along, Zijin / Cheng had no jurisdiction at ICC.

Its not Zijin's first rodeo. They know how to keep delaying.
Hoping Cruiser is right, JVA states disputes must be settled at ICC so looks like zijin will be chasing its own tail for a while

 

[BenGriffo]

Agree with a few opinions of Cruiser, obe, Carlos, tones. A bad day to be a corrupt regime or a crooked state sponsored actor. Devil will be in the details but couple this with the expected outcome/action from Dathomir case and some significant moves have been made on the chessboard. Jcm can go local but local don’t have jurisdiction of the jva. Comm don’t pay when liquidation of fine happens and it’s v bad from an optics and pressure pov for all remaining cases given they have all been linked pretty conclusively together.

Allow yourselves a smile this morning my friends. Plums are feeling good. Looking fwd to the Ann if/when it arrives.

 

[LOCKY82]

This outcome is being interpreted like a victory by each side, can someone please explain to me like I just learned the English language what the result actually means and what the next steps likely are from both camps? Thanks in advance

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Major loss for Zijin who brought this on, we’re told they aren’t a shareholder and hence cannot bring ICC into the fold. Zijin like cowards will never accept/acknowledge a loss so they’re saying it’s back through the courts at DRC which hold no Wright or value as JV stipulates. Zijin will have to pay avz’ legal fees also the dumb cunts. Don’t listen to 7sur it’s paid Chinese propaganda

 

[Dazmac66]

This outcome is being interpreted like a victory by each side, can someone please explain to me like I just learned the English language what the result actually means and what the next steps likely are from both camps? Thanks in advance

Read the last 2 pages brother!

 

[Azzler]

Chilax bruthas and muthas!

You're just seeing china's damage control panic spin doctoring.
Get their bullshit report on the case out first, inform all their scumbag allies like Tommy.

Hilarious that they phrase it like the ICC not having enough authority to rule on the case.

Wait for the announcement, there's gonna be good shit in it I hear.

Then lets give them all hell on twitter!

 

[wombat74]

It just shows us how f--ked up the legal system/process is . How was this case given the green light to go ahead in the first place ? It has no grounds to even is exist .The fight is between AVZ and Cominiere who illegally sold the 15% .

 

[RHyNO]

I did some deep diving on the old lithium market last night. Does anyone find it a little too serendipitous that our sudden fall from favour coincided with Gina Reinharts Lithium interests? Seems odd that AFR interest and slander and Fat Tail have sprung to existence just as Gina has set up to buy into Azure? Am I crazy? AFR is majority owned by her and fat tail are a bunch of failed hacks from the sector that would be easily swayed by a phone call from her staff. All to undermine our position so Gina could be victorious. I don’t know of her connections with Zinjin but would not put it past her. Just a theory I am hatching. Happy to be wrong. Love to to be right and get her on treason. Money talks bullshit walks. Good luck Nigel.

 

[Panther22]

Chilax bruthas and muthas!

You're just seeing china's damage control panic spin doctoring.
Get their bullshit report on the case out first, inform all their scumbag allies like Tommy.

Hilarious that they phrase it like the ICC not having enough authority to rule on the case.

Wait for the announcement, there's gonna be good shit in it I hear.

Then lets give them all hell on twitter!

Exactly. China will spin in their favor, wait till AVZ announcement. It must be due today if Chinese are writing things.

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Exactly. China will spin in their favor, wait till AVZ announcement. It must be due today if Chinese are writing things.

100% they will, Jin need to be on the front foot to deflect losing the first ICC they brought against AVZ. Not a good look for Jin to have it thrown out due to the jurisdiction technicality. Youd think their lawyers would have known this already? Time and money wasting perhaps? Maybe not so if they have to cover our legal expenses lol Looking forward to further details.

 

[Samus]

if they have to cover our legal expenses lol Looking forward to further details.

Hope so, cunts!

 

[JAG]

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Hope so, cunts!

Yup as announced

 

[Azzler]

3 Million Euros in costs for Zijin.
Now pay up cunts!