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cruiser51

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The Sumrains against the state of kuweit. Perfect overview for some steps. It have both scenarios: suspension because of the try to kick out one arbitrator and suspension because of a agreement.

https://www.italaw.com/sites/default/files/case-documents/italaw16452.pdf

I believe the suspension is more likely because of the try to disqualify a arbitrator and to delay the proceedings. Because in the case of suspension of negotiations the tribunal issued a procedural order to show they take note of the agreement. We didn’t have that yet.

It took close to 3 months for the tribunal to dismiss the try to disqualify. That would match to the Chinese play book to delay and delay, like zijin does in the ICC against us. Remember fasken (zijin lawyer) is part of the icsid drc team. In 3 months they would see if locke will pay us the 20 million. They could see if we have enough money to continue with the proceedings over the next years if necessary. And we face a potential delisting in the near future, without locke and delisted there is the potential that we don’t have access to new money. Only if we relist, but under current circumstances it would be a disaster without a ML and have the potential of a hostile takeover.

The interim orders are still active in suspension. But if the response time really exist for a final order, then this could be on ice until a decision is made because it’s necessary to clarify if a arbitrator is suitable for the proceedings first. There could be a other reason for a suspension, for me in relation to the bigger picture of the evil Chinese plan it could match.
One would think, if all the defence can come up with is methods to delay the inevitable verdict, it is all they can do, they have no case and are playing games.

Courts are well aware of this behaviour as it boils down to the defence trying to exhausts the accuser's financial ability.
I hope the courts will take this in account in partitioning costs and penalties.

Fuck Zijin.
 
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SilentOne

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The Sumrains against the state of kuweit. Perfect overview for some steps. It have both scenarios: suspension because of the try to kick out one arbitrator and suspension because of a agreement.

https://www.italaw.com/sites/default/files/case-documents/italaw16452.pdf

I believe the suspension is more likely because of the try to disqualify a arbitrator and to delay the proceedings. Because in the case of suspension of negotiations the tribunal issued a procedural order to show they take note of the agreement. We didn’t have that yet.

It took close to 3 months for the tribunal to dismiss the try to disqualify. That would match to the Chinese play book to delay and delay, like zijin does in the ICC against us. Remember fasken (zijin lawyer) is part of the icsid drc team. In 3 months they would see if locke will pay us the 20 million. They could see if we have enough money to continue with the proceedings over the next years if necessary. And we face a potential delisting in the near future, without locke and delisted there is the potential that we don’t have access to new money. Only if we relist, but under current circumstances it would be a disaster without a ML and have the potential of a hostile takeover.

The interim orders are still active in suspension. But if the response time really exist for a final order, then this could be on ice until a decision is made because it’s necessary to clarify if a arbitrator is suitable for the proceedings first. There could be a other reason for a suspension, for me in relation to the bigger picture of the evil Chinese plan it could match.
Well all I can say is that the world will not allow the proxies of the CCP steal such a valuable resource by trying to bleed out AVZ and by default control lithium and the spot market - I cant see it happening.

Lets watch for an outcome rather than speculate on possibilities.

Regards,

SilentOne
 
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TheCount

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Anyone on X, get stuck into one of Shane’s identities..
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Dijon101

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Two options for me:

Negotiated outcome

Or

Seeing the case through to ICSID conclusion.

Only 1 of these options would lead to a suspension of the case.


Not going to drive myself insane by speculating anything beyond this.
 
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TheCount

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More cowardice from shaun..

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One suspension condition which may be relevant:

Parallel Proceedings: If related proceedings are taking place in other forums, such as domestic courts or other international arbitration tribunals, parties may seek suspension to avoid conflicting decisions or to coordinate proceedings more effectively.
 
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One suspension condition which may be relevant:

Parallel Proceedings: If related proceedings are taking place in other forums, such as domestic courts or other international arbitration tribunals, parties may seek suspension to avoid conflicting decisions or to coordinate proceedings more effectively.
Good found, where do you get that information or what article of the icsid rules is it?
I can’t find that information.
 
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fuck me a gang bang...
If you pay for it I give you what you need!

After reloading the icsid page the suspension disappeared, now the latest development is from 16 th January again with the provisional measures. Error on the icsid page? Mistake from the secretary?

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hedrox

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This what a good knowledgeable poster on the X thinks.....
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CHB

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Technical delay aka thanks for the brown paper bags zijin
 
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timb89

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Delay possibilities:

1. Clerical error on behalf of ICSID. This would be my leading contender as you'd have presumed AVZ ready to announce if they were negotiating with DRC.

2. Negotiations with DRC commenced where they tried to play funny buggers, to which AVZ went right back to ISCID. Good.

3. AVZ or more likely DRC asked for extra time to submit evidence/reply, as they should have submitted their reply to the interm verdict from approx fortnight ago.

My guess is that 1 is the most likely option and this is a non story that an excitable and frustrated shareholder base has jumped on for a slither of news.

My opinion on the AVZ situation continues to be, if there was a way that DRC could have removed us and commenced mining on RD and/or CDL, that action would have happened by now. RD especially is ready for shovels in the ground. There is obviously a consequence/missed opportunity to great for above to occur.
 
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Johnno is a legend !



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