AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

Pretty sure Simba could end this shit show with an executive order any time he wanted

But I hope you're right and we get a new MoM that comes in kicking Zijin ass and taking Cominiere names to give AVZ complete control of the most important resource for their battery hub plans despite no judgement being made by the ICSID on the merits of the case until late next year at the earliest.

Let's see what happens. I'll buy you a bottle of champagne if we have an ML before 2026 without giving up at least the north.

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I Believe FT is atm a bit like Scomo, the minister of everything.

However, FT is atm in Doha planting trees and drumming up business.
The DRC sees in the Persian Gulf states a large pot of gold ready for the milking, however them Arabs are not that silly.

And China??

African bosses want to see EU strengthen its presence, survey finds​

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Economic leaders in Africa want to see the European Union (EU) strengthen its presence on the continent, far more than China and Russia, according to a survey by the French think tank Choiseul. Of 314 business leaders, heads of foreign subsidiaries or senior executives interviewed, representing 34 nationalities, more than half (53%) cite the EU as the first partner they would like to have by 2050, according to this survey published Tuesday. This is more than three times more than China, which has become a major investor on the continent in recent years (16% of respondents), the United States (11%) and Russia, which only 3 % would like to see foreign partners at the forefront. “African leaders perceive the European desire to be more interested in Africa,” comments the president of the Choiseul Institute, Pascal Lorot.

The EU wants to boost its investments in sectors of the future such as digital technology and energy through the “Global gateway” initiative, particularly in Africa, a European response to the Chinese “New Silk Roads” program. More than half of the leaders questioned in this survey consider the European initiative “promising”. “The Covid has also been there, the war in Ukraine too, and we have seen the weight of dependencies. Today these leaders say that geographical proximity will allow a shortening of flows,” continues Pascal Lorot.

China withdraws from Africa

A competitor to Europe, China is experiencing “a setback” in Africa, the leader also observes. Beijing has notably reduced its loans on the continent in the face of the difficulties of certain countries in repaying them, or even payment defaults like in Zambia. The Chinese presence on the continent is still considered “necessary” by 42% of economic leaders questioned in this survey. Within the EU, Africans especially want to see Germany play a prominent role (69%), ahead of France (61%) and Spain (16%). European investors remain by far the largest holders of foreign direct investment (FDI) stocks in Africa, according to statistics from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) for 2022. The United Kingdom (released of the EU in 2021) was in the lead with 60 billion dollars, ahead of France and the Netherlands with 54 billion dollars each.

By Le Figaro with AFP


Fuck China.

 

[Winenut]

It's been 50 days since the ICSID interim orders decision and CAMI still shows Cominiere holding 13359. Without us making significant compromises this won't be resolved with an ML any time soon.

Most likely we will need to go the distance at the ICSID and hope China pays the damages or we can seize enough assets to get our money. At this point anything sooner than a few more years of waiting where we don't get completely rat fucked will be a miracle imo

Well that's depressing.....

I'd better go and have a drink!

 

[Hemicuda]

They were avoided because of the MMGA hustle.

aha

 

[wombat74]

Well that's depressing.....

I'd better go and have a drink!

Don't worry Nigel is doing some serious compromising .

 

[cruiser51]

Well that's depressing.....

I'd better go and have a drink!

Any excuse is an excellent excuse.

 

[Pokok]

They were avoided because of the MMGA hustle.

And if we get to this years AGM without a result question time could be the same if MMGA are still around ,, ohhhh fuck now I need a drink

 

[Remark]

Well that's depressing.....

I'd better go and have a drink!

Way ahead of you!

 

[Deleted member 2378]

It's been 50 days since the ICSID interim orders decision and CAMI still shows Cominiere holding 13359. Without us making significant compromises this won't be resolved with an ML any time soon.

Most likely we will need to go the distance at the ICSID and hope China pays the damages or we can seize enough assets to get our money. At this point anything sooner than a few more years of waiting where we don't get completely rat fucked will be a miracle imo

I fully agree. But the problem is the salaries and legal fees for more years. They don’t respected the ICSID orders, in my opinion Locke will not invest in that shithole. Then we only can relist and crash under a cent or we are not able to continue with the icsid over the full distance. Only Locke, a relist or dust and the rest of the money goes to the bod and lawyers, with the information they did what they can…goodbye. And of course the option a ML. But I guess I will win the lottery before this happens. One way or a other in the next few weeks we know more about the path we are going.

 

[CHB]

I fully agree. But the problem is the salaries and legal fees for more years. They don’t respected the ICSID orders, in my opinion Locke will not invest in that shithole. Then we only can relist and crash under a cent or we are not able to continue with the icsid over the full distance. Only Locke, a relist or dust and the rest of the money goes to the bod and lawyers, with the information they did what they can…goodbye. And of course the option a ML. But I guess I will win the lottery before this happens. One way or a other in the next few weeks we know more about the path we are going.

Good news, we will know within 3 weeks.


....unless there is an extension..

 

[Mute22]

Let's

Good news, we will know within 3 weeks.


....unless there is an extension..

Let's be real, we probably won't.

The optimist inside me says delays in ICSID is because the DRC has begun negotiating in good faith, hence why Comminerie is freaking out on X.

But if I am being honest with myself, my gut says we are just beginning phase 2 of this battle. If you think our enemies don't have plans for each outcome and contingency to protect their interests with much deeper pockets than AVZ you're dreaming.

 

[Randenj]

Ok I'm now venting! Held my peace for a while reading others who giving voice to my own frustrations. But travelling home today I saw that that the old family home (built 1890s) is up for auction. If only we were trading with a ML...............

 

[Remark]

I fully agree. But the problem is the salaries and legal fees for more years. They don’t respected the ICSID orders, in my opinion Locke will not invest in that shithole. Then we only can relist and crash under a cent or we are not able to continue with the icsid over the full distance. Only Locke, a relist or dust and the rest of the money goes to the bod and lawyers, with the information they did what they can…goodbye. And of course the option a ML. But I guess I will win the lottery before this happens. One way or a other in the next few weeks we know more about the path we are going.

Well aren't you another ray of fucking sunshine!

 

[CHB]

Let's

Let's be real, we probably won't.

The optimist inside me says delays in ICSID is because the DRC has begun negotiating in good faith, hence why Comminerie is freaking out on X.

But if I am being honest with myself, my gut says we are just beginning phase 2 of this battle. If you think our enemies don't have plans for each outcome and contingency to protect their interests with much deeper pockets than AVZ you're dreaming.

Nah I'm referring to Locke and funding.

And yes I agree with your gut on the other stuff.

 

[Mute22]

Search volume for AVZ in Europe has dropped off (Austria was #1 for search back in 2022) however interest is stronger than ever in the DRC.

I remember checking this back in 2021 and it was basically only Australia, Austria and Germany with DRC having very little search results.

I suppose we have the few good journalists in the DRC for keeping interest with the locals. Although 95% of the searches are probably Comminerie seething.

 

[RHyNO]

The ASX Announcements do not operate like a chat forum. We all know what sovereign risk is (and if you dont then thats on you). We also know that things are very fluid at the moment and the Board cannot make announcements unless they are cemented in fact and signed sealed and delivered. Nigel has as I understand it 50,000,000 + shares at risk and so he definitely has skin in the game and would want to maximize value.

We need to wait for the announcements as there is no point in speculating.

The DRC have been known to say one thing and do something else - its a challenge and I wouldnt want to be dealing with the associated stress and dangers that are the DRC.

Oh and by the way, I certainly would have liked to retire now but clearly cant because of our current predicament. The only option we have is to fully support the Board and you all can have your say at the next AGM.

Feel free to nominate yourself for a Board position if you think you have the solutions and answers. You couldnt pay me enough to be dealing with the stress and challenges of the DRC.

Anyway, I am simply waiting for the announcements and I fully support the Board under these exceptionally difficult circumstances.


Regards,

SilentOne - DYOR

His fantasy share value is certainly something but skin it is not! Skin implies if it goes bad he loses something. To lose skin. His pay packet is 3 times what it should be. He paid himself performance bonuses while we were in suspension for 17 months. What skin!!! He’s taken home 3million dollars to get us all into this mess. The guy has no idea how to use the media, no idea about international law and it’s implications. You could absolutely pay me $400k a year to take shit from a bunch of corrupt ministers and mislead shareholders about the strength of their investment ownership. Where do I sign!!! I don’t want to be on the board. I just want to sell my shares when the sovereign risk is to great for my appetite. Like now. Or within days of the revelation of this outcome.

 

[SilentOne]

His fantasy share value is certainly something but skin it is not! Skin implies if it goes bad he loses something. To lose skin. His pay packet is 3 times what it should be. He paid himself performance bonuses while we were in suspension for 17 months. What skin!!! He’s taken home 3million dollars to get us all into this mess. The guy has no idea how to use the media, no idea about international law and it’s implications. You could absolutely pay me $400k a year to take shit from a bunch of corrupt ministers and mislead shareholders about the strength of their investment ownership. Where do I sign!!! I don’t want to be on the board. I just want to sell my shares when the sovereign risk is to great for my appetite. Like now. Or within days of the revelation of this outcome.

Hi RHyN)1980,

Well I look forward to seeing you running for a Board position at the next AGM and providing us a presentation on your vision.

I stand by Nigel and the hard work that he and his team have put in.

I have worked in 3rd world countries and understand how that part of the world operates. Nigel and his team would be working long and hard and also navigating the dangers of the region. I certainly wouldn't want the job and you couldn't pay me enough to do it.

But hey look forward to seeing you nominate, and we can see after the vote who agrees with you.

Regards,

SilentOne

 

[wombat74]

Where's this big announcement that was supposed to drop on Tuesday ?

 

[GuruDukun]

Anyone have access to Africa Business?

 

[GuruDukun]

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[Hodlandwin69]

Where's this big announcement that was supposed to drop on Tuesday ?

Delayed bro