AVZ Discussion 2022

Doc

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How did you come to the conclusion that AVZ prefers Felix ?

I certainly back the BOD going forward, but Felix ?


Lots of opposition to Felix getting re elected across the board let me tell you.
The recent SMH article had a reference to Felix being AVZ’ preferred candidate, perhaps from there
 
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Lol, Wombat, there is no farken way AVZ will be giving away CDL......its worth billions, 3 - 4 times bigger than RD, my personal view is AVZ will have to JV it, which i have said all along is the best compromise to end this ongoing stale mate.

Regardless of the shit show that AVZ is currently in, DRC Govt was never going to allow CDL to remain idle whilst AVZ concentrated on construction / production of RD , so it surprises me a little that AVZ BOD didnt conduct discussions with DRC govt ( aka JV ) back in May 2022 once they realised shenanigans were evident with the northern section of CDL post ML decree and subsequent suspended suspension.

If a JV arrangement was made in 2022, then possibly " harmonious relations within Dathcom " may have been retained thus arbitration could of been avoided and considerable progress of construction regards to RD would have been realised by now.

So moving forward and regards to this MOU, i would be interested in everyones thoughts about what it could possibly contain so that Manono can move forward in a positive way for all "parties".

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No doubt the carrot DRC govt will be dangling to AVZ is awarding the ML in lieu of dropping the arbitration cases, but that wont be suffice imo, their will have to be a solution to the Dathomir 15% , plus the Zijin 15% ROFR, plus a amicable arrangement regards to development of CDL.........aka JV.

Thoughts ?

Oh.........the count down is now on regards to the DRC elections....

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Who will win and why ?

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I have narrowed it down to 4 candidates that will most likely have the best chances.

Personally 3 & 21 would be disastrous for DRC going forward, my hope is that 15 or 21 gets in , with preference for 15.

But curious to know what others think....;)


Food for thought.
I don't think it to be smart to too loudly express who or what is the preferred next President.

It is a choice for the locals to be made.
The BoD will have to work with whoever is the next President.

What would one say if a new President asks: "I heard you weren't in favour of me, how about that fukkin Mining License now?"

I think it is smarter to keep on working with the people in charge and keep your personal preferences to discuss on the beach while having a couple of coldies.
 
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I don't think it to be smart to too loudly express who or what is the preferred next President.

It is a choice for the locals to be made.
The BoD will have to work with whoever is the next President.

What would one say if a new President asks: "I heard you weren't in favour of me, how about that fukkin Mining License now?"

I think it is smarter to keep on working with the people in charge and keep your personal preferences to discuss on the beach while having a couple of coldies.
If you are referring to the BOD, completely agree.

Keep your mouth shut and be diplomatic.........regardless .
 
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If you are referring to the BOD, completely agree.

Keep your mouth shut and be diplomatic.........regardless .
In referring to the BoD, I don't mean your BOD, really not interested in your BOD.

Yes be an adult and diplomatic, keep your personal preferences away from any on line medium, which can be read worldwide and used against us.

How would you feel if a person from any country tells you how they wish Australians should vote in any election?

Will you kindly advice them to fuk off??

Not that difficult.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
All I am saying is show people the respect you expect.
 
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How would you feel if a person from any country tells you how they wish Australians should vote in any election?

Will you kindly advice them to fuk off??
I wouldn't give a fuck. Always good to get outside perspectives. Haven't voted in over a decade anyway lol
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BEISHA

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In referring to the BoD, I don't mean your BOD, really not interested in your BOD.

Yes be an adult and diplomatic, keep your personal preferences away from any on line medium, which can be read worldwide and used against us.

How would you feel if a person from any country tells you how they wish Australians should vote in any election?

Will you kindly advice them to fuk off??

Not that difficult.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
All I am saying is show people the respect you expect.
In referring to the BoD, I don't mean your BOD, really not interested in your BOD.

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Yes be an adult and diplomatic, keep your personal preferences away from any on line medium, which can be read worldwide and used against us.

Are you suggesting little ole me stating my preference for DRC presidency is going to be read world wide and used against our AVZ BOD ?...........( not to be confused with my BOD :LOL::LOL: )

Hilarious......just to give you the tip , I will post what ever i damn well feel like pal......:cautious:

Couldnt give a fuck if a person outside of Australia instructed us how to vote, cause i already know who to vote for and it aint Albanese....;)

Lastly, my feelings never get hurt, i have rhino skin and dont mind a bit of biff.........but what is clear , your skin is made of marsh mellow and needs to harden the fuck up......😭


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cruiser51

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In referring to the BoD, I don't mean your BOD, really not interested in your BOD.

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Yes be an adult and diplomatic, keep your personal preferences away from any on line medium, which can be read worldwide and used against us.

Are you suggesting little ole me stating my preference for DRC presidency is going to be read world wide and used against our AVZ BOD ?...........( not to be confused with my BOD :LOL::LOL: )

Hilarious......just to give you the tip , I will post what ever i damn well feel like pal......:cautious:

Couldnt give a fuck if a person outside of Australia instructed us how to vote, cause i already know who to vote for and it aint Albanese....;)

Lastly, my feelings never get hurt, i have rhino skin and dont mind a bit of biff.........but what is clear , your skin is made of marsh mellow and needs to harden the fuck up......😭


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Mate you can write anything you like. I am not my brother's keeper.
I never said you could not write A or B.
It appears the rhino skin in front of your eyes is clouding your perception about what is written. 🤣

However taking in account that nobody knows who is going to win the upcoming DRC Presidential election, it seems to me not very smart to prematurely shoot ourself in both feet.
The effect of that could prove to be extremely counter productive and expensive.

Btw I couldn't give a flying fuck who you vote for. 😜

 
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I dont know if the election will take place on 20 December. Seems like its a cluster f...
 

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I dont know if the election will take place on 20 December. Seems like its a cluster f...

DR Congo election 2023: What you need to know​

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Supporters of Congolese doctor and presidential candidate Denis Mukwege attend a campaign rally in Bukavu, capital of South Kivu province, eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, on November 25, 2023.
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Denis Mukwege is one of the 22 presidential candidates
By Ousmane Badiane
BBC Afrique

Nearly 40 million Congolese voters go to the polls for the next presidential election on 20 December with President Félix Tshisekedi seeking a second, and final, five-year term in office.
The Democratic Republic of Congo is the largest country in sub-Saharan Africa. Spanning an area the size of Western Europe with an estimated population of over 100 million people, the country is rich in natural resources.
Despite some calls for the election to be postponed, the head of the electoral commission is confident that everything will be ready in time.

Why does this election matter?​

It holds 70% of the world's reserves of coltan, a highly-prized mineral used to make mobile phones, plus 30% of the world's diamonds and large quantities of cobalt, copper and bauxite.

Although its vast mineral wealth and huge population represent huge economic assets, life in DR Congo is not improving for most people for a number of reasons, such as conflict, corruption and many decades of poor governance dating back to the colonial era.
Eastern DR Congo, where most of the mineral wealth lies, has been ravaged by conflict for three decades.

It is impossible to know how many lives have been lost - a 2008 study by the International Rescue Committee estimated that about 5.4 million people may have died, mostly from hunger and disease, making it the deadliest since World War Two. However, other studies have cast doubt on the accuracy of this figure.
After years of political instability and coups d'état, DR Congo is organising elections for the first time since the peaceful transfer of power between former President Joseph Kabila and Mr Tshisekedi in 2019.

Who are the candidates?​

Following the withdrawal of four candidates, including former Prime Minister Augustin Matata Ponyo, there are now 22 presidential candidates, including Mr Tshisekedi.
His main challengers are:
  • Martin Fayulu, the man believed by many observers to have been the rightful winner of the 2018 presidential election, even though he came second according to official results.
  • Moïse Katumbi, a wealthy businessman and former governor of Katanga province, as well as the owner of the TP Mazembe football team
  • Dr Denis Mukwege, the winner of the 2018 Nobel Peace Prize for his work with rape survivors.
The four candidates who have withdrawn have all thrown their support behind Mr Katumbi and his "Together for the Republic" party.
Still in the running are another former Prime Minister, Adolphe Muzito, MP Delly Sesanga, activist Floribert Anzuluni and Constant Mutamba.

Incumbent President of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and presidential candidate Felix Tshisekedi (C) of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS) political party addresses his supporters at the Stade des Martyrs during his first campaign rally as the electoral campaign officially kicks off ahead of the 2023 general elections in Kinshasa on November 19, 2023.
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President Félix Tshisekedi launched his campaign in Kinshasa's main football stadium
There are only two women in the race: Marie-Josée Ifoku Mputa, a presidential candidate in December 2018, and Joëlle Bile. The latter describes herself as the candidate representing hope for women and young people.
Running for election is not cheap.
All candidates had to pay 160 million Congolese francs to participate ($60,000; £47,000) in non-refundable application fees.
However, this is less than the previous election, when the fee was $100,000.

The voting system​

Whichever candidate gains the most votes in the first round becomes the next president, whether or not they have more than 50%. So there is no second round run-off.
Congolese presidential candidate Martin Fayulu gives a speech during a campaign rally in Goma, eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, on November 30, 2023.
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Martin Fayulu's supporters believe he was robbed of victory in 2018
The winner is then in post for a five-year term, renewable once only.

Voting takes place 90 days before the expiry of the current president's term.
This year, the presidential election will be combined with the election of members of both national and provincial parliaments and local councillors.

What is at stake?​

This year's elections take place against a backdrop of conflict in the east, an economic and social crisis and a lack of trust between the government and opposition.
Opposition parties suspect the government of orchestrating electoral fraud, accusing it of restricting freedoms and democratic space. The government rejects these accusations.
An aerial view of Bukavu
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Eastern DR Congo is home to beautiful mountains and lakes, as well as huge mineral wealth. This is the view from the town of Bukavu
The many assurances given by the Independent National Electoral Commission (Ceni) have failed to alleviate the opposition's concerns.
The bishops of DR Congo's influential Catholic Church, and the leaders of the Church of Christ in Congo (ECC) recently said they shared the opposition's worries.
There is also a cost-of-living crisis. The effects of the Covid-19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine are still hitting ordinary Congolese people in the pocket.
Inflation has reduced the purchasing power of ordinary citizens, who now have to pay more for their basic necessities, like food.
The value of the Congolese franc has fallen by 15-20% against the US dollar since the start of the year, according to official figures.
Two-thirds of DR Congo's population now live below the poverty line, earning $2.15 a day or less.
President Tshisekedi has launched a number of initiatives to try to tackle these issues including free primary school education and free healthcare for women giving birth at public medical facilities.
However, opinion remains divided over how effective these measures have been across the country.

Conflict in the east​

The government has imposed a state of siege across the provinces of North Kivu and Ituri for almost a year but conflict continues to rage.
Rebel groups such as the M23, the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) and Codeco continue to carry out attacks against both ordinary people and military targets.
Kenyan soldiers from the East African Community regional force (EAC-RF) prepare to leave the Democratic Republic of Congo, at Goma airport, on December 3, 2023.
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Kenyan soldiers were sent to DR Congo last year to help tackle rebel groups but the government has ordered them to leave
As a result of the violence, DR Congo has among the highest number of internally displaced people in the world. Almost 6.9 million people are thought to have been forced to flee their homes since March 2022. The UN estimates that 28% of the population has been forcibly displaced in North Kivu and 39% in Ituri respectively.
Other hotspots have emerged as a result of inter-community conflicts, notably in the province of Tshopo, in the north-east, and in Maï-Ndombe, in the south-west of the country.
Insecurity is likely to disrupt voting in some parts of the country. In November, the electoral commission said it had lost around 30 agents to drowning and attacks by armed groups during the registration of voters.
The Congolese government recently demanded the departure of troops from East African countries by the end of the year, accusing them of failing to stop attacks from armed groups less than a year after their deployment.

Watching the vote​

The electoral commission is supposed to be an autonomous, permanent and neutral body governed by public law, and endowed with legal power.
Composed of 15 members, its mission is to "guarantee free and democratic elections".
A poster of the Friends of Moise Katumbi, one of the main opponents of President Felix Tshisekedi, is held during Katumbi's election rally in a stadium in Goma, one of the largest cities in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo, on November 23, 2023.
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Moise Katumbi is known as the owner of the massive TP Mazembe football team
However, it has come under fire from critics who accuse its president, Denis Kadima, of being too close to the government. They fear the fact he comes from the same ethnic group as the president could affect the integrity of the result.
For his part, Mr Kadima has repeatedly stated that his institution is committed to transparent elections that respect democratic principles.
The European Union observer mission has pulled out of the election, after failing to reach an agreement with the Congolese government over the importation of communication devices they needed to use. They will be deploying eight experts but only in the capital, Kinshasa.
In the past, the African Union, religious denominations and civil society organisations have deployed observers to closely monitor voting.

When will we get the results?​

According to the electoral calendar, the provisional results are expected on 31 December.
If the results are ready before that, they could be released sooner. But in previous elections, Ceni has not announced any partial results - it has waited until all the votes have been counted across this vast country before declaring the winner.
The next president will be sworn into office on 20 January.
 
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An aerial view of Bukavu
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Eastern DR Congo is home to beautiful mountains and lakes, as well as huge mineral wealth. This is the view from the town of Bukavu

The fairways on the Bukavu Country Club course look pretty tight, with out of bounds coming into play on almost every hole
 
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AVZ v DRC - ICSID

Claim: DRC breached mining code and unlawful termination of 13359

Oct 2023 - AVZ files emergency request to maintain status quo
Nov 2023 - ICSID takes note of ICC and issues provisional measures to be heard in Dec 2023
Dec 2023 - first virtual hearing 11th Dec
Verdict will come before Christmas to order complete stop of development at Manono by companies other than Dathcom.
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How did you come to the conclusion that AVZ prefers Felix ?

I certainly back the BOD going forward, but Felix ?


Lots of opposition to Felix getting re elected across the board let me tell you.

Going off that Beisha, whether it's true or not 🤷
 
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Cumquat Cap

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Zijin apparently has 20-30 jobs up for Chinese nationals to work in Manono - wonder what their plan is?
 
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“This is a public forum whereby we not only discuss the facts as we see it, but offer up opinions on the unknown”

BEISH I think “as we see it” means our own opinion, rather than fact, but I get the point you are trying to make

As for offer opinions, you mean like on Gogglebox and morning television and radio breakfast shows? That might be why more actual information is being shared privately here, rather than on the main thread.

As far as Felix, as @Doc already mentioned, Nigel stated he is looking to work with Felix following the election.

If I had an opinion, it would be Felix only has one term left if he does win, so I imagine he would be looking to get Manono going with Dathcom and leave a legacy of anti corruption (and a stronger IGF) and building the biggest hard rock lithium mine in the world.

That last paragraph is just an opinion though, and you know I don’t really care about opinions, I’m more interested in facts. I only posted it for the Gogglebox factor
Nothing wrong with having a opinion Dave, as i said before, facts are great, but now the AGM is over and done with ......without any question time, (just snippets of info that i could gleen ), we are back to the echo chamber, whereby we have to rely on our own DD, right or wrong.....plenty of misinformation out there, hard to know what is fact or fiction, but appreciate the fact files @MoneyBags1348 provides none the less...(y)

In my opinion, DRC elections are a worthy discussion topic, the candidate who wins has the opportunity to lift the DRC out of the mire and achieve great things including Manono, or has the ability to grind DRC further into the abyss.

I hope your opinion about FT is correct, but going by his past inaction , his legacy thus far is very disappointing, hence why
i look past him and look at other candidates that from the surface appear like they are decent humans and have the DRC welfare at heart.........not seeking personal gain from brown paper bags.

I dont think it hurts discussing political candidates that can potentially............ MDRCMGA

( MAKE DRC MANONO GREAT AGAIN )...;)
 
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Doc

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Zijin apparently has 20-30 jobs up for Chinese nationals to work in Manono - wonder what their plan is?
And herein lies the difference. Nigel made sure that the camp was built with local material by locals wherever possible.
Look into the future DRC, this is what you are signing up for
 
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Zijin run a slave camp, 30 Chinese overlords to whip the locals... Look at serbia bor, what a fucking travesty.

Arguements by DLA looking as strong as lebron, while DRC submissions are basically me a 180cm gronk playing defense.

Lebron James Dunk GIF by Norwalk Brew House
 
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Bag handlers 😂


This might be seen as not related, but could be seen as Chinese attitude to International law and setting the tone at the ICSID hearing.
This issue has been ruled on and against China by The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).

US slams China’s ‘reckless’ moves in South China Sea​

Andreo Calonzo
Dec 11, 2023 – 1.17pm

Manila | The United States has called out China for interfering in the Philippines’ maritime operations and undermining regional stability, urging Beijing to stop “its dangerous and destabilising conduct” in the South China Sea.
Chinese and Philippine vessels faced off in multiple clashes in the South China Sea over the weekend as tensions continued to escalate between the two countries over maritime territory, prompting the US to reiterate its commitment to defend Manila.
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A Chinese Coast Guard ship uses a water cannon on a Philippine boat as it approaches Scarborough Shoal in the disputed South China Sea. AP
The Philippines said its vessels were damaged after being “directly targeted” on Sunday by a Chinese coast guard ship with a water cannon during a supply mission to Second Thomas Shoal. A Filipino boat was also rammed by a Chinese vessel, the task force said in a statement.
China’s coast guard said the Philippine boat ignored warnings and “deliberately collided” with its vessel, which was sailing normally for law enforcement purposes. The responsibility lies entirely with the Philippines, the coast guard said in a statement.
The actions taken by China’s ships around Second Thomas Shoal and Scarborough Reef “reflect not only reckless disregard for the safety and livelihoods of Filipinos, but also for international law,” the US State Department said in a statement.

“Obstructing supply lines to this longstanding outpost and interfering with lawful Philippines maritime operations undermines regional stability,” it said.
“The United States stands with our Philippine allies in the face of these dangerous and unlawful actions,” it added, as it reaffirmed the two nations’ 1951 Mutual Defence Treaty.
China has laid sweeping claims over the South China Sea, an assertion that’s been met by growing pushback in the Philippines under President Ferdinand Marcos Junior, whose administration has publicised Beijing’s tactics in the disputed waters.
Mr Marcos has slammed China’s “dangerous actions” against Philippine ships, saying they’re an “outright and blatant violation of international law”.
“No one but the Philippines has a legitimate right or legal basis to operate anywhere in the West Philippine Sea,” Mr Marcos said in a post on X late on Sunday, using Manila’s term for the South China Sea.
Philippine armed forces chief Romeo Brawner Junior. who was aboard the resupply boat that was rammed by a Chinese coast guard vessel, said he witnessed the incident himself. “I was furious with what China did and I felt sorry for our troops. They go through this at every resupply mission,” he told reporters.

A group of 200 civilians from the Philippines had set sail to the disputed waters on Sunday and were forced to cut short their trip after they said they were shadowed by four Chinese vessels including two navy ships. The convoy, escorted by the Philippine Coast Guard, had planned to go near Second Thomas Shoal and parts of the Spratly Islands to deliver supplies to fishing communities.
The group of youth leaders, fisherfolk and media personnel decided on “erring on the side of caution” and returning to Palawan province after the “constant shadowing,” its organiser said.
Manila on Saturday reported that the Chinese Coast Guard fired water cannons at Filipino civilian ships near Scarborough Shoal, drawing US condemnation.
The US has pledged to continue bolstering ties with Indo-Pacific allies to counter Beijing’s expansive claims in the crucial waterway. The Philippines has strengthened its longstanding defence alliance with Washington, expanding access for American soldiers and holding joint patrols in contested waters.
 
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Zijin run a slave camp, 30 Chinese overlords to whip the locals... Look at serbia bor, what a fucking travesty.

Arguements by DLA looking as strong as lebron, while DRC submissions are basically me a 180cm gronk playing defense.

Lebron James Dunk GIF by Norwalk Brew House
Will the fine for breaking the ruling be set today?
 
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Will the fine for breaking the ruling be set today?
it is requested by DLA today along with other measures - verdict within 15 days on whether they are adopted.
 
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