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Marius wouldn't have been paid the 5m anyway as he was not successful lmao

Seems like his grievance in contract terms discussed with Nigel compared to what was delivered by AVZ was a distraction from him performing his duties. One meeting in the first few weeks and then nothing for the next 11 months is a poor return on investment.

By the end of his contract on May 31st 2023 we were completely frozen out of discussions. Only got back in because of the ICSID claim in June according to official announcements. All of our recent progress with the MoU has been due to advice from DLA Piper not anything done by Marius.

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A million USD for facilitating one meeting is a pretty good gig! Sign me up

And of course he isn't informed of confidential due diligence results requested by the AVZ board. As a consultant he should know that.
 
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A million USD for facilitating one meeting is a pretty good gig! Sign me up

And of course he isn't informed of confidential due diligence results requested by the AVZ board. As a consultant he should know that.
I am also perplexed by Marius' comments, he should know better that a due diligence process will be followed by DLA piper and if there is something they find that they don't like and we choose to not hire him for the job.... Well that's business! We aren't obliged to hire someone.

We did hire him for the $1M USD, for the sole reason to improve government relations. As @Carlos Danger mentioned, the first meeting may have taken place but we only ever got back at the table from initiating the ICSID case.

Then once Marius' 12 month contract was up and we all asked him questions on X, his response was "I am no longer hired by AVZ, please contact the company directly".

I can't seem to understand why he is upset with Nigel or the AVZ board, as he got paid more in 12 months than our entire board does just about. 🤯
 
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Not sure if Marius was good for us or not, was happy he was on our team for a while but I do remember he was going to take all the corrupt c*nt to court for slander but not much has been reported from what I’ve seen.
 
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Not sure if Marius was good for us or not, was happy he was on our team for a while but I do remember he was going to take all the corrupt c*nt to court for slander but not much has been reported from what I’ve seen.
I wonder how much Marius had to share of that US$1 million with Felix.
 
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I wonder how much Marius had to share of that US$1 million with Felix.
No wonder their country is fucked, it’s unbelievable how stupid people can be when social media can expose the corruption instantly but they just don’t seem to care, that dickhead from Cominiere even incriminates himself for all to see and no doubt will be used against the DRC in Arbitration.
 
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Could the DRC become the Saudi Arabia of the electric vehicle age?

Perhaps no country has more to gain from the ‘clean’ energy transition than the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), which sits atop some of the world’s biggest copper, cobalt, coltan and lithium reserves.

The planet’s cobalt reserves total 7.6mn tonnes of which the DRC has 3.5mn tonnes, followed by Australia with 1.4mn tonnes and Indonesia with 600,000 tonnes, according to the US Geological Survey (USGS). In 2022, the DRC produced an estimated 130,000 tonnes of the metal, or 70% of the world’s production (Indonesia, in second place, produced only 10,000 tonnes).

Cobalt is an essential component in lithium-ion rechargeable batteries used in electric vehicles (EVs). It is also present in many of the portable devices that are part of daily life – including smart phones, tablets and laptops. In most cases, it is a by-product of nickel and copper mining. Cathodes in lithium-ion batteries are made up of between roughly 10% and 30% cobalt, with each EV needing between 6 kg and 12 kg of the element.

Furthermore, the DRC is endowed with vast copper and coltan reserves and large – mostly untapped – lithium deposits. In 2021, the DRC produced around 1.88m tonnes of copper, becoming the leading copper-producing country in Africa (Zambia was the second biggest producer at 880,000 tonnes). The DRC has 60% of the world’s coltan reserves. Coltan is used primarily for the production of tantalum capacitors – used in mobile phones and almost every kind of electronic device.

Meanwhile, copper’s critical role in EV batteries and other green energy technologies has led some to call it ‘the new oil’, and the DRC is being dubbed ‘the Saudi Arabia of electric vehicle age’. The global thirst for copper is expected to jump by 20% by the year 2035, on the back of burgeoning demand from EVs, electricity transmission grids and renewable power generation.

The DRC boasts some of the highest quality copper reserves globally, with some of the mines estimated to contain grades above 3%, significantly higher than the global average of 0.6% to 0.8%. International mining companies attracted by high-grade and low-cost mines are increasingly interested in the DRC’s copper belt region in the southern part of the country. The country’s gold mining sector is also witnessing renewed interest from mining companies.

Furthermore, the DRC is home to what some experts believe is the world’s biggest lithium deposit, Manono-Kitolo, in the southern province of Tanganyika. The mine has reserves amounting to 120mn mt of lithium ore grading 0.6% lithium, resulting in 0.72mn mt of lithium. It has conditions for large-scale, open-cast mining but, currently, its development is stalled by a dispute between Zijin Mining, the Chinese mining company, and AVZ Minerals, the Australian mining company.

In fact, the DRC is considered the world's richest country in terms of its natural resources. Its untapped deposits of raw minerals are estimated to be valued at more than $24trn, according to Michigan State University. It is home to 1,100 different minerals and precious metals, including tin, tungsten and tantalum. It is also the world’s fourth-biggest producer of diamonds.

The country is Africa's fourth most populous country (95.2mn people) and had an estimated $59bn economy in 2022, but income per head is a paltry $622 a year, according to the International Monetary Fund. The DRC has a monocultural economy – more than 90% of its wealth comes from the extractive industries.

In March 2018, the DRC’s president signed a new mining code into law. It increased the royalties on copper from 2% to 3.5%, on gold from 2.5% to 3.5% and on cobalt from 2% to 10%. Furthermore, it introduced a new 50% tax-rate on so-called 'super profits', defined as income realised when commodity prices rise 25% above levels in the project's bankable feasibility study.

Gécamines, the state-owned mining company, has minority stakes in most of the DRC’s big cobalt and copper mines partnerships operated by foreign mining groups but it no longer operates mines.

Of the 19 cobalt operations in the DRC, 15 are now owned or co-owned by Chinese entities. The five largest Chinese mining corporations with interests in cobalt and copper in the country have access to credit lines from Chinese state banks totalling an astounding $124bn. More than 70% of the world’s cobalt processing takes place in China (in fact, 80% of the DRC’s cobalt output heads to China for processing).

By 2030, global cobalt demand is expected to double – driven by battery applications in EVs – and the DRC is forecast to contribute 44% of the supply growth, creating an immense opportunity for the country.

The biggest mining projects in the DRC include the Kamoa-Kakula copper project, Tenke Fungurume mine and Kamoto copper. The Kamoa-Kakula copper project is owned by a joint venture comprising Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global (0.8%) and the DRC Government (20%). With measured resources of 90mn tonnes at 3.13% copper and probable mineral reserves of 235mn tonnes, the project is considered to be among the world’s biggest, undeveloped high-grade copper discoveries.

The mine started producing concentrates in May 2021, with commercial production starting in July 2021. It is being advanced through a phased approach, with peak production estimated at 800,000 tonnes per year. This would make the project the second-biggest copper complex globally.

The Tenke Fungurume mine is a copper-cobalt project owned by Chinese private holding company CMOC (80%) and Gécamines (20%). CMOC acquired controlling interests of the mine in 2017 in a $3bn transaction, and in August 2021 it announced plans to double production with a $2.51bn investment. The investments will raise output from 183,000 tonnes of copper to 383,000 tonnes per year and from 15,400 tpy of cobalt to 32,400 tpy, bringing total mineral production to 415,400 tpy. It is the world’s second-largest cobalt mine.

The Kamoto Copper Company (KCC) is owned by a joint venture comprising Glencore (75%), Gécamines (20%) and Simco (5%), and is the largest active cobalt mine in the world. KCC owns two open-cast mines (KOV and Mashamba East) as well as one underground mine (Kamoto concentrator) and the Luili refinery in Kolwezi. KCC is targeting an annual nameplate capacity of 300,000 tpy of copper and 30,000 tpy of cobalt, bringing total mineral production to 330,000 tpy.

The DRC has some of the world’s biggest mineral deposits but, unfortunately, the country has significant security and political risks – made worse by a lack of robust infrastructure. Transparency International placed it in 166th position among 180 countries on its Corruption Perceptions Index 2022. More than 120 militias and armed groups operate in the country’s eastern region.

It is estimated that the country has up to 200,000 artisanal miners, who work with their bare hands and with shovels down cobalt mines of up to 30m in length. In the past, campaigners said that many children were involved in the process but the government has tried to clamp down on child labour.

There is extensive interaction between the large-scale mining (LSM) producers and artisanal and small-scale mining (ASM), both commercially and physically. A number of the LSM producers source and process material from artisanal miners. The ASM sector has historically performed the role of ‘swing producer’, with activity rapidly responding to market movements. Roughly 80% of ASM is informal, so it typically takes place without proper permits or any adherence to environmental and labour regulations.

Cobalt is likely to remain a vital component in the manufacture of rechargeable batteries for the foreseeable future, but its mining process throws up an ethical dilemma for EV manufacturers, including Tesla, Volkswagen and GM. Many EV makers are trying to reduce the proportion of cobalt used in the batteries because of its high costs and availability issues. However, at the moment, if they want EVs with a range of more than 300 km on one charge, they must use cobalt.

In September 2023, the Congolese government suspended more than 20 mining licences, on the basis that a number of the companies had not signed agreements related to social and environmental commitments to local communities. However, local observers believe that the hasty decision was motivated more by the government’s desire to acquire and re-sell assets in the run-up to the country’s national elections on December 20 this year. The move shows how fragile the business environment is in the DRC and could undermine investor confidence in the country.

On December 20, simultaneous elections will be held for the President, almost all of the members of the National Assembly, almost all of the elected members of the 26 provincial assemblies, and, for the first time under the new constitution, members of a limited number of commune (municipal) councils. Félix Tshisekedi, the current President, is the favourite to be elected for a further five-year term.

Banking experts say that Western majors – which previously would not have considered the country – were looking at the DRC because of the shortage of new mineral discoveries in relatively safe jurisdictions in North America and Australia. Mining companies tend to take a long-term view — what is perceived as risky today might not be so in ten years’ time.

For example, in December 2023, Ivanhoe Mines, the Canadian mining company, announced the discovery of high-grade copper reserves. Dubbed the Kitoko discovery, the copper deposits are situated within the joint venture licences recently acquired by the miner in the Western Foreland, spanning an expansive area of 247 sq km.

Haut-Katanga is the richest province in the DRC and home to many of the country’s mineral reserves. Lubumbashi – the DRC’s second-biggest city with 2.78mn people – is the province’s capital and biggest city. It is located 1,550 km from Kinshasa, the DRC’s capital city. It lies in the Copperbelt region, along the border with Zambia, and acts as a hub for many of the country's largest mining companies.

Currently, mining firms operating in the DRC prefer to transport metals by truck to often congested ports in Tanzania, Mozambique and South Africa but these journeys are expensive and take weeks to complete.

In September 2023, the European Union and the United States teamed up to develop a new railway line, connecting southern DRC and northwestern Zambia to regional and global trade markets via Angola’s port of Lobito. Feasibility studies are now underway but the initiative indicates how important the DRC is to the global supply chain of critical materials. Overall, the railway’s developers plan to invest $455mn in Angola and up to $100mn in the DRC.

Market conditions for cobalt have weakened substantially since the price peak in 2022. Cobalt prices have plummeted by $18,535 per tonne, or 35.68% since the beginning of 2023, according to trading on a contract for difference that tracks the benchmark market for the commodity. This dynamic will likely remain through 2024, as a plentiful and growing supply surplus maintains pressure on prices. In the longer term, demand for cobalt is likely to outpace supply, lifting prices and supporting a new wave of supply-side investment.

The energy transition represents an amazing opportunity for the DRC. One of the world’s poorest countries could become a lot wealthier if its critical minerals are mined responsibly. There is the chance to distribute that wealth throughout society. However, significant obstacles remain. The DRC is also one of the world’s most corrupt countries and that is not likely to change soon.
 
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cruiser51

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No wonder their country is fucked, it’s unbelievable how stupid people can be when social media can expose the corruption instantly but they just don’t seem to care, that dickhead from Cominiere even incriminates himself for all to see and no doubt will be used against the DRC in Arbitration.
Mate corruption is a thriving extremely lucrative industry.

At the end of the day the temptation of only a very, very tiny little bit of the estimated US$24 trillion of inground minerals worth is still substantially
more than my super.
It requires an extremely strong person not to touch that honeypot.

Btw 24 trillion is 24,000,000,000,000, you need a fucking big abacus for that. And don't forget the tin.
I think you get the gist.

No wonder there are 24 contenders in the race to become the new President....

And none of those 24 contenders is corrupt. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

And CKK??
He does exactly what Felix wants him to do, maximise DRC's slice of the Manono deposit....
Just think about that one.

Thinking that the DRC would be happy with 10% ownership of the Manono deposit is dreaming.
 
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@9cardomaha, with regards to the ICDIS hearing scheduled for the 11th of December, what is the outcome we are hoping for?
Confirmation of PR13559 owned by Dathcom and all other activities to be stopped?
 
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More damning coverage of Zijin's total lack of regard for people and the environment.

 
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I am also perplexed by Marius' comments, he should know better that a due diligence process will be followed by DLA piper and if there is something they find that they don't like and we choose to not hire him for the job.... Well that's business! We aren't obliged to hire someone.

We did hire him for the $1M USD, for the sole reason to improve government relations. As @Carlos Danger mentioned, the first meeting may have taken place but we only ever got back at the table from initiating the ICSID case.

Then once Marius' 12 month contract was up and we all asked him questions on X, his response was "I am no longer hired by AVZ, please contact the company directly".

I can't seem to understand why he is upset with Nigel or the AVZ board, as he got paid more in 12 months than our entire board does just about. 🤯
Marius is a contactor and will sell his services to whomever he chooses.
 
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BEISHA

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I ruffled a few feathers when I posted this .

" My argument months ago(along with a few others ) was give them CDL "IF" it means we can keep RD . Looks to me like that might now be the compromise we have to make ." Wombat74 4/12
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“If Tshisekedi feels like he needs to go ahead with some sort of a deal on the north with Zijin, then we’ll sit down and talk about it,” Nigel 8/12
Lol, Wombat, there is no farken way AVZ will be giving away CDL......its worth billions, 3 - 4 times bigger than RD, my personal view is AVZ will have to JV it, which i have said all along is the best compromise to end this ongoing stale mate.

Regardless of the shit show that AVZ is currently in, DRC Govt was never going to allow CDL to remain idle whilst AVZ concentrated on construction / production of RD , so it surprises me a little that AVZ BOD didnt conduct discussions with DRC govt ( aka JV ) back in May 2022 once they realised shenanigans were evident with the northern section of CDL post ML decree and subsequent suspended suspension.

If a JV arrangement was made in 2022, then possibly " harmonious relations within Dathcom " may have been retained thus arbitration could of been avoided and considerable progress of construction regards to RD would have been realised by now.

So moving forward and regards to this MOU, i would be interested in everyones thoughts about what it could possibly contain so that Manono can move forward in a positive way for all "parties".

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No doubt the carrot DRC govt will be dangling to AVZ is awarding the ML in lieu of dropping the arbitration cases, but that wont be suffice imo, their will have to be a solution to the Dathomir 15% , plus the Zijin 15% ROFR, plus a amicable arrangement regards to development of CDL.........aka JV.

Thoughts ?

Oh.........the count down is now on regards to the DRC elections....

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Who will win and why ?

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I have narrowed it down to 4 candidates that will most likely have the best chances.

Personally 3 & 21 would be disastrous for DRC going forward, my hope is that 15 or 21 gets in , with preference for 15.

But curious to know what others think....;)


Food for thought.
 
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More damning coverage of Zijin's total lack of regard for people and the environment.

A couple of light bulb moments in that article which merely confirm what we all know.....;)

But beyond its operations, Zijin’s close relationship with the Chinese Communist Party casts an additional shadow over its actions in nations with loose regulations.

Nations with loose regulations.........hmmm, does DRC fit into that category ?

China is pressuring the Colombian government to provide additional protection to Zijin in the midst of this conflict, even suggesting the possibility of withdrawing the company and other investments from the country if its demands are not met

Now i wonder if ole mate Xi made the same threat to FT......:unsure:

Maybe that is the reason why we are observing...

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regards to IGF report , Cominiere / Zijin / Dathomir corrupt activities regards to Manono ...;)

What influence will Zijin / Xi peddle regards to the upcoming DRC elections ?

What a match made in hell.........corrupt Zijin / corrupt cominiere / corrupt DRc govt / corrupt Xi

Thats what AVZ BOD are up against ......:mad::mad::poop::poop::ninja:

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Lol, Wombat, there is no farken way AVZ will be giving away CDL......its worth billions, 3 - 4 times bigger than RD, my personal view is AVZ will have to JV it, which i have said all along is the best compromise to end this ongoing stale mate.

Regardless of the shit show that AVZ is currently in, DRC Govt was never going to allow CDL to remain idle whilst AVZ concentrated on construction / production of RD , so it surprises me a little that AVZ BOD didnt conduct discussions with DRC govt ( aka JV ) back in May 2022 once they realised shenanigans were evident with the northern section of CDL post ML decree and subsequent suspended suspension.

If a JV arrangement was made in 2022, then possibly " harmonious relations within Dathcom " may have been retained thus arbitration could of been avoided and considerable progress of construction regards to RD would have been realised by now.

So moving forward and regards to this MOU, i would be interested in everyones thoughts about what it could possibly contain so that Manono can move forward in a positive way for all "parties".

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No doubt the carrot DRC govt will be dangling to AVZ is awarding the ML in lieu of dropping the arbitration cases, but that wont be suffice imo, their will have to be a solution to the Dathomir 15% , plus the Zijin 15% ROFR, plus a amicable arrangement regards to development of CDL.........aka JV.

Thoughts ?

Oh.........the count down is now on regards to the DRC elections....

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Who will win and why ?

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I have narrowed it down to 4 candidates that will most likely have the best chances.

Personally 3 & 21 would be disastrous for DRC going forward, my hope is that 15 or 21 gets in , with preference for 15.

But curious to know what others think....;)


Food for thought.
Fair enough . Zijin want/need a controlling stake in the Manono Project . Might well be in the form of a JV with AVZ for CDL . Either way I believe Zijin will hold the ML for CDL .

As for who wins the election ? It will be Felix . Why? Because China says so .
 
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Lol, Wombat, there is no farken way AVZ will be giving away CDL......its worth billions, 3 - 4 times bigger than RD, my personal view is AVZ will have to JV it, which i have said all along is the best compromise to end this ongoing stale mate.

Regardless of the shit show that AVZ is currently in, DRC Govt was never going to allow CDL to remain idle whilst AVZ concentrated on construction / production of RD , so it surprises me a little that AVZ BOD didnt conduct discussions with DRC govt ( aka JV ) back in May 2022 once they realised shenanigans were evident with the northern section of CDL post ML decree and subsequent suspended suspension.

If a JV arrangement was made in 2022, then possibly " harmonious relations within Dathcom " may have been retained thus arbitration could of been avoided and considerable progress of construction regards to RD would have been realised by now.

So moving forward and regards to this MOU, i would be interested in everyones thoughts about what it could possibly contain so that Manono can move forward in a positive way for all "parties".

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No doubt the carrot DRC govt will be dangling to AVZ is awarding the ML in lieu of dropping the arbitration cases, but that wont be suffice imo, their will have to be a solution to the Dathomir 15% , plus the Zijin 15% ROFR, plus a amicable arrangement regards to development of CDL.........aka JV.

Thoughts ?

Oh.........the count down is now on regards to the DRC elections....

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Who will win and why ?

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I have narrowed it down to 4 candidates that will most likely have the best chances.

Personally 3 & 21 would be disastrous for DRC going forward, my hope is that 15 or 21 gets in , with preference for 15.

But curious to know what others think....;)


Food for thought.
I'm thinking we just stick with the boards preferred candidate, which is Felix.
We went with them at the AGM, why stray from the path now?
 
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BEISHA

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I'm thinking we just stick with the boards preferred candidate, which is Felix.
We went with them at the AGM, why stray from the path now?
How did you come to the conclusion that AVZ prefers Felix ?

I certainly back the BOD going forward, but Felix ?


Lots of opposition to Felix getting re elected across the board let me tell you.
 
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Doc

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How did you come to the conclusion that AVZ prefers Felix ?

I certainly back the BOD going forward, but Felix ?


Lots of opposition to Felix getting re elected across the board let me tell you.
The recent SMH article had a reference to Felix being AVZ’ preferred candidate, perhaps from there
 
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Lol, Wombat, there is no farken way AVZ will be giving away CDL......its worth billions, 3 - 4 times bigger than RD, my personal view is AVZ will have to JV it, which i have said all along is the best compromise to end this ongoing stale mate.

Regardless of the shit show that AVZ is currently in, DRC Govt was never going to allow CDL to remain idle whilst AVZ concentrated on construction / production of RD , so it surprises me a little that AVZ BOD didnt conduct discussions with DRC govt ( aka JV ) back in May 2022 once they realised shenanigans were evident with the northern section of CDL post ML decree and subsequent suspended suspension.

If a JV arrangement was made in 2022, then possibly " harmonious relations within Dathcom " may have been retained thus arbitration could of been avoided and considerable progress of construction regards to RD would have been realised by now.

So moving forward and regards to this MOU, i would be interested in everyones thoughts about what it could possibly contain so that Manono can move forward in a positive way for all "parties".

View attachment 51762

No doubt the carrot DRC govt will be dangling to AVZ is awarding the ML in lieu of dropping the arbitration cases, but that wont be suffice imo, their will have to be a solution to the Dathomir 15% , plus the Zijin 15% ROFR, plus a amicable arrangement regards to development of CDL.........aka JV.

Thoughts ?

Oh.........the count down is now on regards to the DRC elections....

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Who will win and why ?

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I have narrowed it down to 4 candidates that will most likely have the best chances.

Personally 3 & 21 would be disastrous for DRC going forward, my hope is that 15 or 21 gets in , with preference for 15.

But curious to know what others think....;)


Food for thought.
I don't think it to be smart to too loudly express who or what is the preferred next President.

It is a choice for the locals to be made.
The BoD will have to work with whoever is the next President.

What would one say if a new President asks: "I heard you weren't in favour of me, how about that fukkin Mining License now?"

I think it is smarter to keep on working with the people in charge and keep your personal preferences to discuss on the beach while having a couple of coldies.
 
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I don't think it to be smart to too loudly express who or what is the preferred next President.

It is a choice for the locals to be made.
The BoD will have to work with whoever is the next President.

What would one say if a new President asks: "I heard you weren't in favour of me, how about that fukkin Mining License now?"

I think it is smarter to keep on working with the people in charge and keep your personal preferences to discuss on the beach while having a couple of coldies.
If you are referring to the BOD, completely agree.

Keep your mouth shut and be diplomatic.........regardless .
 
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cruiser51

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If you are referring to the BOD, completely agree.

Keep your mouth shut and be diplomatic.........regardless .
In referring to the BoD, I don't mean your BOD, really not interested in your BOD.

Yes be an adult and diplomatic, keep your personal preferences away from any on line medium, which can be read worldwide and used against us.

How would you feel if a person from any country tells you how they wish Australians should vote in any election?

Will you kindly advice them to fuk off??

Not that difficult.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
All I am saying is show people the respect you expect.
 
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