AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

You always articulate it better than I do Carlos lol.

That is precisely it. Just one thing - i think there are two cases for termination of JVA. One is the root cause, becasue Dathomir is the one who went to local DRC court to terminate JV.

So the emergency injunction against Cominiere is to stop them from acting on the assumption of termination; BECAUSE the ICC case against Dathomir is still underway.

We also have another case against dathomir which is basically a big fat fuck-off to Cong's seller's remorse.

ICSID is against DRC who, following Cominiere's request and bullshit reasons, canceled the ministerial decrees which provided the opening for JVA and JV to be terminated.

See how its all a web of lies and deciet and snackfuckery.

Dathomir termination attempt was September 4th this year. Way after Cominiere emergency order. Emergency order was all about Cominiere staying within DRC legal system rather than complying with Article 11.1 of Dathcom JVA and going to ICC.

 

[9cardomaha]

Whats this about them using the AVZ camp? I must have missed out on that.

The ones which Cominiere and Zijin said haven't been built and using as talking points to say no progress has been made? But their own people are living large in the camp?

This is some fucked up ruling about Mining rights are greater than all other property/land ownership. But i digress, the real point is the one i made above - fucking snakefuckers.

 

[Schnitzelfresser]

For all German shareholders. I received a message from Axino Capital. It looks like they manage the communication on behalf of the AVZ BOD for German shareholder.
They explain how to vote in this video ->

If your bank charge you anything you are allowed to send the bill to Jan De Jaeger and you are going to get a refund.


Hallo,

ich habe von Axino Capital eine Mitteilung erhalten. SIe erklären in diesem Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TDCQlxH5c) wie man bei seiner Bank abstimmen kann. Ich kann noch nicht bestätigen, ob das auch wirklich funktioniert und alle Broker bzw. Banken mitmachen und wie hoch die Kosten dafür sein werden. Da bei uns alles sehr langsam abläuft, hoffe ich, dass die Frist noch nicht abgelaufen ist. Die Kosten würde das Management erstatten. Auf den ersten Blick wurde Axino von Nigel beauftragt und zeigen auch im Video wie man gemäß Empfehlung des aktuellen BODs abstimmt. Es ist gut zu wissen, dass es nicht nur ein Trick der anderen drei Geier ist, unwissende Deutsche reinzulegen (z. B. Deeland).

EDIT: Changed LINK. Not it should work. For my Broker, Flatex, it is not working. They offer no service for foreign AGMs outside Germany/Austria. Time to change for me.

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

The ones which Cominiere and Zijin said haven't been built and using as talking points to say no progress has been made? But their own people are living large in the camp?

This is some fucked up ruling about Mining rights are greater than all other property/land ownership. But i digress, the real point is the one i made above - fucking snakefuckers.

What the fuck.

That's enough internet for me for the night finding that out.

Also I finally got my call from a Sydney landline number this afternoon, they must really be making their way down to the bottom of the register now. Was a very quick call when I asked if the call was about voting in the AGM and following the BOD's instructions. The lady almost seemed relieved that she didn't have to go through it with me

Those poor people must get their ears chewed off by every irate uninformed shareholder that knows nothing about whats going on other than they can't sell the $100 of shares they bought because their uncles, cousins, brother told them its a sure thing.

 

[9cardomaha]

Dathomir termination attempt was September 4th this year. Way after Cominiere emergency order. Emergency order was all about Cominiere staying within DRC legal system rather than complying with Article 11.1 of Dathcom JVA and going to ICC.
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Hmm you're right JV termination issued by Dathomir is after emergency injunction. There is a piece missing inbetween, its the termination of JVA by Cominiere in local DRC which triggered the injunction.

That should make the timeline correct - good eye as always Carlos.

TLDR: first domino falls and the proceeding shitstorm subsides and ZJ have their 'blush moment'. who should we be celebrating as the messiah?

 

[CHB]

Feels like we've been waiting for the first domino to fall since like February

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

Feels like we've been waiting for the first domino to fall since like February

First domino was supposed to be the SEZ in like 2021 wasn't it?

Should be coming any day now..........................................................................................

 

[9cardomaha]

Feels like we've been waiting for the first domino to fall since like February

I think you need a better understanding of dominoes my good man.

You need multiple dominoes set up to achieve the desired result. In feb there were only two pieces JCM v AVZ which was delayed due to an expenses paid cruise trip by the arbitrator and decree 00031, which at the time we didn't know would be a crucial trigger for one of the larger dominoes being set up.

 

[9cardomaha]

First domino was supposed to be the SEZ in like 2021 wasn't it?

Should be coming any day now..........................................................................................

LOL. You're right, but i am leaving my comment about needing better understanding of dominoes because i worked hard on that post. also CHB no hard feelings, just talking shit.

 

[Xerof]

Dathomir termination attempt was September 4th this year. Way after Cominiere emergency order. Emergency order was all about Cominiere staying within DRC legal system rather than complying with Article 11.1 of Dathcom JVA and going to ICC.
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He’s muttering on X that 11.1 and all of that is over ridden by some paragraph 2, under which DRC law prevails

Don’t shoot the messenger, I have nfi what he’s referring to

 

[Carlos Danger]

He’s muttering on X that 11.1 and all of that is over ridden by some paragraph 2, under which DRC law prevails

 

[Samus]

I think you need a better understanding of dominoes my good man.

You need multiple dominoes set up to achieve the desired result. In feb there were only two pieces JCM v AVZ which was delayed due to an expenses paid cruise trip by the arbitrator and decree 00031, which at the time we didn't know would be a crucial trigger for one of the larger dominoes being set up.

Have you uncovered any official documentation that supports Zijin's claim on more than half of 13359 9card? Or the hydro plant?

 

[Samus]

First domino was supposed to be the SEZ in like 2021 wasn't it?

Should be coming any day now..........................................................................................

The SEZ , that's like something from a fairy tale in a far away land long ago before the Manono project became like a piece of dog shit that no DRC politician go anywhere near for fear of treading in it.

 

[Carlos Danger]

He’s muttering on X that 11.1 and all of that is over ridden by some paragraph 2, under which DRC law prevails

Don’t shoot the messenger, I have nfi what he’s referring to

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He's talking about this

But his (And Cong's attempt on September 4th) entire reasoning for termination is based on non performance in Article 18.3 which says 11.1 must be followed

I would love to know what discrepancy in provisions he is trying argue lmao

 

[CHB]

LOL. You're right, but i am leaving my comment about needing better understanding of dominoes because i worked hard on that post. also CHB no hard feelings, just talking shit.

lol all good

 

[CHB]

The SEZ , that's like something from a fairy tale in a far away land long ago before the Manono project became like a piece of dog shit that no DRC politician go anywhere near for fear of treading in it.

Feel like the SEZ has morphed into an........... MOU

 

[John25]

MB very quiet of late .

Probably has everyone on IGNORE

 

[Carlos Danger]

I would love to know what discrepancy in provisions he is trying argue lmao

Feel like the SEZ has morphed into an........... MOU

What we are seeing is classic Chinese business lawfare. They will continuously throw bullshit at us to wear us down and use that to have the DRC government blame us for delaying the project. Which is batshit insane but brown bags speak louder than legislation and contracts to DRC ministers. Unfortunately Zijin have the resources and connections within the DRC to keep this going longer than AVZ can realistically withstand. That's why Nigel agreed to a significant compromise of our legal rights for the MoU imo

 

[Deleted member 2378]

For all German shareholders. I received a message from Axino Capital. It looks like they manage the communication on behalf of the AVZ BOD for German shareholder.
They explain how to vote in this video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TDCQlxH5c

If your bank charge you anything you are allowed to send the bill to Jan De Jaeger and you are going to get a refund.


Hallo,

ich habe von Axino Capital eine Mitteilung erhalten. SIe erklären in diesem Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TDCQlxH5c) wie man bei seiner Bank abstimmen kann. Ich kann noch nicht bestätigen, ob das auch wirklich funktioniert und alle Broker bzw. Banken mitmachen und wie hoch die Kosten dafür sein werden. Da bei uns alles sehr langsam abläuft, hoffe ich, dass die Frist noch nicht abgelaufen ist. Die Kosten würde das Management erstatten. Auf den ersten Blick wurde Axino von Nigel beauftragt und zeigen auch im Video wie man gemäß Empfehlung des aktuellen BODs abstimmt. Es ist gut zu wissen, dass es nicht nur ein Trick der anderen drei Geier ist, unwissende Deutsche reinzulegen (z. B. Deeland).

For all german shareholders I can confirm it's legit, I spoke to the bod and Mr. Seybold.
Please share it also in german forums. Thank you.

 

[wombat74]

What we are seeing is classic Chinese business lawfare. They will continuously throw bullshit at us to wear us down and use that to have the DRC government blame us for delaying the project. Which is batshit insane but brown bags speak louder than legislation and contracts to DRC ministers. Unfortunately Zijin have the resources and connections within the DRC to keep this going longer than AVZ can realistically withstand. That's why Nigel agreed to a significant compromise of our legal rights for the MoU imo

The MoU is just a f--k around IMO . More time wasting BS.