AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

This from Jens is pretty spot on imo


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None of that money in escrow is accessible unless we give up on the Dathomir 15% and / or the CATH deal. Which would effectively mean giving up on the ML as not winning the Dathomir arbitration would open up a can of worms within the DRC and without CATH we will struggle to find another buyer for part of Dathcom while all this bullshit is going on imo

Cominiere won't pay their fines at the ICC. Do they even have 20m and counting?

Quarterly says bod have appointed a firm to lead efforts to raise funding for AVZ's near term working capital and legal requirements. Sounds like dilution to me.

 

[investinvest]

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I believe we need to be trading to have access to the ATM

Correct. From my research it appears that in the usual course of business on an actively trading stock, the company can raise funds via ATM by instructing the ATM agent to sell some shares (issued to the ATM agent) at a predetermined price at the market in its behalf and have the proceeds passed on to the company.

DYOR IMO

 

[Mikrokosmonaut]

Correct. From my research it appears that in the usual course of business on an actively trading stock, the company can raise funds via ATM by instructing the ATM agent to sell some shares (issued to the ATM agent) at a predetermined price at the market in its behalf and have the proceeds passed on to the company.

DYOR IMO

I think it is not a determined price. It is the current market price. ATM is at "at the market. You have to trade. The higher the price, the higher the reward.

So start trading again (at the Moment) just to gain acess to the ATM is not a good idea

 

[Doc]

This from Jens is pretty spot on imo


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We can’t touch the Dathomir money as we adamant we paid in full so money not ours.
If CATH are in any way shape or form in cahoots with other Chinese entities they will demand the $20mil break fee.
So no, we don’t have access to 20-40m at all imo

 

[BRICK]

Ok so it's always bugged me that we've never had an English version of the CCK bribe tape. So I made one.

Translation is still a bit off but it's as close as I can get it after days of faffing around trying to get it right.

Youtube video is no good for twitter so there's also a direct download link you can save the raw file to your device of choice.

Happy to take feedback and constructive criticism.

DIRECT DOWNLOAD https://we.tl/t-Jk5AR0fDxf

Spike!

Thhis is awesome!
You could make a careeer out of this but looks like from your twitter handle you already have!

Only thing that i thought may be good is to keep the translated text on the screen a little longer after each translation (for those of us a little slower to read?)

 

[pow4ade]

Good sign she’s meeting with the MoM as well, hopefully Minoli can explain the good work Australian mining companies can do

Just depends how persuasive she is with 29 years of diplomatic experience under her belt. Hopefully she's more than just a token diversity appointment. Whatever, she's a migrant success story:

And I could never have imagined that I would one day be privileged to be the Australian Ambassador in Zimbabwe, leading the team prosecuting Australia’s interests in south-east Africa.

https://www.75yearsaustraliasrilanka.com/75/how-i-became-an-australian-ambassador

 

[BRICK]

Fuck is there brown paper bags going around ???

Maybe I’ll get my money back that way

Just Joking unless it’s worth it…

Ahh everyone has a price right ???

Sucks but true..

GLTAH

Avoid the brown paper bags with the dog shit in them. Those are reserved for MMGA.

 

[Chilla]

None of that money in escrow is accessible unless we give up on the Dathomir 15% and / or the CATH deal. Which would effectively mean giving up on the ML as not winning the Dathomir arbitration would open up a can of worms within the DRC and without CATH we will struggle to find another buyer for part of Dathcom while all this bullshit is going on imo

Cominiere won't pay their fines at the ICC. Do they even have 20m and counting?

Quarterly says bod have appointed a firm to lead efforts to raise funding for AVZ's near term working capital and legal requirements. Sounds like dilution to me.

Any dilution should be offset by the cancellation of 60 million shares previously issued as collateral for the ATM Facility when it expires end of Feb.

So no big deal….should be neutral or negative dilution.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Any dilution should be offset by the cancellation of 60 million shares previously issued as collateral for the ATM Facility when it expires end of Feb.

So no big deal….should be neutral or negative dilution.

If we can't get the ML in the next $11m then it's not coming. The risk premium here for any potential raise is insane. We will need a shit tonne more than 60m shares to pay for the ICSID if it needs to go the distance.

This suspension has gone from just a few days to clarify our rights to now a potential of years of litigation payed for by dilution

I'm having deja vu of going from just two weeks to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overrun to anyone that goes outside past 8pm is literally killing grandmas

 

[Retrobyte]

Anyone know if the AGM is to be live streamed, like last year?

They are moving the venue for the AGM to Optus Stadium to cope with the anticipated numbers of attendees - 20,000 shareholders, 5000 director nominees, 10,000 lawyers and 25000 security staff. Will be live streamed on 7 Plus.

 

[wombat74]

If we can't get the ML in the next 11m then it's not coming. The risk premium here for any potential raise is insane. We will need a shit tonne more than 60m shares to pay for the ICSID if it needs to go the distance.

This suspension has gone from just a few days to clarify our rights to now a potential of years of litigation payed for by dilution

I'm having deja vu of going from just two weeks to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overrun to anyone that goes outside past 8pm is literally killing grandmas

By the next 11m you mean $11million ?

 

[obe wan]

Is that without applying the no vacancy rule?

I think what you are saying is that because we are not being asked to vote on the no vacancy rule the additional two spots on the board up to the max of nine in the AVZ constitution are available as long as one of the rabble or MMGA get a higher % vote than at least one of the endorsed nominees. But MMGA get polled first anyway so they will have either won or lost already before it gets to that point. The rules in the supplementary booklet say candidates will be appointed starting with resolution 2 and ending in resolution 22 until the five vacancies are filled and then the rest are deemed defeated. It says nothing about priority for the five endorsed nominees but how you are describing is how I originally saw it.

If it is decided 2 to 22 with no preference then the only way the no vacancy rule would come into play to help MMGA is if they win their votes and five of the rabble nominees above them also win but with a lower percentage which would still allow them to get the two seats at the end yeah?

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Spoke with someone late last night on this ; she reckoned that if it’s not under the vacancy rule ; then the endorsed taking precedence over non endorsed is actually out the window …. Agreed that the line up was pretty ballsy . So my bad , I fucked up on this one

 

[Carlos Danger]

By the next 11m you mean $11million ?

Yes

 

[Carlos Danger]

Spoke with someone late last night on this ; she reckoned that if it’s not under the vacancy rule ; then the endorsed taking precedence over non endorsed is actually out the window …. Agreed that the line up was pretty ballsy . So my bad , I fucked up on this one

Ok cool thanks for confirming dude

So we need to follow the BoD instructions or risk having 1 or more of their 5 endorsed candidates miss out

 

[Chilla]

If we can't get the ML in the next 11m then it's not coming. The risk premium here for any potential raise is insane. We will need a shit tonne more than 60m shares to pay for the ICSID if it needs to go the distance.

This suspension has gone from just a few days to clarify our rights to now a potential of years of litigation payed for by dilution

I'm having deja vu of going from just two weeks to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overrun to anyone that goes outside past 8pm is literally killing grandmas

With respect I think you are over dramatising it. They could easily raise $25mil to fund a further year of full blown legals with neutral or negative dilution from the cancellation of 60 million shares. It’s no big deal … Mr Pei likely jump at the chance to get a slice of AVZ and keep in the good books at the same time by showing support.

 

[Carlos Danger]

With respect I think you are over dramatising it. They could easily raise $25mil to fund a further year of full blown legals with neutral or negative dilution from the cancellation of 60 million shares. It’s no big deal … Mr Pei likely jump at the chance to get a slice of AVZ and keep in the good books at the same time by showing support.

Would you give AVZ more money?

A slice of AVZ is rapidly becoming the promise of a future of years of chasing the DRC government for compensation. I wouldn't give Nigel another fucking cent. Anyone that is willing to give us $25m is going to want a decent slice of the pie for that risk.

 

[pow4ade]

Regarding access to the ATM, from memory that facility was granted for Cap/ex spending rather Op/ex. And we need to be trading aa well. Maybe someone can confirm as can't find the ann.

 

[Xerof]

Spoke with someone late last night on this ; she reckoned that if it’s not under the vacancy rule ; then the endorsed taking precedence over non endorsed is actually out the window …. Agreed that the line up was pretty ballsy . So my bad , I fucked up on this one

Cheers Obe

Yes, they apparently took legal advice on how to treat all the nominees. It is clear in the Constitution of AVZ how to do it - straight ballot to reduce to the number of vacancies, but they chose to go this way, and I guess to avoid any possibility of being accused of any bias, they put themselves at the back of the queue. Ballsy indeed, but also should prompt voters to actually fucking vote, as any low turnout will see a clusterfuck (with apologies to our brave nominees - no offence meant to you guys)

 

[Chilla]

Would you give AVZ more money?

A slice of AVZ is rapidly becoming the promise of a future of years of chasing the DRC government for compensation. I wouldn't give Nigel another fucking cent. Anyone that is willing to give us $25m is going to want a decent slice of the pie for that risk.

As I said…..I think you are over dramatising it. We will get clarity soon enough on whether or not there is an MoU pathway forward. That will set the scene for future funding requirements. We have sufficient funds as going concern. It was right of AVZ to highlight strategy of investigating funding options covering different scenarios.

 

[Spikerama]

Spike!

Thhis is awesome!
You could make a careeer out of this but looks like from your twitter handle you already have!

Only thing that i thought may be good is to keep the translated text on the screen a little longer after each translation (for those of us a little slower to read?)

Yeah thanks mate. There is some issues with timing I agree. I will try refine it but obviously you don't want to have too much text on screen at once and his speech pattern is all over the place. Sometimes fast with no gaps and sometimes super slow. So it's a balance of making way for the next sentence without losing pace sometimes.

There's some other thing s I want to fix. The line "what we put in the draft transfer contract" didn't render correctly.

Plus there is no consistency with quotation marks.

I got to late last night and just wanted to get it out first. But I will re-look at it shortly.