AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

Imo I love it the only laugh I've had In 18 months but fuck I hope your right. Cheers

The whole kingdom snow white

 

[M.Bison]

Jens is saying that because we are arbitrating in the states it effects the MOU the USA have with the DRC. As in Washington are now involved and aware and they might do something. I can’t bring myself to believe government in the states works at this level. “If you don’t behave nice to these pissweak Tasmanian geologists who keep telling you how to do your business, we won’t buy any more of your artisanal mined cobalt for our F250s”. I just can’t see them linking the MOU to the AVZ outcome. I’d like to. But then I’d like to torture half the bod and see what else they knew.

Agree. But think of it from another angle. It’s less about helping Avz and more about blocking the Chinese from accessing minerals. The Americans do want to do that.

 

[Xerof]

China's used all it's brown paper bags, now resorting to red envelopes

 

[CHB]

Agree, however few issues here.
1. Our partners are Chinese
2. Biden couldn’t even say lithium if he tried
3. Albo to busy trying to convince indigenous Australians they are all one tribe and that a “voice” is actually a group of people in a room offering opinions.

I sincerely wonder if the DRC have actually done much wrong other than sell cheaply (completely their own perogative) and ignore our first right of refusal (despite actually trying to meet with our BOD). When you think on it from the perspective of the DRC or Chinese it is concerning. Why didn’t BOD just play ball when she asked us too. I have to say I’m really really not into this idea of suing the government. It just seems so ill conceived. How are we at such a last resort?
People on Twitter linking American agreements with an intervention in our favour. There’s no way that any American government would do that.

Not much wrong besides ignoring our first right of refusal?

Hard to tell if you're trolling or not

 

[Carlos Danger]

Jens is saying that because we are arbitrating in the states it effects the MOU the USA have with the DRC. As in Washington are now involved and aware and they might do something. I can’t bring myself to believe government in the states works at this level. “If you don’t behave nice to these pissweak Tasmanian geologists who keep telling you how to do your business, we won’t buy any more of your artisanal mined cobalt for our F250s”. I just can’t see them linking the MOU to the AVZ outcome. I’d like to. But then I’d like to torture half the bod and see what else they knew.

You have no idea how the world works

I recommend you read the MOU. It is about building batteries in the DRC and isn't legally binding. How the fuck can you build batteries without lithium?

 

[Charbella]

Any truth in this? @Nellie17 @The Fox @9cardomaha

 

[Hudnut]

Any truth in this? @Nellie17 @The Fox @9cardomaha

Not exactly rocket science. The DRC wants AVZ to drop all legal actions against actors violating their legal rights, in which the DRC is either directly complicit, if not contributary due to being willfully inactive. We'll drop them when the DRC follows their own mining laws and Cominiere adheres to the terms of the JV. The DRC has been given more than enough chances to do the right thing.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Any truth in this? @Nellie17 @The Fox @9cardomaha

Looks like Felix read the MOU lmao

 

[Xerof]

Well mate, nothing new in that

I've been an arsehole, a kunt, a Carmelite nun, and now I'm just a regular

my only consistency is xerof

As for you bags, well fuckin hell

Let's just see what develops - this might be true, actually not entirely unexpected IMO. The ball is 100% in DRC's court to clean this up, and fast.

AVZ is the one on solid ground legally, all the other cunts are about to get fucked over, and they could be starting to realise they can no longer be 'clever'

 

[Roon]

You have no idea how the world works

I recommend you read the MOU. It is about building batteries in the DRC and isn't legally binding. How the fuck can you build batteries without lithium?

Like everyone else does I guess - importing hydroxide or carbonate, given the refinement infrastructure only currently exists in a few placee. Mostly Chyna Chyna Chyna. Even if construction on Manono in DRC started tomorrow I can't see them being able to construct batteries in-country using DRC lithium within 5 years, at an extremely optimistic minimim.

The gringos as you put it would probably love to control a chain from production through to refinement and battery manufacturing, but they've been behind the eight ball at every stage in Africa and I don't think that's about to change. Hope you're right though! Manono could be a key piece in that puzzle if that indeed is their intent, and one they actually will act upon rather than all the usual talk and then, oops too late.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Like everyone else does I guess - importing hydroxide or carbonate, given the refinement infrastructure only currently exists in a few placee. Mostly Chyna Chyna Chyna. Even if construction on Manono in DRC started tomorrow I can't see them being able to construct batteries in-country using DRC lithium within 5 years, at an extremely optimistic minimim.

The gringos as you put it would probably love to control a chain from production through to refinement and battery manufacturing, but they've been behind the eight ball at every stage in Africa and I don't think that's about to change. Hope you're right though! Manono could be a key piece in that puzzle if that indeed is their intent, and one they actually will act upon rather than all the usual talk and then, oops too late.

There is zero chance the gringos are going to fund a battery value chain in the DRC while corruption is rampant and all profits go to China imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

You can’t build batteries without lithium mate. Are you implying that I don’t understand this concept. Or are you implying that I don’t know how the world works because I believe that an unbinding MOU signed by a bunch of American politicians may not have any bearing on the outcome of an Australian small cap miners outcome in 3 seperate arbitrations? DRC has been corrupt since heart of darkness. And continues to be. Do we really think the yanks will clean it up because a rich boy from Tasmania didn’t get to be a billionaire.

The gringos are doing this for themselves not Nigel

Ultimately this is now up to Felix so it may still not have a bearing on a positive outcome for AVZ as he may choose China over the west

But if you had read the the MOU you would understand that it has absolutely nothing to do with cobalt import contracts lmfao

 

[Samus]

It's pretty clear Americans couldn't give a fuck about Manono or they would have invested in it in the first place.
Drawing some conclusion that holding an arbitration hearing in US courts means that they're backing AVZ is a desperate pack of bullshit imo.
A bit of diplomacy here and there that never amounts to anything, wank, wank, wank with a cheese grater.

 

[Roon]

There is zero chance the gringos are going to fund a battery value chain in the DRC while corruption is rampant and all profits go to China imo
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Oh I agree, that's partly why I don't think they'll be funding or building one at all

 

[Carlos Danger]

It's pretty clear Americans couldn't give a fuck about Manono or they would have invested in it in the first place.
Drawing some conclusion that holding an arbitration hearing in US courts means that they're backing AVZ is a desperate pack of bullshit imo.
A bit of diplomacy here and there that never amounts to anything, wank, wank, wank with a cheese grater.

Elections have consequences imo

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Any truth in this? @Nellie17 @The Fox @9cardomaha

Oooh, they sound a bit grumpy…

Ok, so you know I love my out-of-the-box thinking, so here’s an idea i’d like to put forward for consideration by the government of the DRC:

Issue. the. fucking. mining. license.

#FuckZijin

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Not exactly rocket science. The DRC wants AVZ to drop all legal actions against actors violating their legal rights, in which the DRC is either directly complicit, if not contributary due to being willfully inactive. We'll drop them when the DRC follows their own mining laws and Cominiere adheres to the terms of the JV. The DRC has been given more than enough chances to do the right thing.

It’s that fucking simple.

 

[RHyNO]

The gringos are doing this for themselves not Nigel

Ultimately this is now up to Felix so it may still not have a bearing on a positive outcome for AVZ as he may choose China over the west

But if you had read the the MOU you would understand that it has absolutely nothing to do with cobalt import contracts lmfao

I was being flippant. I thought that was implied in the tone. I’ve read the MOU. And I think you’re right Re the choice about the west vs China. What a fucking lame way for us all to lose money. Because a corrupt asshole threw his people under the bus. I wonder if Cath might weigh in in our support.

 

[j.l]

Dathcom still legally own the tenement. It would be much easier to buy us out than go through all the legal dramas of having it just awarded to someone else. The gringos are ruthless but they wouldn't be with an Australian company imo

Then they would open themselves up to arbitration proceedings which could amount to billions and billions as the project starts generating money and it becomes obvious what it is really worth. USA are supposed to be an Australian ally also. May be better to pay $2 now rather than have a $10 billion arbitration claim.

Works for me!

 

[Frank]

*In other News, I see where Ol' Antoinette ( MoM ) is under the Pump ( Please Explain ) for Violating Mining Laws by the look of it, as

SACIM affair: the Senate joins Ngoyi Kasanji and demands that the Minister of Mines cancel the decree granting the diamond marketing monopoly to the CEEC

The Congolese Senate invites the Minister of Mines, Antoinette Nsamba, to report the decree entrusting the monopoly of marketing to the Center of Expertise, Evaluation and Certification (CEEC) excluding other bidders for diamond tenders.

Its president, Modeste Bahati, notified it via correspondence dated June 5, 2023, a copy of which is relayed by RTNC.

“I have the honor to remind you of the resolution of the Senate to report your Order n°0049/CAB.MINMINES/01/2022 of February 22, 2022 which violates articles 85 and 105 of law number 18/001 of March 09 2018 amending and supplementing Law No. 007/2002 of July 11, 2002,” writes Modeste Bahati.

And to motivate:

“Indeed, your decree below entrusts the diamond marketing monopoly to the CEEC, excluding other tenderers.

This causes significant shortfalls for producing companies and national and provincial public services that benefit from taxes, duties and mining royalties when tenders are validated at prices far below those of the market”.

As a reminder, national deputy Alphonse Ngoyi Kasanji had seized the country's institutions for this decree which, according to him, will precipitate the bankruptcy of the Anhui/Congo Mining Investment Company (SACIM) in Kasai Oriental after the MIBA cycle.

mediacongo


*Now how about calling her out / into Question on AVZ & Manono

Food for thought

Frank