AVZ Discussion 2022

Dijon101

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I literally have no idea how Zijin are claiming any damages??

they buy 15% for $33 million (apparently illegally)
claim $800 odd damages..

for what ? lost income? hardship?

Zijin have literally done NOTHING except come in last minute and collude with corrupt actors.
No core samples, no feasibility studies, nothing.

Amazing return on investment in 12 months for doing absolutely nothing

Only thing I can think of is they are claiming on future lost income as Cominiere and Zijin are loosing both their 10% and 15% respectively.

FUCK THEM!
 
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cruiser51

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Abrasive 😂😂 I thought I just stated the obvious!! Nice to have a little chat with genuine people here pt

Now as @cruiser51 suggests, it’s time to get back on topic…. And hopefully shareholder’s here can spot the trolls 🧌
You don't have to be Einstein to recognise the thin skinned wankers
 
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cruiser51

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I literally have no idea how Zijin are claiming any damages??

they buy 15% for $33 million (apparently illegally)
claim $800 odd damages..

for what ? lost income? hardship?

Zijin have literally done NOTHING except come in last minute and collude with corrupt actors.
No core samples, no feasibility studies, nothing.

Amazing return on investment in 12 months for doing absolutely nothing

Only thing I can think of is they are claiming on future lost income as Cominiere and Zijin are loosing both their 10% and 15% respectively.

FUCK THEM!
Mate I got very recently moderated for less swearing than that, welcome to the new TSE
 
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Azzler

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Bhags as you suspect if he is Der Les, then, credit where credit is due: he did discover what was right under all our nose hairs: further evidence of fraudulent misconduct by Boatman or source and the Australian Financial Review willing to endorse and publish based on Bostman’s uploaded documents despite the tampering that they as professionals should have detected from their source.

I do not see any usurping. I think you are just holding a grudge. Can you leave it be so we can focus on the important stuff
Discoverd?
Or given information directly from Z because AVZ dismissed their claim.
They needed someone on the "inside" to stir concern, to get people worried.
Ahh then they have their so called "informer" in place.

It was also incredibly obvious and common knowledge that boatman and Tommy were acting fraudulently for personal gain.
He uncovered nothing, but it was a good excuse to look like you're on team AVZ. Investigate something on our detractors that in the end ammounts to nothing.
 
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$5.66B USD valuation according to their (presumably) incorrect or overinflated figures.
~$8.5B AUD equivalent.

They are welcome to buy us for that.
$8.5B AUD x AVZ 75% legal ownership of Dathcom = $6.375B AUD

$6.375B AUD ÷ 3.52B AVZ SOI = $1.81 AUD per share

Not too far off my 1.88 prediction haha

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Thaz

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Thank you zijijn.

You have now valued the Company, while it is in trading halt, at a premium of more than 2x times its last traded share price. And i would imagine that this value is still undercooked/at a discount.

I think for those holding it in an SMSF, this would potentially do nicely in valuing the shares?
 
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Der Geist

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Discoverd?
Or given information directly from Z because AVZ dismissed their claim.
They needed someone on the "inside" to stir concern, to get people worried.
Ahh then they have their so called "informer" in place.

It was also incredibly obvious and common knowledge that boatman and Tommy were acting fraudulently for personal gain.
He uncovered nothing, but it was a good excuse to look like you're on team AVZ. Investigate something on our detractors that in the end ammounts to nothing.
There are ramifications for the AFR

And this retired lawyer doesn’t agree with you.



 
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TheCount

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Thank you zijijn.

You have now valued the Company, while it is in trading halt, at a premium of more than 2x times its last traded share price. And i would imagine that this value is still undercooked/at a discount.

I think for those holding it in an SMSF, this would potentially do nicely in valuing the shares?
Until the raging Communist lefties start taxing unrealised gains!!

Imagine being in suspension - copping an added tax - and being unable to realise any profits..... Labor has to be stopped.

TC.
 
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Azzler

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Lovely morning in Melbourne today, I had much to think about when out on my walk.

Please indulge another post of mine just thinking out loud.

We're collectively being sued for damages, but what damages? It's not mentioned in the announcement.
IF AVZ have been removed as claimed by CKK, then what is there to sue?
Why have AVZ pointed out the fact that the claimed amounts add up to Z and Coms claimed ownership in a valuation of the company at $5.66B?

I can't help but think (ever the optimist) that AVZ have secured Manono and Com and Z are out. But it can not yet be announced, finalizing stages ect...
So Com and Z are sueing for their claimed ownership valuations.

AVZ have to anounce the ICC request, but can't yet announce the win for Manono, so this is what we get.

Why would AVZ mention this specifically...

"it appears on face value that the
amount of the damages claims is based on Jin Cheng holding a 15% interest
and Cominière a 10% interest in Dathcom, thus suggesting that the Claimants
are valuing the entirety of the Manono Project at US$5.66 billion"

To the optimist, this looks like a wink.
Why would they make this particular observation in an official announcement?
To me they're telling us they want to be payed out.... which means we might have won.

Gods I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. There's missing information about this ICC request announcement.

Am I utterly crazy thinking this?
 
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cruiser51

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Azzler

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There are ramifications for the AFR

And this retired lawyer doesn’t agree with you.




Oh I agree.
But that won't have any outcome on determining the success or failure of AVZ.
Neither side gives a shit what happens to the AFR.
 
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Until the raging Communist lefties start taxing unrealised gains!!

Imagine being in suspension - copping an added tax - and being unable to realise any profits..... Labor has to be stopped.

TC.
Amen

Wealth taxes don't work in the real world

Suggesting people can just take out loans to cover this sort of situation is batshit insane
 
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Azzler

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Amen

Wealth taxes don't work in the real world

Suggesting people can just take out loans to cover this sort of situation is batshit insane
Hmm Pretty sure no one serious has ever proposed taxing unrealised gains?
 
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geo_au

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Hang on, didn't AVZ just win this ruling in the ICC - "restraining Cominière from taking any actions with regards to its purported termination of the Dathcom Joint Venture Agreement (Dathcom JVA)." How can the ICC restrain them one week and then engage in this case the following week? My head hurts!

It's called tit for tat or desperation if you like.
 
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TheCount

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There are ramifications for the AFR

And this retired lawyer doesn’t agree with you.




Wasn't that discovered by Sir Les?

Try to keep up haha

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TheCount

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There are ramifications for the AFR

And this retired lawyer doesn’t agree with you.




Your writing style reminds me of a very high profile Lawyer, recently had a Birthday (mid 70's), worked in Sydney. We used to have many conversations about Redfire Resources back in the day......
TC.
 
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Hmm Pretty sure no one serious has ever proposed taxing unrealised gains?
This is how it starts


The Treasurer has defended a decision to include unrealised gains in the calculation for the higher rate of tax on super balances above $3 million and dismissed a backlash from the accounting industry.

Under the proposals an individual’s total super balance, which includes all notional gains and losses, will trigger the 30 per cent tax rate and that means members impacted by the measure will pay tax on unrealised earnings.

Accountants said this could cause problems for farmers and small business owners who often held one lumpy asset in their SMSF and might have insufficient liquidity to meet a tax liability.

Technical experts have already cited examples of problems with the way the government intends to calculate earnings for the measure.

Smarter SMSF chief executive Aaron Dunn said changes in a member’s total super balance purely from moves in the market value of assets would involve a tax liability to pay.

“[This is] in addition to the subsequent CGT on the disposal of the asset in the future which must be applied proportionately due to the disregarded small fund asset rules,” he said in a recent article.

The proposed measure could therefore impose a significant cash flow burden on many funds.

Heffron managing director Meg Heffron gave an example to illustrate the cash flow issue on a large unrealised gain.

Ms Heffron gave an example of Brad whose earnings were $1 million for the financial year due to the skyrocketing value of a property. Brad had $5.5 million in super.

The proportion of his earnings that will be subject to the extra tax of 15 per cent would be 45.45 per cent.

So in this case: 45.45% x $1m x 15% = $68,000 (approximately).

“What if Brad’s super fund was really only generating enough cash to pay his pension? The property is rented out and earns around $150,000 per annum but with expenses etc, there’s not a huge buffer over the pension payments,” she said.

“Normally that’s not a problem – Brad’s fund only needs enough cash to pay his pension and (worst case) if the property is untenanted for a while or needs major repairs so cash really dries up, he’s allowed to switch off (commute) his pension so that the fund doesn’t need any cash flow for a while.

“However, this special extra tax will apply regardless, and if the fund doesn’t have the cash to pay it, Brad will have to.

“So in fact this extra tax could mean Brad’s retirement income is used to pay tax on growth in the value of his fund’s property.”


It may be hard to feel sorry for someone who has more than $3 million stashed away but farmers say proposed changes to superannuation will seriously affect many hard-working families.

Unlike average Australians on a salary who get employer contributions to their super, farmers have to fund their own retirement and many do it by putting their farm into a self-managed fund.

When they retire they might lease the property out to earn income, sometimes to their children who then inherit the property when their parents die.

Under the federal government's proposed changes, however, farmers with more than $3m in their superannuation fund will have to pay capital gains tax if their property goes up in value.

A 5 per cent increase on a $3m property could result in a tax bill of perhaps $50k.

For some farmers, if they are cash poor, that could mean they may have to sell assets to pay the tax bill, but if the property value goes down the next year, they won't get a refund.

The federal government's plan is to double the tax rate on the nation's largest super accounts from 15 to 30 per cent in 2025, which it says will affect about 80,000 people who have more than $3m in their super fund.

That proposal includes a new tax on "unrealised gains", or the amount that the property increases in value in a financial year.

ASX shares included

Julie Schofield from rural financial services firm Boyce warns it is not just the farm that could be taxed under this proposal.

"It's listed equities as well, any assets that have gone up in value in a superfund environment, but only for people with balances greater than $3m," Ms Schofield said.

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