AVZ Discussion 2022

[Mr Inappropriate]

Ye look I’m totally over these wankers too don’t get me wrong about that ; shareholders have gone through the mills ; last 8 months in particular have been consumed with constant social media screen watching; as opposed to giving and spending time to things that really matter in life.

I think some of your last paragraph presses the point -

“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

“Greed , corruption and stupidity “ - 100% ; this has been absolute mind boggling ; I can’t get my head around some of the antics of sheer stupidity that have gone on and all stemming from the greed and corruption pot ; it’s like these people do one thing which is totally incomprehensible to us ; totally stand out nuts and no repercussions…. It’s like it’s just the norm ,get on with it ; it’s corruption, it’s just the done thing , don’t think about it ! Wanna cup of tea and a biscuit ?

‘Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing’ -

Again yes totally agree ; zijin are a huge problem and the Congolese who feed and get fed from entities like Zijin are a massive parasitic issue ; these combined suck the lifeblood out of everything and it’s extremely difficult to alter this, as this root grows and spreads right out over time feeding more with $ and a sense of importance ; very difficult to control once it spreads and further takes root … a little Chinese money goes a long way and provides between return when dishes out in the DRC

*Give them hell, who cares at this point

*They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway

*Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing,

The 3 points above is where we are at ; posters in general don’t have a clue what’s happening ; frustrated at locked up capital and thoughts as to how failure will likely alter lifestyle moving forward ; lack of information is extremely frustrating ; all the above just cuts on the nerve .

Those 3 points just show that some have come to a point and basically written it off, even though they have zero information , as to what’s evolving on the other side ; what management are up to ; who they are speaking to …. So we (shareholders) know nothing ( recent ann about why we don’t comply with listing rule 3.1, basically tells us why we don’t know ) , but it’s hard to stay still and say nothing , but it’s not in shareholders control . So why do we assume blindly that we’ll just take this course of action at any particular time and Start lambasting ministers etc …. I think a great effort has been done in the lead up to where we are now by some on Twitter in calling some DRC / Chinese crooks out … but I’ve a feeling that Cominiere and co are on a final desperate retarded death roll

It’s proving up imo that most of this is being politically balanced at this point ; slow arduous work but imo in progress ; if there was no political swells and we we’re walking this same path 4 months ago ; I very much doubt that we’d be still here ; I reckon AVZ would be already in DRC to the ICC mode.

There’s been a few posters in the past in here and indeed on Twitter with wink winks , but as we know zero has come to fruition … I’m pretty sure that these posters were pretty bang on with … let’s say ‘the feelings’ which were resonating by those that’s some would expect to know more ; but for one reason or other all these posters and sources were equally disappointed when thing passed by; seems that a lot of the apparent reasons when postmortem results were enquires about that it was to do with political tripwires and ‘enter at your own risk’ signs which had popped up and or certain channels had seemed to have grown tumours since last speak, as those ‘distractors’ seemed to borrow deeper in order to try and protect their easy money easily lifestyle channels which before has just seemed natural….. of course those winkers no longer wink here ; they either just observe or keep it to themselves rather bring on a stoning or heckling like something out if the life of Brian

Anyway there’s been a couple of things especially out of the Cominiere side which of course runs on to Zijin as of late which would suggest some desperation is also seeping in there . For those who think management are not pressing in on it full bore , I reckon you couldn’t be much further from the truth ; in the past particularly during my hotcrapper posting days I’ve been pretty critical of management ; but over the last 6 months I have gained great respect for them and how they are now navigating this; it’s been a road of an unbelievable amount of hurdles and bloody stressful for all ; this has not been made easy particularly with FTs re-elections coming up as he’s not been able to put a guys to anyone’s head so to say and forget about political repercussions …. But my feeling is that management are now on the hinge point of flipping that boulder and this with the backing of a hamstrung but mostly functional DRC government which are gaining momentum whilst keeping their reelection ship above water


“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”

Imo the above would probably be welcomed by cominiere , Zijin and Co ; back the DRC government into a corner ; drag this whole thing right out etc

Management are doing what they are being paid to do and fwiw ; I reckon NF has earned his keep over the last 12 months …. Obviously not a lover as to how all this thing spilled out on the ground ; but hat off to NF in how he’s been dealing with it ; he’s been away from family and out of country far far more than he’s been here over the last 10 months.

If whispers are coming out from particular individuals asking if we can smooth it down a bit on social media … and I’m frustrated beyond words … then maybe just a little longer isn’t such a bad idea … ye I know 12 months is a long bloody time

apologies for all fat finger errors , grammer etc, twas an iphone post

I remain keen to go hard at Z on the bird. No one could argue with that, right?

 

[marksmann007]

 

[GuruDukun]

Yes, yes. You are angry, I am angry… we are all angry.

But, do SH’s really think it would be wise to sling mud at FT when the decision lies with him and those close to him?

Until the decision has been made, try and be precise with your anger. When we clearly don’t know what is going on behind closed doors, don’t speculate and leave us other (sh) open to criticism and give detractors ammo to influence such a critical decision for us.

RDC, along with many developing countries are fiercely patriotic. Don’t turn this into a “neo colonists vs us (RDC)” thing by insulting the head of state.

Secondly, hierarchies are much more apparent than in Australia. We love to sling shit upwards. They have much more respect.

If you keep fighting against the reality of the situation, regardless of whether you like it or not, you’ll do your head in. Be better. Act smarter.

 

[GuruDukun]

I remain keen to go hard at Z on the bird. No one could argue with that, right?

Agreed!

 

[MoneyBags1348]

*Lol, Now that's Funny, Sadly Probably True tbo

Fyi, Check this out, PM gets a Please Explain while two faced Bitch / Green Witch watches on,

Execution of the government program: Sama Lukonde expected at the National Assembly

Three years after his inauguration, Sama Lukonde is called upon to explain the level of execution of his ambitious action program based on 5 pillars with more than 60 priority areas.

The diversification of the economy, securing the country, the fight against corruption and poverty are among the priorities.

National deputy Crispin Mbindule, elected from Butembo (North Kivu) tabled an oral question with debate to this effect at the office of the National Assembly.

National deputy Crispin Mbindule has just addressed an oral question with debate addressed to Prime Minister Sama Lukonde.

According to the deputy interpellator Crispin Mbindule, Sama must appear before the national representation to explain the level of execution of the government program Sama Lukonde 2021-2023.

The elected representative of Butembo in the province of North Kivu recalls that before the national representation, the Prime Minister had undertaken, when he came to power, to make the Democratic Republic of the Congo a strong, prosperous and united state on the move. towards its development.

"More than two years after the investiture of your government by the National Assembly, the Congolese people continue to challenge us on the various promises contained in your government program", indicated Crispin Mbindule in his document sent to the office of the Lower House of Parliament.

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The preoccupations

In view of the government's program mentioned above and the critical evolution of the daily life of the population, the interpellating deputy raises, among other concerns, the assessment at the current stage on the pacification of the country and the promotion of reconciliation, cohesion and national unity; what about the round tables announced for the provinces under a state of siege; the “Disarmament, Demobilization, Community Reintegration and Stability, PDDRCS” program; strengthening the authority of the state, promoting the state and democracy in our country as outlined in your government program; the results of joint FARDC-UPDF operations in the Beni sector and surroundings, and the deployment of EAC troops in North Kivu.

In addition, as head of government, Crispin Mbindule wants to know the results of voter registration operations by the Independent National Electoral Commission; and after the registration of voters by the CENI, what about the census and identification so that the Congolese people obtain their identity card; the mid-term review of various reforms announced for a genuine public administration at the service of the citizen; what about the national equalization fund to allow the less well-off provinces to set up their grassroots development programs; the assessment of the government's diplomacy announced as acting at the sub-regional and regional level and the inventory of embassies and diplomatic missions around the world; the concrete measures taken by the government to fight against corruption and economic crimes which are still rampant in our country.

The National Assembly had invested, on April 26, 2021, the government led by Prime Minister Sama Lukonde.

On occasion, Sama Lukonde seduced the national representation with a government program based on 5 pillars with more than 60 priorities.

The diversification of the economy, securing the country, the fight against corruption and poverty are among the priorities.

mediacongo

As you say in your post Frank

“More than two years after the investiture of this government…. people continue to challenge us on the various promises contained in the government program"

I think it’s fine to keep it in the news that the sale of $150 million worth of shares by Cominiere to Zijin for $33 million was illegal and fraudulent.

We can continue to reinforce the facts by the IGF Report and CKK lying as well as that Cominiere and Zijin have not contributed a cent to the project.

Followed up again by the fact the Chinese embassy dismissed the IGF Report and the DRC government appears to be allowing the illegal transaction to go ahead after AVZ has spent 7 years and millions of dollars on the project.

As far as the corrupt officials involved, I’m certain they go right to the top of the government but I think that’s a whole different campaign. One thing was obvious, it got their attention when the twitter campaign kicked off.

I know who the person sending out the message to back off the govt on Twitter is but also been asked to keep it confidential, my suggestion is that person (and Jens) are going to have provide some additional reasons or details or their requests will fall on deaf ears.

I’m starting to get brain fatigue from months of codeine and being stuck on tse so don’t even know what I just typed in but I just read @Sammael and @obe wan posts and loved them

 

[TDITD]

Ye look I’m totally over these wankers too don’t get me wrong about that ; shareholders have gone through the mills ; last 8 months in particular have been consumed with constant social media screen watching; as opposed to giving and spending time to things that really matter in life.

I think some of your last paragraph presses the point -

“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

“Greed , corruption and stupidity “ - 100% ; this has been absolute mind boggling ; I can’t get my head around some of the antics of sheer stupidity that have gone on and all stemming from the greed and corruption pot ; it’s like these people do one thing which is totally incomprehensible to us ; totally stand out nuts and no repercussions…. It’s like it’s just the norm ,get on with it ; it’s corruption, it’s just the done thing , don’t think about it ! Wanna cup of tea and a biscuit ?

‘Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing’ -

Again yes totally agree ; zijin are a huge problem and the Congolese who feed and get fed from entities like Zijin are a massive parasitic issue ; these combined suck the lifeblood out of everything and it’s extremely difficult to alter this, as this root grows and spreads right out over time feeding more with $ and a sense of importance ; very difficult to control once it spreads and further takes root … a little Chinese money goes a long way and provides between return when dishes out in the DRC

*Give them hell, who cares at this point

*They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway

*Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing,

The 3 points above is where we are at ; posters in general don’t have a clue what’s happening ; frustrated at locked up capital and thoughts as to how failure will likely alter lifestyle moving forward ; lack of information is extremely frustrating ; all the above just cuts on the nerve .

Those 3 points just show that some have come to a point and basically written it off, even though they have zero information , as to what’s evolving on the other side ; what management are up to ; who they are speaking to …. So we (shareholders) know nothing ( recent ann about why we don’t comply with listing rule 3.1, basically tells us why we don’t know ) , but it’s hard to stay still and say nothing , but it’s not in shareholders control . So why do we assume blindly that we’ll just take this course of action at any particular time and Start lambasting ministers etc …. I think a great effort has been done in the lead up to where we are now by some on Twitter in calling some DRC / Chinese crooks out … but I’ve a feeling that Cominiere and co are on a final desperate retarded death roll

It’s proving up imo that most of this is being politically balanced at this point ; slow arduous work but imo in progress ; if there was no political swells and we we’re walking this same path 4 months ago ; I very much doubt that we’d be still here ; I reckon AVZ would be already in DRC to the ICC mode.

There’s been a few posters in the past in here and indeed on Twitter with wink winks , but as we know zero has come to fruition … I’m pretty sure that these posters were pretty bang on with … let’s say ‘the feelings’ which were resonating by those that’s some would expect to know more ; but for one reason or other all these posters and sources were equally disappointed when thing passed by; seems that a lot of the apparent reasons when postmortem results were enquires about that it was to do with political tripwires and ‘enter at your own risk’ signs which had popped up and or certain channels had seemed to have grown tumours since last speak, as those ‘distractors’ seemed to borrow deeper in order to try and protect their easy money easily lifestyle channels which before has just seemed natural….. of course those winkers no longer wink here ; they either just observe or keep it to themselves rather bring on a stoning or heckling like something out if the life of Brian

Anyway there’s been a couple of things especially out of the Cominiere side which of course runs on to Zijin as of late which would suggest some desperation is also seeping in there . For those who think management are not pressing in on it full bore , I reckon you couldn’t be much further from the truth ; in the past particularly during my hotcrapper posting days I’ve been pretty critical of management ; but over the last 6 months I have gained great respect for them and how they are now navigating this; it’s been a road of an unbelievable amount of hurdles and bloody stressful for all ; this has not been made easy particularly with FTs re-elections coming up as he’s not been able to put a guys to anyone’s head so to say and forget about political repercussions …. But my feeling is that management are now on the hinge point of flipping that boulder and this with the backing of a hamstrung but mostly functional DRC government which are gaining momentum whilst keeping their reelection ship above water


“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”

Imo the above would probably be welcomed by cominiere , Zijin and Co ; back the DRC government into a corner ; drag this whole thing right out etc

Management are doing what they are being paid to do and fwiw ; I reckon NF has earned his keep over the last 12 months …. Obviously not a lover as to how all this thing spilled out on the ground ; but hat off to NF in how he’s been dealing with it ; he’s been away from family and out of country far far more than he’s been here over the last 10 months.

If whispers are coming out from particular individuals asking if we can smooth it down a bit on social media … and I’m frustrated beyond words … then maybe just a little longer isn’t such a bad idea … ye I know 12 months is a long bloody time

apologies for all fat finger errors , grammer etc, twas an iphone post

 

[TDITD]

Yes, yes. You are angry, I am angry… we are all angry.

But, do SH’s really think it would be wise to sling mud at FT when the decision lies with him and those close to him?

Until the decision has been made, try and be precise with your anger. When we clearly don’t know what is going on behind closed doors, don’t speculate and leave us other (sh) open to criticism and give detractors ammo to influence such a critical decision for us.

RDC, along with many developing countries are fiercely patriotic. Don’t turn this into a “neo colonists vs us (RDC)” thing by insulting the head of state.

Secondly, hierarchies are much more apparent than in Australia. We love to sling shit upwards. They have much more respect.

If you keep fighting against the reality of the situation, regardless of whether you like it or not, you’ll do your head in. Be better. Act smarter.

Well I suppose you are a Guru

 

[TheCount]

Looks like the message has sunk in - Twitter is very quiet this morning.
TC.

 

[David Krappenschitz]

Looks like the message has sunk in - Twitter is very quiet this morning.
TC.

Except that there’s a troll on the bird who’s clearly read the stuff here and decided to ramp up the attacks

 

[wombat74]

How much longer are the MoM / President willing to let this play out is the big question ? At some point they have to make a call . To let it drag on makes them look redundant and ineffective and is not in the country's best interest . It's a matter of Urgency . It's holding up the Nation's progress . They want to make Batteries FFS . So the question is not about who gets what . The important question is , when does the President/MoM say enough is enough . It's coming . I hope we are on the right side when it does .

 

[Frank]

Talk, fukkin talk, fukkin Talk, free lunch in Kong's Hotel, paid for by the people who can't afford a bag of maîs flower and another day wasted in talking. And the dignitaries get fatter, fatter, fatter. I hope they have their insulin with them.




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Talk, fukkin talk, fukkin Talk, free lunch in Kong's Hotel, paid for by the people who can't afford a bag of maîs flower and another day wasted in talking. And the dignitaries get fatter, fatter, fatter.

Food crisis in Haut-Katanga: A bag of corn goes from 10 to 45 or even 50 dollars

Things are heating up in the market for basic necessities. Prices are rising, the housewife's basket has been abused.

A 25 kg bag of maize flour that sold for 10 dollars or 22,000 Congolese francs is currently trading at 100,000 or even 115,000 Congolese francs in Lubumbashi, province of Haut-Katanga.

The causes are multiple according to specialists, but the situation is linked to the refusal of the Zambian authorities to import maize to the DRC.

This has led to the scarcity of the product on the market.

Sources report the complexity of the problem with the absence of a food self-sufficiency policy.

Katanga suffers from this lamentable state of affairs.

Corn is becoming increasingly rare in this part of the country.

But on the spot, is the National Service.

Several specialists question the merits of the National Service at a time when Haut-Katanga is facing a food shortage that is difficult to understand.

Also, there is reason to wonder about the efforts of the provincial government to solve the equation.

Governor Kyabula Katwe, who has recently become a specialist in lamentations and too political, has his work cut out for him.

Obviously, reports a source from Actu7.cd based in Lubumbashi, "the provincial authority is more incapable of managing its entity, which is now a breeding ground for insecurity".

It must be said that the echoes in the province of Haut-Katanga are not at all consumable. We kill every day.

So, in addition to famine, Jacques Kyabula must be quite capable of managing issues as serious as famine and insecurity.

Need we remind you that in addition to its minerals, Haut Katanga was the breadbasket of the Republic.

Where did this wealth go? It is up to Katangese politicians to respond.

mediacongo

 

[obe wan]

I remain keen to go hard at Z on the bird. No one could argue with that, right?

go for your hearts content id say, Zijin are just a bunch of cants and i think everyone would agree with that

 

[The Fox]

How much longer are the MoM / President willing to let this play out is the big question ? At some point they have to make a call . To let it drag on makes them look redundant and ineffective and is not in the country's best interest . It's a matter of Urgency . It's holding up the Nation's progress . They want to make Batteries FFS . So the question is not about who gets what . The important question is , when does the President/MoM say enough is enough . It's coming . I hope we are on the right side when it does .

Could it be the DRC Gov need to wait on the MMSC outcome to ensure when they cut up the Manono pie, it is done once and only once? Would the Gov not want to make 100% they hold the percentage they want and no surprises? All other ICC cases on equity are between AVZ, Zijin and Dathomir, so IMO once ICC ruling is out on MMSC then there should be no reason a final deal can be cut with AVZ. Anything around 80% AVZ and 20% DRC Gov would be a good outcome.

However the reverse may apply to AVZ after agreement struck with Gov, how much of the equity AVZ hold in Dathcom could be at risk from Zijin and Dathcom? One would think very small risk of loosing anything on the Zijin and Dathomir fronts, in fact there should be damages awarded to AVZ IMO, but we are not there yet.

 

[wombat74]

Could it be the DRC Gov need to wait on the MMSC outcome to ensure when they cut up the Manono pie, it is done once and only once? Would the Gov not want to make 100% they hold the percentage they want and no surprises? All other ICC cases on equity are between AVZ, Zijin and Dathomir, so IMO once ICC ruling is out on MMSC then there should be no reason a final deal can be cut with AVZ. Anything around 80% AVZ and 20% DRC Gov would be a good outcome.

However the reverse may apply to AVZ after agreement struck with Gov, how much of the equity AVZ hold in Dathcom could be at risk from Zijin and Dathcom? One would think very small risk of loosing anything on the Zijin and Dathomir fronts, in fact there should be damages awarded to AVZ IMO, but we are not there yet.

Agree . So if MoM/ President are serious about getting the Manono Project started then a final decision must be close . It cannot drag on .

 

[ptlas]

How much longer are the MoM / President willing to let this play out is the big question ? At some point they have to make a call . To let it drag on makes them look redundant and ineffective and is not in the country's best interest . It's a matter of Urgency . It's holding up the Nation's progress . They want to make Batteries FFS . So the question is not about who gets what . The important question is , when does the President/MoM say enough is enough . It's coming . I hope we are on the right side when it does .

When it benefits them the most.

Much closer to the election?

 

[cruiser51]

go for your hearts content id say, Zijin are just a bunch of cants and i think everyone would agree with that

You better give your spell checker a reboot.

 

[Misfits]

Could it be the DRC Gov need to wait on the MMSC outcome to ensure when they cut up the Manono pie, it is done once and only once? Would the Gov not want to make 100% they hold the percentage they want and no surprises? All other ICC cases on equity are between AVZ, Zijin and Dathomir, so IMO once ICC ruling is out on MMSC then there should be no reason a final deal can be cut with AVZ. Anything around 80% AVZ and 20% DRC Gov would be a good outcome.

However the reverse may apply to AVZ after agreement struck with Gov, how much of the equity AVZ hold in Dathcom could be at risk from Zijin and Dathcom? One would think very small risk of loosing anything on the Zijin and Dathomir fronts, in fact there should be damages awarded to AVZ IMO, but we are not there yet.

Fox/anyone know when this decision on MMSC needs to be decided?

 

[M.Bison]

One has to wonder about the opportunity cost of letting this get dragged through the courts endlessly. We can assume that some entity, be that a competing mining company, or the DRC gov itself wants their hands on a bigger slice of this. Surely a serious investor would just launch a takeover offer, as opposed to risking a multiple year court case.

 

[Dazmac66]

When it benefits them the most.

Much closer to the election?

Agree with you on this - we are a very expensive pawn (in terms of opportunity cost) in in an election campaign, not only in direct votes for the big ticket effect of the ML but also in protecting the corrupt elements that attract votes. Could be a major shakeup if and when the government is voted in for another term.

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

Look everyone is angry as fuck but I tend to agree with what's being said about keeping it respectful with DRC ministers.

Yes it SHOULD mean nothing, words on twitter! It is utterly pathetic that words on twitter might govern Policy in the DRC.

But it IS the DRC, they're entrenched in deep corruption, there's multiple factions all wanting more power and money.
They're extremerly sensitive, they're NOT sophisticated in the way the west has been for a long time now.

I expect laws to be followed too, but that's just not really how things happen.
It's fucked as fucked can be!

But what if we really are causing setbacks by calling them all a pack of lying corrupt cunts?

I think CKK is fair game, and Zijin too.

And when it comes to ministers, you can still state that the IGF finds the MoP acted unlawfully.
You can still do it respectfully.
Even the Congolese are shaking their heads at us, saying we don't understand DRC.

Azzler: "But what if we really are causing setbacks by calling them all a pack of lying corrupt cunts?
I think CKK is fair game, and Zijin too.
And when it comes to ministers, you can still state that the IGF finds the MoP acted unlawfully. You can still do it respectfully.
Even the Congolese are shaking their heads at us, saying we don't understand DRC."

Been busy, catching up on posts here & on SM. I may be wrong, but I agree with where I've quoted Azzler above. Nige & BoD are all in, calling CKK & Zijin's bluff, to the ICC. US is increasing influence in DRC Battery Council. Better we don't piss off DRC Govt and officials. IMO. Br, Sparrowhawk.