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Flight996

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Nige eluded to this in the Brisbane road show

- that he expected an initial drop to SP due to ASX 200 funds exiting
- then followed by SP recovery with the coming news/milestones that they expect to release after ML

I’ll be loading up on any major SP weakness

There’s another Lithium stock on the ASX without any resource define that’s MC is almost the same as AVZs

Crazy times
If you are talking about PMT, which BTW is currently up another 15% today, according to Commsec its MC is $165.2m versus AVZ $2.75b.
I understand there are approximately 20m outstanding options and warrants, including 750,000 at CD$12.50 expiring in 2026. It's kinda difficult getting an exact MC because of the dual listing arrangement.

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If you are talking about PMT, which BTW is currently up another 15% today, according to Commsec its MC is $165.2m versus AVZ $2.75b.
Commsec's MC takes into account all outstanding shares and options.

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F
Oh dear, plz read their company presentation on 13/1 - asx announcement

I thought you would have worked it by now
 
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Oh dear, plz read their company presentation on 13/1 - asx announcement

I thought you would have worked it by now
Thanks Li-Auspol
Page 17 of PMT's company presentation dated 13 Jan 2023:
Fully diluted market cap = CD$600m, and close to 25% of AVZ's $AU2.7b MC.

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Not sure it will head straight for the dollar mark ; there's something like 138m that need to be sold ETF / index funds ...theres more than that in shorts at around 145m that will be in the market for those ETF / Index shares, but i reckon there will likely also be over 100m or more that will be sold as people will just want cash out for a multitude of reasons.

Canaccord whom sold on ML / decree ann, I'd imagine would be keen to get back on board at the lower price considering they made a motsa on sales prior to suspension ; so they'll be absorbing I reckon....after the dust settles and ML license in hand, id imagine that it should start to climb back north
Definitely going to be some selling due to many wanting/needing to access their cash.
The BOD said at the shitshow that they are aware of the situation and lining up the announcements so to speak, they will need too.
With lithium going strong and remaining strong we are with any luck in the 'rising tide lifts all boats' scenario and the drop isn't too bad.

I'm interested to see those announcements out and watch how long it takes for AVZ to start moving up again. There is a nagging part of me that is expecting the market to have lost faith in the BOD and DRC and in that case price would then stagnate and only really start to move a few months out from first concentrate produced.🤔

Certainly hope not, what's others opinions on this when we open back up?
 
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Thanks Li-Auspol
Page 17 of PMT's company presentation dated 13 Jan 2023:
Fully diluted market cap = CD$600m, and close to 25% of AVZ's $AU2.7b MC.

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Its 1 to 10 isn't it?
so your 165m is actually 1.65B, remember this is very early stage too. Im in with a little @60c. Waiting now for the mining cycle to do what its done to AVZ to PMT then I'm in like a DRC politician whose been offered a bag full of snacks
 
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Li-AusPol

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Thanks Li-Auspol
Page 17 of PMT's company presentation dated 13 Jan 2023:
Fully diluted market cap = CD$600m, and close to 25% of AVZ's $AU2.7b MC.

F, what happened to your $165 million fully diluted MC?????

Fyi todays SP hit $1.68 at its high

PMT is 10-1 to PMET Canadian listing

So….. 1.68 x 10 = 16.8

Then x by 1.07 (AUD to CAD) conversion

You get 17.98 CAD equivalent MC at this price is 1.9 billion AUD (AVZ is only 2.7billion AUD)

CAD PMET SP is lagging miles behind ASX PMT
It’s $12.40 CAD with MC of 1.31 billion - plz refer to photo of MC in attachment

That’s over 1100% higher than the MC you think it is at $165 million

Crazy you didn’t know

Sorry to everyone that this is cross promoting - just wanted to help F out with his incorrect MC beliefs
 

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Flight996

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Its 1 to 10 isn't it?
so your 165m is actually 1.65B, remember this is very early stage too. Im in with a little @60c. Waiting now for the mining cycle to do what its done to AVZ to PMT then I'm in like a DRC politician whose been offered a bag full of snacks

60c is great buying TDITD.

I would have thought its MC is MC, which takes into account all shares, options and CDIs (ie $CD600m is its enterprise value). I have not previously dipped my toes into dual listings, so I have a bit to learn.

Cheers
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F, what happened to your $165 million fully diluted MC?????

Fyi todays SP hit $1.68 at its high

PMT is 10-1 to PMET Canadian listing

So….. 1.68 x 10 = 16.8

Then x by 1.07 (AUD to CAD) conversion

You get 17.98 CAD equivalent MC at this price is 1.9 billion AUD (AVZ is only 2.7billion AUD)

CAD PMET SP is lagging miles behind ASX PMT
It’s $12.40 CAD with MC of 1.31 billion - plz refer to photo of MC in attachment

That’s over 1100% higher than the MC you think it is at $165 million

Crazy you didn’t know

Sorry to everyone that this is cross promoting - just wanted to help F out with his incorrect MC beliefs


To the left, to the left

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F, what happened to your $165 million fully diluted MC?????

Fyi todays SP hit $1.68 at its high

PMT is 10-1 to PMET Canadian listing

So….. 1.68 x 10 = 16.8

Then x by 1.07 (AUD to CAD) conversion

You get 17.98 CAD equivalent MC at this price is 1.9 billion AUD (AVZ is only 2.7billion AUD)

CAD PMET SP is lagging miles behind ASX PMT
It’s $12.40 CAD with MC of 1.31 billion - plz refer to photo of MC in attachment

That’s over 1100% higher than the MC you think it is at $165 million

Crazy you didn’t know

Sorry to everyone that this is cross promoting - just wanted to help F out with his incorrect MC beliefs
Easy there tiger.
 
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Pretty much sums up the avg AVZ Investor.


Shine Head Their Doesn’t The Where Shoved Sun


Make a sentence from the above. Sums up a lot of folk.

GOD HELP EM
Guys it only takes 2 paid members to report this fuckwits posts and get them removed.

Enough reports he’s gone for good.
 
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Guys it only takes 2 paid members to report this fuckwits posts and get them removed.

Enough reports he’s gone for good.
I'm lucky, I can't see the fukwit and prefer it that way, he seems to be a close relation of the fukwit on HC.
Some mothers have um and can keep um, fuk um.
 
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Definitely going to be some selling due to many wanting/needing to access their cash.
The BOD said at the shitshow that they are aware of the situation and lining up the announcements so to speak, they will need too.
With lithium going strong and remaining strong we are with any luck in the 'rising tide lifts all boats' scenario and the drop isn't too bad.

I'm interested to see those announcements out and watch how long it takes for AVZ to start moving up again. There is a nagging part of me that is expecting the market to have lost faith in the BOD and DRC and in that case price would then stagnate and only really start to move a few months out from first concentrate produced.🤔

Certainly hope not, what's others opinions on this when we open back up?
Yes I think there's a lot, that prior to suspension who wouldn't touch AVZ with a barge pole, until ML was in hand and their decision in that has been bang on the money; can't argue with that. I think AVZ LTs were quite ballsy...some would say stupid, holding through the whole process right up to decree; although many fence sitters were biting their lips when AVZ was rocketing, thinking that maybe they’d fucked up and should have just jumped on....no doubt they’re still laughing now.

ML was / is the big hinge point for AVZ ; I think once that's over the line, announced and trading resumes the volume will be huge with some large whipsawing ; there's going to be a couple hundred million forced sales over the first week; index funds ETF do not have to simply push the sell button on opening ; they’ll exit in a controlled manner.

First up will be retail I reckon, retail expects it to drop like a stone, so many will be thinking, quickest to the botton and sell first, get the highest price before it dives ; this will be a mix of selling in order to quence their dried up accounts /paying ATO / just get my cash out if this thing etc and also those thinking to offload and get back in lower ; some of the smaller volume funds will also likely just offload here if possible and move out ; but here also waits buyers who see value in a significantly derisked AVZ with it's ML, along with these will be shorts conscious of the short volume (146m), although I reckon a decent chunk of these will be sold on cross trades pre arranged with funds index/etfs ; the balance of index funds I reckon will be slower as they’ll wait for the initial shock to pass and then start to offload into those non index tied funds (canacord etc) , traders, re entrant and new entrants (whom thought they’s missed out prior to suspension) start to move in.

We’ve seen the LIT sector welcome a few new explorers who have knocked out some decent results of late creating some great gains ; so I reckon some punters will be happy enough to play on those explorers in less risk jurisdictions and not bother with the likes of AVZ; however some of these have already exceeded or close to AVZs MC with a fraction of a resource ; I reckon AVZ will pull back sharply to early 50s / MC sub $2b ; from which point a few lightbulbs will pop as the seriously good value / easy money sign goes up and demand begins to outweigh supply, shorts run to cover before the tide comes back in. I expect down to early 50s, back up into the 80s within a couple of weeks

It's been interesting seeing the yanks, Saudi's, japs and co visiting DRC and talks around this battery hub swirling......but still one big chunk seems to be missing from public discussions I.e. Manono. If after ML is granted and news follows of this battery hub with inputs from US/ UAE / JAP / CHINA, well then I see this blow past ATHs pretty quickly ; irregardless of this I also think that we’ll hit a second Chinese wave, but this time with some angled TO bid ; I reckon the Chinese wanted to scupper AVZ just before ML, ML grant would likely have been the point where others would have thought risk has abated with award and possible offers for the company would be made; the Chinese likely tried to run AVZ aground just after decree and have avz to themselves and try wear them down, make a cheap bid, failing that continue to grind down.

Should FT do the right thing and give notification to CAMi to release the ML and stop the Chinese through zijin / cami / ajn in their tracks I think some substantial events will take place over the following few weeks which should have us doing a 180 on sentiment ; I doubt we’ll ever forget the suspension in any case

Apparently any bid would need to be over $4.5B US which is just shy of $2 AUD as it stands to even get the BoD to start to consider. So Zijin and co ; that's the real first step


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Yes I think there's a lot, that prior to suspension who wouldn't touch AVZ with a barge pole, until ML was in hand and their decision in that has been bang on the money; can't argue with that. I think AVZ LTs were quite ballsy...some would say stupid, holding through the whole process right up to decree; although many fence sitters were biting their lips when AVZ was rocketing, thinking that maybe they’d fucked up and should have just jumped on....no doubt they’re still laughing now.

ML was / is the big hinge point for AVZ ; I think once that's over the line, announced and trading resumes the volume will be huge with some large whipsawing ; there's going to be a couple hundred million forced sales over the first week; index funds ETF do not have to simply push the sell button on opening ; they’ll exit in a controlled manner.

First up will be retail I reckon, retail expects it to drop like a stone, so many will be thinking, quickest to the botton and sell first, get the highest price before it dives ; this will be a mix of selling in order to quence their dried up accounts /paying ATO / just get my cash out if this thing etc and also those thinking to offload and get back in lower ; some of the smaller volume funds will also likely just offload here if possible and move out ; but here also waits buyers who see value in a significantly derisked AVZ with it's ML, along with these will be shorts conscious of the short volume (146m), although I reckon a decent chunk of these will be sold on cross trades pre arranged with funds index/etfs ; the balance of index funds I reckon will be slower as they’ll wait for the initial shock to pass and then start to offload into those non index tied funds (canacord etc) , traders, re entrant and new entrants (whom thought they’s missed out prior to suspension) start to move in.

We’ve seen the LIT sector welcome a few new explorers who have knocked out some decent results of late creating some great gains ; so I reckon some punters will be happy enough to play on those explorers in less risk jurisdictions and not bother with the likes of AVZ; however some of these have already exceeded or close to AVZs MC with a fraction of a resource ; I reckon AVZ will pull back sharply to early 50s / MC sub $2b ; from which point a few lightbulbs will pop as the seriously good value / easy money sign goes up and demand begins to outweigh supply, shorts run to cover before the tide comes back in. I expect down to early 50s, back up into the 80s within a couple of weeks

It's been interesting seeing the yanks, Saudi's, japs and co visiting DRC and talks around this battery hub swirling......but still one big chunk seems to be missing from public discussions I.e. Manono. If after ML is granted and news follows of this battery hub with inputs from US/ UAE / JAP / CHINA, well then I see this blow past ATHs pretty quickly ; irregardless of this I also think that we’ll hit a second Chinese wave, but this time with some angled TO bid ; I reckon the Chinese wanted to scupper AVZ just before ML, ML grant would likely have been the point where others would have thought risk has abated with award and possible offers for the company would be made; the Chinese likely tried to run AVZ aground just after decree and have avz to themselves and try wear them down, make a cheap bid, failing that continue to grind down.

Should FT do the right thing and give notification to CAMi to release the ML and stop the Chinese through zijin / cami / ajn in their tracks I think some substantial events will take place over the following few weeks which should have us doing a 180 on sentiment ; I doubt we’ll ever forget the suspension in any case

Apparently any bid would need to be over $4.5B US which is just shy of $2 AUD as it stands to even get the BoD to start to consider. So Zijin and co ; that's the real first step


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Great post Obe! In past conversations (one was around 4 months ago) with Nigel I did ask the question about a TO and if the BOD would consider it. He said it would have to be $2 and above to even hold a conversation. So you are on point with the suggestion too.
 
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Great post Obe! In past conversations (one was around 4 months ago) with Nigel I did ask the question about a TO and if the BOD would consider it. He said it would have to be $2 and above to even hold a conversation. So you are on point with the suggestion too.
First I've heard that but 2.00 always seemed for me like the minimum mark the bod would accept at this stage of the project
 
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Yes I think there's a lot, that prior to suspension who wouldn't touch AVZ with a barge pole, until ML was in hand and their decision in that has been bang on the money; can't argue with that. I think AVZ LTs were quite ballsy...some would say stupid, holding through the whole process right up to decree; although many fence sitters were biting their lips when AVZ was rocketing, thinking that maybe they’d fucked up and should have just jumped on....no doubt they’re still laughing now.

ML was / is the big hinge point for AVZ ; I think once that's over the line, announced and trading resumes the volume will be huge with some large whipsawing ; there's going to be a couple hundred million forced sales over the first week; index funds ETF do not have to simply push the sell button on opening ; they’ll exit in a controlled manner.

First up will be retail I reckon, retail expects it to drop like a stone, so many will be thinking, quickest to the botton and sell first, get the highest price before it dives ; this will be a mix of selling in order to quence their dried up accounts /paying ATO / just get my cash out if this thing etc and also those thinking to offload and get back in lower ; some of the smaller volume funds will also likely just offload here if possible and move out ; but here also waits buyers who see value in a significantly derisked AVZ with it's ML, along with these will be shorts conscious of the short volume (146m), although I reckon a decent chunk of these will be sold on cross trades pre arranged with funds index/etfs ; the balance of index funds I reckon will be slower as they’ll wait for the initial shock to pass and then start to offload into those non index tied funds (canacord etc) , traders, re entrant and new entrants (whom thought they’s missed out prior to suspension) start to move in.

We’ve seen the LIT sector welcome a few new explorers who have knocked out some decent results of late creating some great gains ; so I reckon some punters will be happy enough to play on those explorers in less risk jurisdictions and not bother with the likes of AVZ; however some of these have already exceeded or close to AVZs MC with a fraction of a resource ; I reckon AVZ will pull back sharply to early 50s / MC sub $2b ; from which point a few lightbulbs will pop as the seriously good value / easy money sign goes up and demand begins to outweigh supply, shorts run to cover before the tide comes back in. I expect down to early 50s, back up into the 80s within a couple of weeks

It's been interesting seeing the yanks, Saudi's, japs and co visiting DRC and talks around this battery hub swirling......but still one big chunk seems to be missing from public discussions I.e. Manono. If after ML is granted and news follows of this battery hub with inputs from US/ UAE / JAP / CHINA, well then I see this blow past ATHs pretty quickly ; irregardless of this I also think that we’ll hit a second Chinese wave, but this time with some angled TO bid ; I reckon the Chinese wanted to scupper AVZ just before ML, ML grant would likely have been the point where others would have thought risk has abated with award and possible offers for the company would be made; the Chinese likely tried to run AVZ aground just after decree and have avz to themselves and try wear them down, make a cheap bid, failing that continue to grind down.

Should FT do the right thing and give notification to CAMi to release the ML and stop the Chinese through zijin / cami / ajn in their tracks I think some substantial events will take place over the following few weeks which should have us doing a 180 on sentiment ; I doubt we’ll ever forget the suspension in any case

Apparently any bid would need to be over $4.5B US which is just shy of $2 AUD as it stands to even get the BoD to start to consider. So Zijin and co ; that's the real first step


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I much prefer your expectations of essentially a dip then value comes into play, and we are back at 80 relatively quickly. I hope the market views this as troubles dealt with once we have the ML.

Agreed that the movements we are seeing around a group of countries planning and discussing a battery hub in the DRC can really end up being explosive news for us, potentially leading into JVs on hydroxide plants down the road, expansion, new supply deals, JV on energy, a JV on CDL. On that side of things we could really suprise.

A TO offer would want to come in within 6months of us getting the ML, the BFS, possible expansion plans, JVs for CDL, the price will become too expensive especially for the notoriously tight Chinese, even tighter than the Scottish.

These next few months are critical for AVZ. If Felix can possibly have a little rummage around his man-bag and find a pair of testicles that would be great, it's ridiculous how far this shit been allowed to go on. If things go to plan 100% see a 180 on sentiment, I suspect many of us investors are running on fumes (Sherlock Holmes would be proud). We know what we have here, many will enjoy the highs even more-so after going through the lows that have been generously provided.

A bid of $2 AUD would tempt me now because of the unknowns (fuck off Zijin), once we are motoring towards mining and have released the BFS, we have secured 15%, CATH on board, expansion talks, plans of JV for CDL, talks over a hydroxide plant.........pfffft $2 AUD will be an insult, we will likely be past that before first shipment made.

COME ON !!!
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Yes I think there's a lot, that prior to suspension who wouldn't touch AVZ with a barge pole, until ML was in hand and their decision in that has been bang on the money; can't argue with that. I think AVZ LTs were quite ballsy...some would say stupid, holding through the whole process right up to decree; although many fence sitters were biting their lips when AVZ was rocketing, thinking that maybe they’d fucked up and should have just jumped on....no doubt they’re still laughing now.

ML was / is the big hinge point for AVZ ; I think once that's over the line, announced and trading resumes the volume will be huge with some large whipsawing ; there's going to be a couple hundred million forced sales over the first week; index funds ETF do not have to simply push the sell button on opening ; they’ll exit in a controlled manner.

First up will be retail I reckon, retail expects it to drop like a stone, so many will be thinking, quickest to the botton and sell first, get the highest price before it dives ; this will be a mix of selling in order to quence their dried up accounts /paying ATO / just get my cash out if this thing etc and also those thinking to offload and get back in lower ; some of the smaller volume funds will also likely just offload here if possible and move out ; but here also waits buyers who see value in a significantly derisked AVZ with it's ML, along with these will be shorts conscious of the short volume (146m), although I reckon a decent chunk of these will be sold on cross trades pre arranged with funds index/etfs ; the balance of index funds I reckon will be slower as they’ll wait for the initial shock to pass and then start to offload into those non index tied funds (canacord etc) , traders, re entrant and new entrants (whom thought they’s missed out prior to suspension) start to move in.

We’ve seen the LIT sector welcome a few new explorers who have knocked out some decent results of late creating some great gains ; so I reckon some punters will be happy enough to play on those explorers in less risk jurisdictions and not bother with the likes of AVZ; however some of these have already exceeded or close to AVZs MC with a fraction of a resource ; I reckon AVZ will pull back sharply to early 50s / MC sub $2b ; from which point a few lightbulbs will pop as the seriously good value / easy money sign goes up and demand begins to outweigh supply, shorts run to cover before the tide comes back in. I expect down to early 50s, back up into the 80s within a couple of weeks

It's been interesting seeing the yanks, Saudi's, japs and co visiting DRC and talks around this battery hub swirling......but still one big chunk seems to be missing from public discussions I.e. Manono. If after ML is granted and news follows of this battery hub with inputs from US/ UAE / JAP / CHINA, well then I see this blow past ATHs pretty quickly ; irregardless of this I also think that we’ll hit a second Chinese wave, but this time with some angled TO bid ; I reckon the Chinese wanted to scupper AVZ just before ML, ML grant would likely have been the point where others would have thought risk has abated with award and possible offers for the company would be made; the Chinese likely tried to run AVZ aground just after decree and have avz to themselves and try wear them down, make a cheap bid, failing that continue to grind down.

Should FT do the right thing and give notification to CAMi to release the ML and stop the Chinese through zijin / cami / ajn in their tracks I think some substantial events will take place over the following few weeks which should have us doing a 180 on sentiment ; I doubt we’ll ever forget the suspension in any case

Apparently any bid would need to be over $4.5B US which is just shy of $2 AUD as it stands to even get the BoD to start to consider. So Zijin and co ; that's the real first step


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$10...$10...$10

Get with the program

Set the anchor.....$10....$10.....$10.........


10

10

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First I've heard that but 2.00 always seemed for me like the minimum mark the bod would accept at this stage of the project
Stop setting the low anchor there Carlos....;)
 
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