AVZ Discussion 2022

[TDITD]

What Felix is saying is that he wants to diversify the DRC economy so it isn't as reliant on one sector. Particularly a sector where he is having to unwind decades of corruption and lopsided deals with China. It is a wise move to concentrate on agriculture by Felix considering the global food shortages caused by disruptions to supply chains and the amount of arable land the DRC has. Sri Lanka was a wake up call to governments all around the world about the need for sensible management of their economy and self reliance. Something politicians in Australia would do well to consider especially with energy imo

Felix sees the problems in the mining industry and is working to resolve them. But there is a process that must be followed and limits to what even the President can do without becoming a dictator. Felix has fired some of his personal advisers and is about to have the ministers accused of corruption by the IGF removed from government. He has also tackled unfair contracts that have benefited China over the DRC. He didn't have to do any of this. I understand people's frustrations and we would all love to see imminent progress for AVZ. But I'm not sure what else you guys think Felix should be doing right now.

Yes well put, but I was stomping my feet good Sir.

With global food shortages already and forecast, it is a wise decision to focus on agriculture.
Sri Lanka should/would be a wake up call if politicians the world over were paying attention and not so pre-occupied funneling taxpayer money into their pockets (Australia included), all countries should at least be able to feed themselves with a robust agricultural industry and have enough critical minerals to be able to sustain or trade in unforeseen times i.e energy. This is a good move by Felix.

Australia is a baffling case, we have an abundance of gas, we have oil, we have critical minerals to the moon. We should and could be a much larger player on the world scene if our governments past and present use some foresight and planning that spans far past a four year term and of course their own interests.

I must admit I'm leaning more towards the Felix isn't delivering and hasn't delivered side of things. He has had years to move, to do something in regard to the criminals. Only recently is that happening, this is probably likely do to the fact you can only do so much when your swanning around the globe telling everyone DRC is the 'answer for new energy minerals' and 'we are open for business'

That is an absolute crime in my eyes, the one company with the biggest hard-rock deposit in the world is in his backyard, what an opportunity to get this rolling and showcase to the world 'we are open for business', why on earth did he miss this glaringly obvious chance to use Manono as his prize gem in the mineral crown of the DRC the 'answer to EV needs'.

Many of us thought this was finally happening when it was announced we were the only miner/aspiring miner to be included in the battery council of DRC, then in a presentation Serge mentioned we need the ML promptly, cue Felix the prick smirking, yes smirking while all this shit has hit the fan since then, all the while mind you he was trying out the delicacies in Europe, the Americas and the Middle East.

So with that in mind WTF Felix, you had a great opportunity to have Manono under your wing and use it to showcase DRC is open for business, 'look at how well Manono is going with an Australian company running the show'. But nah, he missed the obvious promotional gimme, he missed the rampant corruption, he missed the battery council opportunity, he missed the IGF report, Jules had to go on TV to bring it into the light along with reporters. The comatose pace which he moved on that pearl doesn't scream 'I'm against corruption'.

But yes recently there has been some movement. Some.
He has got rid of some corrupt advisors and he has recently reshuffled his own cabinet with Lukondes cabinet to follow (if he is true to his word, Loando and Kayinda will be gone, as too the agriculture minister) I have little faith in him to do all that is needed only due to his performance to date. Cominere too have had their DG and another arrested but are still playing games as we saw with the ICC case.

He also looks to be pivoting away from dependence on Chinese money, with his U.S, Middle East and Japan trips MOUs and special handshakes. Which is certainly a good strategy that will benefit the people of DRC.

Imminent progress for AVZ would have meant we would be mining in Q3. We are way, way past imminent, R.I.P imminent *died suddenly*

(Simplistic yes but you get the gist)
Felix could order progress on the ML within the week for example, he could ask for a ruling over the percentages from lawyers/IGF/MOM and then once the 'experts' have got back to him order the ruling be made by the courts, he could then finalise discussions on 15% with AVZ. He could realise that Manono could be a huge mine for his presidency and the people of not just Manono but the DRC.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Yes well put, but I was stomping my feet good Sir.

With global food shortages already and forecast, it is a wise decision to focus on agriculture.
Sri Lanka should/would be a wake up call if politicians the world over were paying attention and not so pre-occupied funneling taxpayer money into their pockets (Australia included), all countries should at least be able to feed themselves with a robust agricultural industry and have enough critical minerals to be able to sustain or trade in unforeseen times i.e energy. This is a good move by Felix.

Australia is a baffling case, we have an abundance of gas, we have oil, we have critical minerals to the moon. We should and could be a much larger player on the world scene if our governments past and present use some foresight and planning that spans far past a four year term and of course their own interests.

I must admit I'm leaning more towards the Felix isn't delivering and hasn't delivered side of things. He has had years to move, to do something in regard to the criminals. Only recently is that happening, this is probably likely do to the fact you can only do so much when your swanning around the globe telling everyone DRC is the 'answer for new energy minerals' and 'we are open for business'

That is an absolute crime in my eyes, the one company with the biggest hard-rock deposit in the world is in his backyard, what an opportunity to get this rolling and showcase to the world 'we are open for business', why on earth did he miss this glaringly obvious chance to use Manono as his prize gem in the mineral crown of the DRC the 'answer to EV needs'.

Many of us thought this was finally happening when it was announced we were the only miner/aspiring miner to be included in the battery council of DRC, then in a presentation Serge mentioned we need the ML promptly, cue Felix the prick smirking, yes smirking while all this shit has hit the fan since then, all the while mind you he was trying out the delicacies in Europe, the Americas and the Middle East.

So with that in mind WTF Felix, you had a great opportunity to have Manono under your wing and use it to showcase DRC is open for business, 'look at how well Manono is going with an Australian company running the show'. But nah, he missed the obvious promotional gimme, he missed the rampant corruption, he missed the battery council opportunity, he missed the IGF report, Jules had to go on TV to bring it into the light along with reporters. The comatose pace which he moved on that pearl doesn't scream 'I'm against corruption'.

But yes recently there has been some movement. Some.
He has got rid of some corrupt advisors and he has recently reshuffled his own cabinet with Lukondes cabinet to follow (if he is true to his word, Loando and Kayinda will be gone, as too the agriculture minister) I have little faith in him to do all that is needed only due to his performance to date. Cominere too have had their DG and another arrested but are still playing games as we saw with the ICC case.

He also looks to be pivoting away from dependence on Chinese money, with his U.S, Middle East and Japan trips MOUs and special handshakes. Which is certainly a good strategy that will benefit the people of DRC.

Imminent progress for AVZ would have meant we would be mining in Q3. We are way, way past imminent, R.I.P imminent *died suddenly*

(Simplistic yes but you get the gist)
Felix could order progress on the ML within the week for example, he could ask for a ruling over the percentages from lawyers/IGF/MOM and then once the 'experts' have got back to him order the ruling be made by the courts, he could then finalise discussions on 15% with AVZ. He could realise that Manono could be a huge mine for his presidency and the people of not just Manono but the DRC.

I agree with a lot of what you say but give Felix a bit more time. This is the action we have been asking for. Still won't guarantee progress for AVZ but the roadblocks are being removed just like Nigel said was happening at the AGM.

Yes Felix could wave his magic wand and grant us the licence now via presidential decree. But that could open AVZ up to problems about perceived favouritism down the line under a different government.

He is sending a message to the incoming ministers that corruption will not be tolerated. If the shitshow around Manono continues after this reshuffle then he will have more of a legal basis to personally intervene in the situation imo

If the change of government yields no positive outcome for AVZ and Felix still refuses to act then we will be in serious trouble. Whether through incompetence or sinister motives.

But I'm willing to give Felix the benefit of the doubt that he is serious about fighting corruption and he will do everything reasonably within his power to bring the key deposit for his battery industry plans online.

 

[BEISHA]

What Felix is saying is that he wants to diversify the DRC economy so it isn't as reliant on one sector. Particularly a sector where he is having to unwind decades of corruption and lopsided deals with China. It is a wise move to concentrate on agriculture by Felix considering the global food shortages caused by disruptions to supply chains and the amount of arable land the DRC has. Sri Lanka was a wake up call to governments all around the world about the need for sensible management of their economy and self reliance. Something politicians in Australia would do well to consider especially with energy imo

Felix sees the problems in the mining industry and is working to resolve them. But there is a process that must be followed and limits to what even the President can do without becoming a dictator. Felix has fired some of his personal advisers and is about to have the ministers accused of corruption by the IGF removed from government. He has also tackled unfair contracts that have benefited China over the DRC. He didn't have to do any of this. I understand people's frustrations and we would all love to see imminent progress for AVZ. But I'm not sure what else you guys think Felix should be doing right now.

"He didn't have to do any of this "


Yes he did and needs to do much more............thats what his mandate was when he took over the presidency in dec 2018...............


"But I'm not sure what else you guys think Felix should be doing right now ".


Act on the IGF report, get rid of the road block that is denying AVZ the ML , thus allowing AVZ to construct RD, thus allowing the " BATTERY HUB " dream, become a reality.

Great leaders make the hard calls and act....... not go on copious seminars spewing out bullshit when reality is very much the opposite.

just my opinion.

 

[Carlos Danger]

"He didn't have to do any of this "


Yes he did and needs to do much more............thats what his mandate was when he took over the presidency in dec 2018...............


"But I'm not sure what else you guys think Felix should be doing right now ".


Act on the IGF report, get rid of the road block that is denying AVZ the ML , thus allowing AVZ to construct RD, thus allowing the " BATTERY HUB " dream, become a reality.

Great leaders make the hard calls and act....... not go on copious seminars spewing out bullshit when reality is very much the opposite.

just my opinion.

Yeah a mandate he made for himself. No one told him to take that to the electorate.

He couldn't clean up corruption that happened in 2021 until after the events took place

He is acting on the IGF report and removing the roadblocks imo

 

[BEISHA]

Yeah a mandate he made for himself. No one told him to take that to the electorate.

He couldn't clean up corruption that happened in 2021 until after the events took place

He is acting on the IGF report and removing the roadblocks imo

IGF report has been sitting on his lap for 7/8 months.

RD could of been half constructed in that time frame....

RD could of been producing by the time the elections started....

FT has been in office for 4 yrs now, to be honest, i am not sure what he has actually accomplished in that time frame from the reports that i read.


"He is acting on the IGF report and removing the roadblocks imo "


Certainly hope you are right, cause time is fast running out to convince his pooor destitude community that he is worthy of another term.


imo

 

[Dijon101]

You guys are absolutely delusional to think the level of corruption that felix is dealing with can be stamped out in a couple of years. It's systematic and engrained in the culture. Investing in the DRC has always been high risk, high rewards. Make fucking peace with it, cause that's the way it is.

All you have to is look to the USA and the mafia run cities during the 70's and 80's to see how long it takes to stamp out corruption.

This shit takes time, however I do believe the DRC is moving in the right direction.

 

[Carlos Danger]

IGF report has been sitting on his lap for 7/8 months.

RD could of been half constructed in that time frame....

RD could of been producing by the time the elections started....

FT has been in office for 4 yrs now, to be honest, i am not sure what he has actually accomplished in that time frame from the reports that i read.


"He is acting on the IGF report and removing the roadblocks imo "


Certainly hope you are right, cause time is fast running out to convince his pooor destitude community that he is worthy of another term.


imo

RD would be half constructed by now if AVZ management followed the DRC mining code and didn't agree to partition the tenement imo

 

[hedrox]

 

[BEISHA]

RD would be half constructed by now if AVZ management followed the DRC mining code and didn't agree to partition the tenement imo

Fair call..............AVZ bod are certainly not blameless here, thats for sure.

 

[wombat74]

I agree with a lot of what you say but give Felix a bit more time. This is the action we have been asking for. Still won't guarantee progress for AVZ but the roadblocks are being removed just like Nigel said was happening at the AGM.

Yes Felix could wave his magic wand and grant us the licence now via presidential decree. But that could open AVZ up to problems about perceived favouritism down the line under a different government.

He is sending a message to the incoming ministers that corruption will not be tolerated. If the shitshow around Manono continues after this reshuffle then he will have more of a legal basis to personally intervene in the situation imo

If the change of government yields no positive outcome for AVZ and Felix still refuses to act then we will be in serious trouble. Whether through incompetence or sinister motives.

But I'm willing to give Felix the benefit of the doubt that he is serious about fighting corruption and he will do everything reasonably within his power to bring the key deposit for his battery industry plans online.

"I agree with a lot of what you say but give Felix a bit more time."

Do you have a time limit for this Carlos ?

 

[BEISHA]

You guys are absolutely delusional to think the level of corruption that felix is dealing with can be stamped out in a couple of years. It's systematic and engrained in the culture. Investing in the DRC has always been high risk, high rewards. Make fucking peace with it, cause that's the way it is.

All you have to is look to the USA and the mafia run cities during the 70's and 80's to see how long it takes to stamp out corruption.

This shit takes time, however I do believe the DRC is moving in the right direction.

Of course you cant eradicate engrained corruption in 2 yrs, but you need to make a start.........

FT has been in office for 4 yrs now, what has he achieved in the way of ACTION ?

Reshuffling his office in a election year..................how convenient.

 

[wombat74]

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Q : How do you know when it's the weekend ? A : Fake news goes into overdrive .

 

[Frank]

'Allo 'Allo! - Who have we here, but the corrupt, Snake in the Grass, two faced bitch herself ​

2023 elections: in Lubumbashi, Sama Lukonde calls for caution facing "the small turbulence that characterizes the electoral years

Prime Minister Sama Lukonde completed his stay in Haut-Katanga province.

The Congolese Head of Government who received two delegations on Wednesday, went there to launch the enrollment operations in prelude to the elections planned for the end of the year.

In Lubumbashi, the Prime Minister exchanged with traditional chiefs of Grand Katanga and the delegation of the Katangaise Foundation.

He received them as an audience in turn on Wednesday January 25, 2023.

The exchanges between the head of government and these hosts focused on several points, including concerning the possible small turbulence that could occur during this electoral year.

"He [the Prime Minister] told us that the perceptuals of the future are happy and we have to calm down.

We have to pay attention to the small turbulence that generally characterizes the electoral years, but that things are under control and that we must be calm, "said Filbert Kunda Milundu of the Katangaise Foundation, at the exit of the meeting with Sama Lukonde.

The Prime Minister also addressed the question of the awareness of the population in the various corners of this part of the country for a massive inscription, according to Filbert Kunda Milundu. ""

One very important thing that has been mentioned is that we are in an electoral year.

As a Katangian foundation, we are the Prime Minister's family.

So, as a family, he came to tell us to try to do our best to raise awareness of the people we represent, so that they can register massively so that our province can contribute significantly to the country through elective expression, "he said.

Chef Kaponda, who was part of the delegation of traditional chiefs of the Grand Katanga, said that at this opportunity, they congratulated Lukonde, because he said, each time he is In Lubumbashi, he still thinks of receiving customary chiefs.

Then added the customary chief, "we also thanked him because he came to be enlisted.

It is our turn to go to our villages to raise awareness of our populations in order to enlist massively for the upcoming elections.

After these audiences, it was late in the evening that the head of government Sama Lukonde returned to Kinshasa.

 

[BRICK]

Translation

Too much corruption in mining, so instead of sticking to my promises of cleaning it up, I'll just turn a blind eye while the DRC riches are stolen and focus on agriculture and digital.

I smelt it, you dealt it

 

[wombat74]

Todays meeting of ministers......no sign of the green Mamba...could be that it?

The Green Grub second from left top row . Her name is also listed down the side second from top .

 

[Frank]

What Felix is saying is that he wants to diversify the DRC economy so it isn't as reliant on one sector. Particularly a sector where he is having to unwind decades of corruption and lopsided deals with China. It is a wise move to concentrate on agriculture by Felix considering the global food shortages caused by disruptions to supply chains and the amount of arable land the DRC has. Sri Lanka was a wake up call to governments all around the world about the need for sensible management of their economy and self reliance. Something politicians in Australia would do well to consider especially with energy imo

Felix sees the problems in the mining industry and is working to resolve them. But there is a process that must be followed and limits to what even the President can do without becoming a dictator. Felix has fired some of his personal advisers and is about to have the ministers accused of corruption by the IGF removed from government. He has also tackled unfair contracts that have benefited China over the DRC. He didn't have to do any of this. I understand people's frustrations and we would all love to see imminent progress for AVZ. But I'm not sure what else you guys think Felix should be doing right now.

*Fyi, Speaking of China, IGF and the Economy, I see where,

4th regional seminar on budget transparency in sub-Saharan Africa:
Jules Alingete presents on the sell-off of mining assets in the DRC

The fourth regional seminar on budget transparency in sub-Saharan Africa ended on Friday, January 27, 2023 in Cameroon.

Delegates from several countries reflected for three days on the theme "Promoting transparency in public finances through audit control".

The Inspector General-Head of Service Jules Alingete was invited by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), to share with the participants his experience in the fight against corruption in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

At the head of a strong delegation from the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) in Yaoundé, Jules Alingete talks about mining contracts and the need to set up financial patrol in African countries.

At the opening ceremony chaired on Wednesday by Cameroon's Minister of Finance, Louis Paul Motaze, the European Union ambassador to that country maintained that "control and audit are two essential tools in the management of public finance”.

The disillusioned Congolese state

In his presentation, Jules Alingete revealed that in almost all the partnerships concluded with private parties, the State's share is less than 20% while it provides the deposits.

"People who have benefited from the mining assets of the Democratic Republic of the Congo for free, and as they know that it was a big sell-off and a fraud, they did not bring the financial means to start the exploitation.

These people simply held the securities and went to international markets to raise funds which were used for activities in other countries.

Today, almost all of the partnerships concluded with private parties consist of less than 20% of the shares for the Congolese State, while it is the Congolese State which provides the bulk, namely the deposits", a- he castigated.

He continued that this 20% was reduced by the boards of certain joins.

“The next element is the permanent reduction of the state's share in the capitals of incorporated companies.

In addition to the fact that the State did not have significant shares despite the fact that it provides the most significant means, it was noted that each time, we were in the process of making boards of directors to take decisions which are likely to reduce State participation.

On this day, we have joint ventures where the state's participation has fallen from 20 to 5%,” said Jules Alingete.

The boss of the IGF cited among other examples, TFM and Sicomines.

"The particular case that we could mention here is the case of the company TFM, which was initially an American company, which was subsequently sold to the Chinese, which has very large deposits but whose Congolese State does not today has only 20% of the shares in the share capital.

We also have the case of Sicomines, which is a contract with Chinese companies which consisted in the Congolese State being able to sell mines in return for infrastructure, “he illustrated.


Transport: DRC, Zambia and Angola sign an agreement for the facilitation of the Lobito Corridor

The Ministers of Transport of Zambia, Angola and the DRC signed, Friday, January 27, 2023, the tripartite agreement for the facilitation of the Lobito Corridor.

This signing ceremony between these three personalities took place in the province of Benguela, Angola.

The signing of this agreement is part of the objective of facilitating the development of the Lobito Corridor, a question of developing this sector.

By this act, the three countries, through their respective governments, aim to improve their economies, allowing the promotion of initiatives that take advantage and benefit the populations in general, in particular those covered by the Lobito Corridor and offering a more effective and efficient between Angola, DRC and Zambia or by land or by sea.

The Lobito Corridor extends from the port of Lobito located on the Atlantic Ocean and crosses Angola from west to east through the provinces of Benguela, Huambo, and Moxico.

It covers the mining areas of Katanga province in the DRC and the Copperbelt in Zambia.

The signing of the Corridor Governance Instrument will create a framework for the three SADC Member States to jointly develop harmonized corridor laws, policies, regulations and systems and will foster infrastructure development, in a coordinated and consistent with SADC treaty, protocols and development frameworks.

 

[Winenut]

Because Nige and the crew are working so incredibly hard for the benefit of shareholders I've taken it upon myself to assist the team by writing up the pending ASX announcement for them

Wanted to be pro-active and helpful and not just be seen as whinging or complaining about the current situation

 

[tonster66]

I

digital? Much of the population dont have electricity ffs!!!
AVZ was going to solve that issue for one province……

Call Centres?

 

[TDITD]

I agree with a lot of what you say but give Felix a bit more time. This is the action we have been asking for. Still won't guarantee progress for AVZ but the roadblocks are being removed just like Nigel said was happening at the AGM.

Yes Felix could wave his magic wand and grant us the licence now via presidential decree. But that could open AVZ up to problems about perceived favouritism down the line under a different government.

He is sending a message to the incoming ministers that corruption will not be tolerated. If the shitshow around Manono continues after this reshuffle then he will have more of a legal basis to personally intervene in the situation imo

If the change of government yields no positive outcome for AVZ and Felix still refuses to act then we will be in serious trouble. Whether through incompetence or sinister motives.

But I'm willing to give Felix the benefit of the doubt that he is serious about fighting corruption and he will do everything reasonably within his power to bring the key deposit for his battery industry plans online.

Time the thing both he and us are running out of.
If Felix would have treated this situation hie it should have been handled we would be well on our way to mining if not already, a huge dropped ball imo.

To add to that his movement on the IGF report is shockingly slow, how on earth is Kayinda still walking free. I have no faith he realises or understands the positives this mine will bring him and his country.

Agreed if the Change that's coming doesn't help we are in trouble and should probably try start an auction on it. Unfortunately the position each and everyone of us is in like it or not, we have no choice but to wait/give him time. The same goes for our board.

Hopefully the changes are made, the block is cleared and we can make meaningful progress towards mining

 

[rocknrolla]

In the absence of any real news we’ve turned into a sims of what Felix should and shouldn’t do.
SIMS
Corruption in the Congo release

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