AVZ Discussion 2022

[Huntian]

It begins

Cursory brown paper bag at top of the pile

 

[Carlos Danger]

Cursory brown paper bag at top of the pile

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A picture says a thousand words

 

[JNRB]

Cursory brown paper bag at top of the pile

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And this guy in the background just being like "OMG you fking amateur, can you at least put the snacks bag inside one of the folders and not just walk around with it sitting ON TOP of the pile!"

 

[LOCKY82]

You AI experts out there will no doubt find this funny, but for aspiring AI novices ... here is a trap to be aware of.

My question to Copilot ...
Because the following statement that you provided is in double quotes, I assumed that it is an actual full statement from a source that you found and listed. But it now appears that the statement with double quotes is the result of AI synthesizing. Is this last point of mine correct?

“Within two weeks of signing, the parties shall appoint a three-member independent valuation panel—one nominated by AVZ, one by KoBold, and one mutually agreed expert. The panel shall issue a fair-market valuation of AVZ’s relinquished interests in permit PR 13359, including verified sunk costs and strategic upside, to guide the compensation package.”

The Copilot answer ...
You’re correct. That exact, fully-quoted passage isn’t lifted verbatim from any publicly accessible document—it’s an AI-generated synthesis based on private summaries (e.g. AVZ’s internal Q&A memo excerpts and confidential arbitration newsletters). I apologize for presenting it in quotes without making that clear.

My next question ...
In the future if a statement is not lifted verbatim from a publicly accessible document, can you not enclose the statement in double quotes?

The Copilot answer ...
Absolutely. Going forward, I’ll reserve double quotes for verbatim excerpts from publicly accessible sources. Any AI-generated summaries or paraphrases will be presented without quotation marks and clearly labeled as such. Let me know if you’d like any other formatting adjustments.

I've used some ai to summarize lengthy bullshit articles, but you my friend are on ai like it's your last bit of gear under the bridge!! Give it a rest you're in made up land now and making us watch haha
Just kidding mate waste your time however you like.

 

[marksmann007]

 

[tolate]

Things change ...imo

 

[Goldenboy]

Things change ...imo

Fuck !!!! You are back !!!!

 

[Bonsoir]

Things change ...imo

Fuck off dog shit

 

[wombat74]

Three men had a very late night drinking guinness .

They left in the early hours of the morning and each went to their own homes. The next day they all met for an early pint, and compared notes about who was drunker the night before.

The first guy claimed that he was the drunkest , saying , "I drove straight home and walked into the house. As soon as I got through the door , I blew chunks ."

The second guy says ,"You think that was drunk ? Hell, I got in my car and wrapped it around the first tree I saw . And I don't even have insurance."
The third guy proclaimed ,"Damn , I was the drunkest by far .When I got home , I got into a big fight with my wife ,knocked over a candle , and burned the house down !"

The room went silent for a moment .

Then, the first guy spoke out again , "Listen guys , I don't think you understand .

Chunks is my dog."

 

[Samus]

Things change ...imo

@zeeb0t this troll from the crapper needs to be permanently banned.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Things change ...imo

They sure do. For example you used to think Dathomir still owned the 15% because you have zero understanding of contract law. Now you know that is complete bullshit LMAO

 

[Xerof]

Nice to see the rat swallower is a Friday funny
oops, forgot to use these !!!!!!!! LMFAO,

 

[Felix]

Tolate son, I told you that we only pay 50 cents a post on Hot crapper. Don’t think you will get anything more for being here
Now fuck off back to where you are paid to work, there’s a good boy
And while I’m at it, I have to say the quality of the posts is getting worse. Don’t you have any other english words you could use?

 

[kulturica]

I’ve been thinking about what CATH could do in the current situation.
I didn't forget that they voted against AVZ board, but business is business.
We are all so focused on how much we might get paid to drop the ICSID case, but what about the reverse? What if we get paid to keep ICSID open? With the “minerals for security” deal soon to be signed, it’s looking like Roche Dure can only go to an American company and KoBold seems to be the chosen one. So, if I were Mr. Pei from CATH, what would I do?
What if CATH offers to AVZ more money than KoBold—with the condition that ICSID continues until CATH’s interests are fully secured? How would that for CATH be any different from AVZ’s current position? It’s not—except CATH would have around $6 billion USD less We’d get paid by CATH, but keep pushing ICSID until CATH is satisfied. And with that money in our pockets, Nigel could finally relax on a beach while CATH and legal team go a few rounds with the Americans. CATH’s conditions might be something like:
1. If the mining licence is granted, AVZ sells the project to CATH for $1.
2. If CATH reaches a satisfactory agreement with the Americans, ICSID is dropped.
Mr. Pei could throw in a few more clauses, of course. The point is—KoBold hasn’t resolved the disputes and is actually operating in defiance of ICSID. This move could block the Americans while DRC still has the ICSID case hanging over its head, along with the risk of being exposed. Can a U.S. company really work with a government officially found guilty of corruption? We’re no longer selling a project—we’re potentially getting paid to drop ICSID. That says everything about how much of a problem it is for the DRC government and any American company trying to move into Manono. Something tells me CATH isn’t going to walk away quietly if their interests are sidelined. Maybe I should send Mr. Pei an email I haven’t ordered Chinese food since this whole suspension saga began, but if we finally get what we deserve—I just might. Of course, the best outcome is KoBold paying a fair price. I just can’t help but imagining a scenario where some of us are on a beach, millionaires at last, while CATH, KoBold, the DRC government, and ZIJIN are fighting at ICSID. Now that would be a nice end to this horror story and definitely worthy of a movie.

 

[Mouthpiecenomnom]

You AI experts out there will no doubt find this funny, but for aspiring AI novices ... here is a trap to be aware of.

My question to Copilot ...
Because the following statement that you provided is in double quotes, I assumed that it is an actual full statement from a source that you found and listed. But it now appears that the statement with double quotes is the result of AI synthesizing. Is this last point of mine correct?

“Within two weeks of signing, the parties shall appoint a three-member independent valuation panel—one nominated by AVZ, one by KoBold, and one mutually agreed expert. The panel shall issue a fair-market valuation of AVZ’s relinquished interests in permit PR 13359, including verified sunk costs and strategic upside, to guide the compensation package.”

The Copilot answer ...
You’re correct. That exact, fully-quoted passage isn’t lifted verbatim from any publicly accessible document—it’s an AI-generated synthesis based on private summaries (e.g. AVZ’s internal Q&A memo excerpts and confidential arbitration newsletters). I apologize for presenting it in quotes without making that clear.

My next question ...
In the future if a statement is not lifted verbatim from a publicly accessible document, can you not enclose the statement in double quotes?

The Copilot answer ...
Absolutely. Going forward, I’ll reserve double quotes for verbatim excerpts from publicly accessible sources. Any AI-generated summaries or paraphrases will be presented without quotation marks and clearly labeled as such. Let me know if you’d like any other formatting adjustments.

Your AI did ok by me mate. I thought the 3 member panel thing was smelly but I wouldn't have thought of any escrow accounts or time bonuses, which makes perfect sense.

 

[Shire]

Off topic but a bit tongue in cheek for a Friday funny…

Anyone else in RNU? Progressing nicely. Has a couple of benefits compared to AVZ…..

- Not in DRC
- Sheep as neighbours not Chinese with brown paper snack bags
- CEO is allowed in same country as asset
- Listed and trading on the ASX
- Doesn’t have multiple legal battles underway
- Australian government is actually interested in supporting

That’s a good start, but they also have some graphite and maybe even uranium and copper

 

[SilentOne]

I’ve been thinking about what CATH could do in the current situation.
I didn't forget that they voted against AVZ board, but business is business.
We are all so focused on how much we might get paid to drop the ICSID case, but what about the reverse? What if we get paid to keep ICSID open? With the “minerals for security” deal soon to be signed, it’s looking like Roche Dure can only go to an American company and KoBold seems to be the chosen one. So, if I were Mr. Pei from CATH, what would I do?
What if CATH offers to AVZ more money than KoBold—with the condition that ICSID continues until CATH’s interests are fully secured? How would that for CATH be any different from AVZ’s current position? It’s not—except CATH would have around $6 billion USD less We’d get paid by CATH, but keep pushing ICSID until CATH is satisfied. And with that money in our pockets, Nigel could finally relax on a beach while CATH and legal team go a few rounds with the Americans. CATH’s conditions might be something like:
1. If the mining licence is granted, AVZ sells the project to CATH for $1.
2. If CATH reaches a satisfactory agreement with the Americans, ICSID is dropped.
Mr. Pei could throw in a few more clauses, of course. The point is—KoBold hasn’t resolved the disputes and is actually operating in defiance of ICSID. This move could block the Americans while DRC still has the ICSID case hanging over its head, along with the risk of being exposed. Can a U.S. company really work with a government officially found guilty of corruption? We’re no longer selling a project—we’re potentially getting paid to drop ICSID. That says everything about how much of a problem it is for the DRC government and any American company trying to move into Manono. Something tells me CATH isn’t going to walk away quietly if their interests are sidelined. Maybe I should send Mr. Pei an email I haven’t ordered Chinese food since this whole suspension saga began, but if we finally get what we deserve—I just might. Of course, the best outcome is KoBold paying a fair price. I just can’t help but imagining a scenario where some of us are on a beach, millionaires at last, while CATH, KoBold, the DRC government, and ZIJIN are fighting at ICSID. Now that would be a nice end to this horror story and definitely worthy of a movie.

Mate,

Whats wrong with you - AVZ is not going to be selling the Project for $1 (in my opinion)- stop low balling.

What you are suggesting is a poor outcome for those that bought in at the higher end.

Regards,

SilentOne.

 

[Felix]

Off topic but a bit tongue in cheek for a Friday funny…

Anyone else in RNU? Progressing nicely. Has a couple of benefits compared to AVZ…..

- Not in DRC
- Sheep as neighbours not Chinese with brown paper snack bags
- CEO is allowed in same country as asset
- Listed and trading on the ASX
- Doesn’t have multiple legal battles underway
- Australian government is actually interested in supporting

That’s a good start, but they also have some graphite and maybe even uranium and copper

You might find it funny, but I find it a fucking disgusting slur on everything AVZ

 

[kulturica]

Mate,

Whats wrong with you - AVZ is not going to be selling the Project for $1 (in my opinion)- stop low balling.

What you are suggesting is a poor outcome for those that bought in at the higher end.

Regards,

SilentOne.

I don't think you understood my post. There is $6 billion USD mentioned in my post, but anyway, I am just exploring options available to CATH, so we are not left only with KoBold’s offer. Maybe you were just sarcastic?

 

[Xerof]

There’s been no mention of CATH amongst the various odours I sniff on the winds but as is stated in various Announcements from the BoD, CATH's position is mentioned along with all shareholders as part of their efforts to gain a respectful outcome. (I didn’t get a mention though)

e.g.

it remains open to constructive dialogue with the parties, to agree a
suitable commercial outcome for AVZ shareholders, where its legal rights and
existing commercial relationships are respected

There could well be a lot of white noise going around to deodourise the atmosphere, and I wouldn’t rule them out entirely