AVZ Discussion 2022

[Mute22]

Do we know the actual dates for this shit show yet? https://icsid.worldbank.org/cases/case-database/case-detail?CaseNo=ARB/23/20

Now we have cross 1000 days, I need a new countdown to stop me going bonkers.

 

[marksmann007]

 

[Frank]

https://x.com/AfricanMiners/status/1897578547033596341

https://x.com/OkendaPierre/status/1897351991984078989

 

[pow4ade]

Felix doesn't control Manono .Unfortunately China does . My guess is China want the USA to clean up Felix's mess , because they don't want to do it themselves . Any mineral deals done with the US will need approval from Beijing . Roche Dure is definitely not part of it . I'm looking forward to our collaboration with Cath getting over the line prior to the ICSID hearing taking place . IMO

Yes, China controls Manono...for now. However in a best case legal outcome for AVZ we would retain majority holding of the full tenement...on paper, at least.

If Trump does come in to play - the Bloomberg video report above is bullish on DRC opening up to western investment after positive US state dept interest - then anything is possible given our legal standing.

And yes, China would prefer Trump sort the M23 situation, which he could do a lot easier than with Ukraine/Russia deal. But there would be a price for China to pay lol.

Would Trump cede access and control of a shovel-ready monster like Manono to China? His current mood for resource independence and security is writ large...Ukraine, Greenland and now Taiwan.

This week he announced a $160 billion deal by Taiwan's largest semi-conductor manufacturer to commence operations in Arizona, a brilliant move.

Aside from cementing chip resource security for the US, it also robs China of a huge incentive to roll Taiwan and control global semi-conductor supply.

Interesting times.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Do we know the actual dates for this shit show yet? https://icsid.worldbank.org/cases/case-database/case-detail?CaseNo=ARB/23/20

Now we have cross 1000 days, I need a new countdown to stop me going bonkers.

Getting back to business.

The updates on ICSID last week were to set a timetable for proceedings, and then also set the emergency requests of AVZ against the DRC. Procedural order 1 is the timeline:

1. November 23, 2023: DRC submits a response to the request for provisional measures.
2. November 30, 2023: AVZ file a reply to the request for provisional measures.
3. December 11, 2023: hearing on the request for provisional measures involving all parties.

As an emergency request, and having Christmas, this should be ruled on before 24th December. I believe we have a strong case, given our win at the ICC and the ICSID chairman even mentioning the ICC win as a basis for the final 'measures' which will be heard on 11th December.

AVZ's emergency requests

• Suspend PR 13359 and PR 15775.
• Halt all mining activities by entities other than Dathcom within the mentioned permits.
• Restrain the DRC from taking any administrative actions prejudicial to the Claimants' interests.

DRC just submitted their responses to these requests, saying they are 'just another tactic to stall the project' - herp derp.

DLA will respond by the 30th and make additional claims, counter arguements against DRC etc. The arbitrator will then issue final requests to be heard o the 5th December. I don't think they will increase or decrease, the three are likely to just remain as is. TICSID tribunal will also determine the fine or penalty for breaking the injunction before the hearing.

I believe that once we have the measures in place, we can start to discuss, also because DLA will be looking to submit damages claims after securing the injunctions. Which will provide more leverage on coming to a negotiated settlement.

For the actual timeline if we need to go through with it all, it is below:

1. March 1, 2024: Claimants submit a Memorandum.
2. July 26, 2024: Production of documents and objections deadline for both parties.
3. August 9, 2024: Claimants and Respondent provide responses to objections to document production.
4. September 27, 2024: Tribunal issues a decision on document production.
5. May 5, 2025: Identification of witnesses and experts for cross-examination by both Claimants and Respondent.
6. June 2-4, 2025 (June 5 reserved): Scheduled hearing involving all parties.

We've known the actual dates for 465 days thanks to 9card

 

[Mute22]

We've known the actual dates for 465 days thanks to 9card
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Thanks, I recall seeing that but didn't save it

Only 87 days to go

 

[Retrobyte]

Understatement of the decade!

 

[Flight996]

Understatement of the decade!

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Haha...If King Felix-the-corrupt thinks the orange buffoon will commit US military resources to a basket-case country like the DRC, he's even more unhinged than we suspect. He needs to stick to his knitting, and leave the strategic planning to others.

 

[Frank]

Haha...If King Felix-the-corrupt thinks the orange buffoon will commit US military resources to a basket-case country like the DRC, he's even more unhinged than we suspect. He needs to stick to his knitting, and leave the strategic planning to others.

https://x.com/marrtoffee/status/1897643916930818221

 

[Frank]

https://x.com/DominicFurfaro/status/1897684443072176223

 

[Winenut]

General market has been struggling for quite a few weeks now

And there's more than enough going on geo-politically

I hope everyone's okay despite the challenges and getting through these difficult times

It's certainly a bit tough in general but hang in there, keep positive and things will eventually turn around

Cheers

 

[Jazz]

 

[Bonsoir]

Slimey little thieves

 

[Mute22]

Slimey little thieves

Title translation: Manono Lithium S.A.S. promotes exploitation for the benefit of the community.

At least they have the 'exploitation' part right.

 

[Mute22]

How many more, 'We're standing on a podium with a banner printed at Officeworks wearing a hard-hat so it's all legit' conferences do they need?

What are they afraid of, just start mining right?

See you fuckers in court.

 

[tonster66]

How many more, 'We're standing on a podium with a banner printed at Officeworks wearing a hard-hat so it's all legit' conferences do they need?

What are they afraid of, just start mining right?

See you fuckers in court.

They dont want to spend any money on building a plant because they know that they will lose

 

[tonster66]

 

[tonster66]

 

[tonster66]

 

[Bray]

The police do the same thing, want you to admit to doing wrong when you haven’t even, the general response to this is to tell them too… FUCK OFFF