AVZ Discussion 2022

[Scoota30]

"*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities"?

The resemblance is uncanny...

Hahaha fuck good pickup @Spikerama - they didn't even try to hide it. WOW.

 

[Spikerama]

Nah.. two completely different technologies in use on 2 websites. Tantalex is on Wordpress, MMGA is on Squarespace

TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

That doesn't matter. I could be that Tantalex built their site ages ago on WP but now squarespace is hot. Easy choice to make.

The backend is not the point. It's the overall brand feel and tone.

Go have a look at the Tantalex posters and standees at the DRC Mining week or whatever it was where CCK did a Kanye West. You can see some around from memory. I didn't tweak at the time but now that I think of it...

 

[BRICK]

Nah.. two completely different technologies in use on 2 websites. Tantalex is on Wordpress, MMGA is on Squarespace

TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

Well the MMGA clones usually just rip off every idea they come across anyway

MAGA
TANTALX WEBSITE
AVZ COMMUNICATIONS

 

[BRICK]

That doesn't matter. I could be that Tantalex built their site ages ago on WP but now squarespace is hot. Easy choice to make.

The backend is not the point. It's the overall brand feel and tone.

Go have a look at the Tantalex posters and standees at the DRC Mining week or whatever it was where CCK did a Kanye West. You can see some around from memory. I didn't tweak at the time but now that I think of it...

off to twitter we go....

 

[Gmailuser]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

Spike,

My thoughts are that what the BoDs have provided in today’s release is exactly what everyone has been crying out for over and over again, what has happened, when, how, and why, so whilst I understand your view I feel that potentially the criticism is a little harsh. It provides full detail which I am very happy to receive as a SH.

As others have pointed out it also illustrates full communication by the BoD, and the need for the current legal actions, thus putting a further nail in the coffin of the bid by the other crowd.

 

[Dave Evans]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

I always liked AVZ’s presentations. They were simple to read and looked impressive to me (who can forget the picture of Manono against all the other lithium projects) but I think from memory you weren’t a great fan of them either.

As far as our announcements, most company’s announcements are in the same format, and AVZ has had to deal with so many legal issues and corruption that their announcements appear more like a piece of legislation.

I used to have to wade through legislation myself so I find AVZ’s announcements quite easy by comparison, even if I have to read them two or three times. I guess we are lucky we have @Carlos Danger here who does a lot of the work for us

As far as the advertising, Eric Allard has had his corrupt dirty nose in Manono for a long time so no surprise if MMGA are using the same advertising agent, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Ludbrook is involved in that and making a lot of money for himself out of it. Did you notice how Allard was photographed in front of the AVZ stand (not the Tantalex stand) at the Battery Metals Forum

Unfortunately not all AVZ Announcements can look like this

 

[Spikerama]

Spike,

My thoughts are that what the BoDs have provided in today’s release is exactly what everyone has been crying out for over and over again, what has happened, when, how, and why, so whilst I understand your view I feel that potentially the criticism is a little harsh. It provides full detail which I am very happy to receive as a SH.

As others have pointed out it also illustrates full communication by the BoD, and the need for the current legal actions, thus putting a further nail in the coffin of the bid by the other crowd.

Yep totally agree with that but the fact that Dave Evans, who is across the intricate language of legal-ese has to read them 2 or 3 times to fully
understand them says a lot.

Regardless, I wasn't specifically calling out this announcement as I do understand these announcements need to be the way they are. I was merely using it as a catalyst to highlight a bugbear and indeed a chronic issue which has become clear weakness now that we have competitors.

 

[Carlos Danger]

View attachment 48578 View attachment 48579 View attachment 48580 View attachment 48581 View attachment 48582 View attachment 48583

Like I said I have zero doubt AVZ completed the SPA's correctly

What Cong is doing is extortion motivated by, as AVZ describes so perfectly, seller's remorse

However if it's a choice of ongoing suspension or just give this dipshit more cash / shares then sure management have my support to get a settlement done but AVZ are 100% correct in these matters and will absolutely fucking crush Cong at the ICC if need be

 

[Winenut]

Yep totally agree with that but the fact that Dave Evans, who is across the intricate language of legal-ese has to read them 2 or 3 times to fully
understand them says a lot.

Regardless, I wasn't specifically calling out this announcement as I do understand these announcements need to be the way they are. I was merely using it as a catalyst to highlight a bugbear and indeed a chronic issue which has become clear weakness now that we have competitors.

Apply for the AVZ PR/media job Spike.....I'll back you in!

 

[Carlos Danger]

View attachment 48578 View attachment 48579 View attachment 48580 View attachment 48581 View attachment 48582 View attachment 48583

They're not sending their best

 

[TheCount]

Like I said I have zero doubt AVZ completed the SPA's correctly

What Cong is doing is extortion motivated by, as AVZ describes so perfectly, seller's remorse

However if it's a choice of ongoing suspension or just give this dipshit more cash / shares then sure management have my support to get a settlement done but AVZ are 100% correct in these matters and will absolutely fucking crush Cong at the ICC if need be

View attachment 48590
View attachment 48591

I don't think I had the full appreciation of your earlier post (of the same graphic) until I read today's announcement. Thank you for the high level of information you keep producing.

TC.

 

[wombat74]

"AVZ has previously sought to commence settlement negotiations with Dathomir, which would have involved an increase in the purchase price payable to Dathomir for the 15% of shares in Dathcom"

So we have already been down this path . Does this suggest Dathomir /Cong are no longer interested ?

 

[Spikerama]

Apply for the AVZ PR/media job Spike.....I'll back you in!

Mate It's clear to me now, that there is no such thing. BUt I'll take the noms regardless.

Thanks!

 

[wombat74]

They're not sending their best
View attachment 48592
View attachment 48593

More stalling .

 

[Pokok]

So for so many shareholders , like myself , we read all posts and can be a little confused but does anybody think this will be resolved at the ATM so we can start trading to release all or some of our investment or do we wait til mid next year as I am thinking , would like to hear other holders thinking ?

 

[Carlos Danger]

"AVZ has previously sought to commence settlement negotiations with Dathomir, which would have involved an increase in the purchase price payable to Dathomir for the 15% of shares in Dathcom"

So we have already been down this path . Does this suggest Dathomir /Cong are no longer interested ?

Sounds like Cong won't drop the criminal complaint and admit the creation of the share certificates were valid

 

[Carlos Danger]

More stalling .

Purported stalling imo

And I was laughing at Cominiere saying AVZ hold 75% of Dathcom in their claim when they are coordinating legal actions within the DRC with Dathomir based on Dathomir still purportedly holding 15% of Dathcom. The case in question relates to the purported forgery of the share certificates confirming AVZ acquired the 15% from Dathomir.

 

[TDITD]

Yep totally agree with that but the fact that Dave Evans, who is across the intricate language of legal-ese has to read them 2 or 3 times to fully
understand them says a lot.

Regardless, I wasn't specifically calling out this announcement as I do understand these announcements need to be the way they are. I was merely using it as a catalyst to highlight a bugbear and indeed a chronic issue which has become clear weakness now that we have competitors.

I have honestly found MMGA advertising misleading, lacking substance and basically insulting.

As investors involved on socials we know they are crooks, we can't find one person that doesn't think that. I have a mate that works fulltime + OT has kids, has a 3d printing business he is working on, has other hobbies and very little spare time but called me up to tell me MMGA are crooks. (Cavet, that everyone should be informed as it's their investment, it is not difficult to ascertain MMGAs agenda after allowing for a measly hour online researching one night per week)

Certainly though, I definitely agree it would have been quite beneficial to have a slick PR/Advertising team on the job with AVZ. I don't think anyone could put up a reasonable argument against that tbh, maybe one for Friday fight night . This would have served those on twitter and other socials greatly, aswell as to alleviate the mud throwing and assist in applying pressure.

 

[Jazz]

So for so many shareholders , like myself , we read all posts and can be a little confused but does anybody think this will be resolved at the ATM so we can start trading to release all or some of our investment or do we wait til mid next year as I am thinking , would like to hear other holders thinking ?

Assuming you mean the AGM, I think no. It is a habit most of us have been guilty of to expect news before an upcoming event, being an AGM, roadshow, or conference. I would caution everyone against getting their hopes up as the date of any of these events has no significance on the many hurdles AVZ is facing. Also, don’t be too eager to start trading, trading now would see us at 10c or worse. Just my opinion.

 

[Thaz]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

Love the work that you do.

But i'd wager, that there are a few reasons why AVZ announcements come across as 'mundane' / littered with 'legal-ese'.

1. Their lawyers would no doubt need to vet the contents being released to / on the ASX. As we all know - lawyers charge money to write shit, and then charge money to interpret that shit.
2. AVZ's spending/money is probably quite tight - they don't have the resources to come across as 'slick' as MMGA.
3. MMGA, id' wager, has the backing of Cong/Zijin/whoeever is supplying the snacks. And they do not have the overheads to worry about.

That said, AVZ can improve their messaging and the frequency of this. But I take what i can get.