AVZ Discussion 2022

[Azzler]

But the resource in the ground is worth like $50bil according to the DFS? Is the mining code saying we need 40% of that. Obviously I'm wrong somewhere here.

Just using logic and not the code, no that can't be and doesn't make sense.
Firstly because we already passed all code to get the decree, only stopped because of corruption.

But we do have 40% of it, under our feet, Dathcom owns 100% of it.
To say we need 40% of that value again in cash would be perplexing.
We're there to convert the value of the rock into cash, not to already have the cash that it's worth.
Only funds we need to prove is to operate, and we've done that.

 

[cruiser51]

Dathcom is worth 1b USD which is how much is shown in the DFS. This has nothing to do with AVZ's market capitalisation on the ASX.
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And AVZ owns 75% of Dathcom of which 15% is under dispute.

However taking the damages claim of Zijin and Cominiere in consideration, for their so-called 25%, of US$1.3 billion, it would make AVZ's 75% share of Dathcom worth US$5.2 Billion.

But the original DFS was based on a net SC6 price of US$673.70/t and AVZ owning 60% of Dathcom (which was true at the time of DFS publication), but those prices and that situation can not be compared with today's prices and situation.

You have to compare apples with apples.

AIMO

 

[Carlos Danger]

And AVZ owns 75% of Dathcom of which 15% is under dispute.

However taking the damages claim of Zijin and Cominiere in consideration, for their so-called 25%, of US$1.3 billion, it would make AVZ's 75% share of Dathcom worth US$5.2 Billion.

But the original DFS was based on a net SC6 price of US$673.70/t and AVZ owning 60% of Dathcom (which was true at the time of DFS publication), but those prices and that situation can not be compared with today's prices and situation.

You have to compare apples with apples.

AIMO

AVZ market capitalisation has nothing to do with anything in the DRC mining code. The applicant is Dathcom and the line in the mining code about ownership of 'said resources' refers to ownership rights of the tenement being applied for. We already got CAMI approval and a ministerial decree confirming that we passed every requirement.

Yeah obviously I agree it's worth a fuck tonne more or I would have sold around 0.35 but the question was in relation to the valuation in the DFS. I'm looking forward to the highly anticipated updated DFS or BFS being released with a current valuation but understand the reasons for it being delayed.

 

[Winenut]

I think everyone is reading that 40% of resources incorrectly

It states prior you must identify the “Financial Resources” to undertake and complete the project.

The entity undertaking the project must then have a share capital of more than 40% of the indicated "financial" resource required .

Have a re-read of those first four dot points under the heading Exploitation Permit

 

[Carlos Danger]

I think everyone is reading that 40% of resources incorrectly

It states prior you must identify the “Financial Resources” to undertake and complete the project.

The entity undertaking the project must then have a share capital of more than 40% of the indicated "financial" resource required .

Have a re-read of those first four dot points under the heading Exploitation Permit

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Yeah you're right. It is a requirement under 71 (b). But it is for the applicant so the valuation is of Dathcom not AVZ. So 40% of 1b USD is 400m USD which is what we are getting from CATH (240m equity and 160m in development costs).

I was thinking of section 71 (e) because it was separated into two dot points on the original post but that requirement is for 51% ownership for the applicant. Here's the relevant section of the mining code:

 

[timb89]

Can you please show me where it states $50 Billion in the DFS?

Just a rough estimation. Based on rock in the ground times a rough price. Again just an estimate, but not sure how else to arrive at 40% of resource value.

 

[Winenut]

Yeah you're right. It is a requirement under 71 (b). But it is for the applicant so the valuation is of Dathcom not AVZ. So 40% of 1b USD is 400m USD which is what we are getting from CATH (240m equity and 160m in development costs).

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I was thinking of section 71 (e) because it was separated into two dot points on the original post but that requirement is for 51% ownership for the applicant. Here's the relevant section of the mining code:

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As identified in the DFS the Capex for the project (read financial resources required) is US$545.5 million

From what I understand from the clause Dathcom therefore simply requires a share capital greater than 40% of the indicated financial resources to meet the criteria to satisy the clause and undertake the project

Therefore share capital of Dathcom to meet the requirement must be more than 40% x US$545.5 million or US$218.2 million

Dathcom easily met that share capital requirement hence it satisfied all the criteria for the decree to be signed

Just waiting for those surface rights to be calculated now......

 

[Carlos Danger]

Just a rough estimation. Based on rock in the ground times a rough price. Again just an estimate, but not sure how else to arrive at 40% of resource value.

40% of the resource value is 400m USD

https://avzminerals.com.au/s/20200421-DFS-Manono-Lithium-and-Tin-Project-Announcement-f8bl.pdf

 

[cruiser51]

Just a rough estimation. Based on rock in the ground times a rough price. Again just an estimate, but not sure how else to arrive at 40% of resource value.

So not based on current DFS, but based on calcs on toilet paper.
That explains.
You had me worried, I thought I started to suffer from amnesia.

So all good, nothing to worry.

 

[Carlos Danger]

As identified in the DFS the Capex for the project (read financial resources required) is US$545.5 million

From what I understand from the clause Dathcom therefore simply requires a share capital greater than 40% of the indicated financial resources to undertake the project

Therefore share capital of Dathcom to meet the requirement must be more than 40% x US$545.5 million or US$218.2 million

Dathcom easily met that share capital requirement hence it satisfied all the criteria for the decree to be signed

Just waiting for those surface rights to be calculated now......

Mining code says of 'said resources' but you're way makes more sense from an operational perspective

Either way were all good

 

[timb89]

40% of the resource value is 400m USD

https://avzminerals.com.au/s/20200421-DFS-Manono-Lithium-and-Tin-Project-Announcement-f8bl.pdf

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Yep i get it now.

 

[Winenut]

Mining code says of 'said resources' but you're way makes more sense from an operational perspective

Either way were all good

71(b) clearly and distinctly talks to financial resources and nothing else so yeah I think it's pretty clear

Cheers!

 

[BRICK]

Just sayin...

 

[Carlos Danger]

71(b) clearly and distinctly talks to financial resources and nothing else so yeah I think it's pretty clear

Cheers!

Yes it definitely does. Key word being 'said' I guess haha. Clearly I need a drink.

 

[Samus]

The Congolese government will link the city of Lubumbashi to Dar-Es-Salaam, by the Kasomeno-Kasenga-Chalwe road This regional integration road will be open to traffic no later than 2025 The work is continuing with the satisfaction of the government

 

[Winenut]

Yes it definitely does. Key word being 'said' I guess haha. Clearly I need a drink.

Okay

At least we've got that all straight

 

[Samus]

Billions of dollars escape us every day because of our dirty arrogance and treachery to each other, Congolese easy to sell his country for crumbs.

 

[Samus]

The solution is the compulsory communication of fundraising by AVZ. 1. How much? 2. From which institution? 3. On what condition? 4. For what assignment... There is no other scheme that any commission could propose...

Put yourself around the table and discuss all this under the mediation of an uninterested facilitator, you will find a favorable outcome for all. Also learn the lessons of the deposits frozen by the Chinese of Hysen, Hyvest, Minocom, Dathomir, etc. for years.

 

[Samus]

Not sure for what at this point


The Board of Directors of La Cominiere SA carried out the handover and takeover yesterday August 21, 2023

 

[oxxa23]

Not sure for what at this point


The Board of Directors of La Cominiere SA carried out the handover and takeover yesterday August 21, 2023

Why drinks and snacks of course