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Pharvest

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I hate this report. Sweden is terrible for mining given the long winded process any mine needs to go though. On all administrative levels. It's complete horse shit. And this report will be used by politicians to justify the status quo.. i.e. "Look, we are doing it exactly right" what garbage!
Yeah mate, absolute horse shite. The use of appeals to slow the development of what should be seen as one of Europe's most important green projects has been frustrating in the extreme. For Sweden to be at the top of some friendly to mining list is fucken laughable. The only thing I can say as that surely to christ we're past the worst of it!
 
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AGM must be going well!
 

anbuck

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Does anyone know when the five week period for appeals of the concession permit ends?
 
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cosors

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Does anyone know when the five week period for appeals of the concession permit ends?
yesterday (21.11.)
But I can't find any sign of if or who appealed.

Anyone who is informed of the decision by means of this notification may appeal the decision by no later than 21 November 2024.

and

If you have taken note of the decision by having it sent to you together with a receipt of service, you should proceed as follows to appeal the decision of the Mining Officer.

Start by signing the acknowledgement of receipt and sending it to the competent authority. This is only an acknowledgement that you have read the decision. It does not mean that you have accepted the decision.

You then have three weeks from the date you signed the acknowledgement of receipt to write your appeal and send it to the Bergsstaten.
 
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"Ebba Busch attends the Competitiveness Council meeting in Brussels​

Published 27 November 2024

On Thursday 28 November, Minister for Energy and Industry Ebba Busch will travel to Brussels to attend a meeting of the Competitiveness Council. The ministerial meeting will focus on Mario Draghi's report on the future competitiveness of the EU, presented in September.

During the meeting, ministers are expected to adopt Council conclusions on the future of EU competitiveness, which can be seen as the Council's response to Mr Draghi's report. The Council conclusions are not legally binding but represent a political statement of intent on the future direction of competitiveness.

The Council conclusions broadly welcome the Draghi report and the need to strengthen EU competitiveness, the single market, increase productivity and close the innovation gap. The Council conclusions also emphasise the need to reduce the regulatory burden on small and medium-sized enterprises.

For the government, it is important that future initiatives focus on strengthening the framework conditions for companies to operate and grow within the EU. Therefore, the government plans to work for wording that also takes into account the energy transition and the need for companies to have access to fossil-free energy, including nuclear power.

Ministers will also discuss Mr Draghi's proposals on the Better Regulation agenda to boost the EU's future competitiveness.

In addition, the SME Envoy Network will present its annual report on the state of EU SMEs. They will also provide information on priority areas for 2025.

Finally, the incoming Polish Presidency will present its work programme for spring 2025.

Sweden, together with France and Germany, has requested a discussion on how the EU can ensure a competitive European battery production."

About the meeting​

More information about the meeting and the agenda is available on the Council of Ministers' website. It also communicates the main outcomes of the meeting and provides photos, video material and doorsteps from the meeting.

Annotated agenda​

Prior to meetings of the Council of Ministers, the Government submits an annotated agenda to the Riksdag's EU Committee. The agenda contains brief information about the Council's agenda items, what the Council is expected to do and proposals for Sweden's position.

 
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cosors

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Look what the French are writing 😉

"Graphite, a European issue of strategic autonomy for clean mobility
Raphaël D.-P.
"Nevertheless, European projects are picking up speed. For example, the Swedish company Talga received the environmental permit for the mining of the Nunasvaara South deposit in Sweden. The mine is linked to a project for an anode factory with a capacity of 19,500 tonnes per year. Also in Sweden, the company Edge Materials plans to resume production at the Woxna mine, which has been closed since 2015. In addition, the Norwegian company Vianode has received €90 million in funding from the European Innovation Fund for the construction of a plant to produce synthetic graphite.

The Talga Group has announced talks with several companies including Ford, Toyota and Tesla. Players like Northvolt are also interested, as are battery manufacturers in conjunction with Mercedes, Stellantis or Renault."
 
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Look what the French are writing 😉

Graphite, a European issue of strategic autonomy for clean mobility
Raphaël DANINO-PERRAUD
"Nevertheless, European projects are picking up speed. For example, the Swedish company Talga received the environmental permit for the mining of the Nunasvaara South deposit in Sweden. The mine is linked to a project for an anode factory with a capacity of 19,500 tonnes per year. Also in Sweden, the company Edge Materials plans to resume production at the Woxna mine, which has been closed since 2015. In addition, the Norwegian company Vianode has received €90 million in funding from the European Innovation Fund for the construction of a plant to produce synthetic graphite.

The Talga Group has announced talks with several companies including Ford, Toyota and Tesla. Players like Northvolt are also interested, as are battery manufacturers in conjunction with Mercedes, Stellantis or Renault."
Can we trust Raphaël about what Talga has announced 🤔😁
 
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I looked up on LinkedIn because I had been made aware that he was/is currently in Japan. So far, I have only been able to find this:
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JNRB

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Posted thos at HC after someone was complaining 7 weeks post-permit we still don't have agreements. People have wringen about that here too so thought id do a quick copy-paste

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Stop counting in weeks. Most people in Europe cant even schedule a meeting without 1+ weeks notice, probably a fortnight for people in high level positions.

even once we have a permit, what do you think it takes to finallise an offtake agreement?
just spitballing but for arguments sake:
1 meeting with Talga
3 meetings internally
1 more meeting with Talga
2 more meetings internally
Final meeting with Talga
Final internal meeting
signing of agreement.

in between each meeting, other people are going to have to do work and review data and report in amongst whatever other work they do.
Let's say optimistically its 1 week between meetings, thats 10 weeks we're looking at. So no one should be surprises that 7 weeks after getting the permit we still haven't had news.

Side note: I wanted to cancel my discount card for the German train service, and i had to POST THEM A FORM 1 MONTH IN ADVANCE!!!
this is the context we're dealing with even without the added level of bullshit the swedes put us through.


Our offtake agreements are big deals and going to be multi-year partnerships for a product thats been years in testing and qualification. Yes Talga is pushing hard to make it happen no one involved considers a few months to be an outrageous timeline, especially going over the Christmas holidays.
 
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Making excuses for poor execution.

They’ve had two years to ink a deal that is subject to a single condition: permits. They haven’t done that. This isn’t just finishing touches, they can’t get the deal over the line because right now they can’t sell at a price that makes the project viable.
 

JNRB

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Lol Bullshit.
Recognising the real-world time that companies take to do things is "making excuses"?

Companies making a commitment prior to permits expect a better deal to compensate the additional risk and opportunity cost. Talga says nah we know what our product is worth, we'll wait and then when you're ready we'll sign a deal we're all happy with.

If it were a bulk commodity where companies could just add it into their total volumes with everyrhing esle, sure maybe that agreement would be fine.
But in case you haven't noticed THATS NOT WHAT TALGA OFFERS.

So now things are cleared to move forwards, NOW companies still need to do their due diligence and everything else that needs to happen internally to make a long term commitment.

Entire process:
Years

Finalising shit once everyone knows there's no more definite roadblocks:
Monts, not weeks.

Just a reminder to everyone, macro environment had shifted in our favour. Companies will be taking the CURRENT context into account when they make their final arrangements. And I fully trust that Talga is not just pleading to make any deal, but the best deal.
 
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cosors

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This is an interpretation that can be seen in one way or another. But that is not the reason for posting it.
It is gradually being realised in Germany that graphite could exist within Europe. A German federal economic development agency:


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"About us

Profile of the GTAI​

Germany Trade & Invest (GTAI) is the economic development agency of the Federal Republic of Germany.

We support the German export economy in opening up new markets abroad with extensive information and measures. We inform and advise foreign companies on setting up in Germany. In addition, GTAI promotes Germany's locational advantages abroad and promotes the internationalisation of the economy of regions affected by structural change. With over 60 offices worldwide, we have a global presence and, with the unique knowledge of our employees, make a lasting contribution to strengthening the business location."



 
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After so much big talk and breadcrumbs and "she'll be right" but also so many lapsed MOUs and LOIs I'm treating anything they publish now as noise, unless it's a binding commercial deal. Years and years of promises without delivery. Progress yes, but nothing commercial locked in. Nothing. Sick of it. Revenue by 2027 if we're lucky, cashflow positive by 2030 if we're lucky. Burning cash and shareholder value while we wait.
I'm out of patience.

Turns out it's just another West Perth lifestyle company.

Should have listened to my own advice here, disappointed to have been sucked into this again. No one to blame but myself.

Years of over-promising and under-delivering has done irreparable damage to investor confidence. Approaching lows again in a multi year bull market. Is this a lame-duck now? Was it always?
 

ACinEur

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Source; NATO website. I wonder where the NATO defence industry supplier’s will get the Graphite from? A member country? Luckily Sweden joined NATO in 2023…seriously someone needs to give the EU a big kick up the ass, before they all have to start speaking Russian.
Yours frustrated etc etc
AC
 

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"Coal demand heading for new record year - despite climate uncertainty​

Global coal demand is headed for a new record year in 2024, according to a recent IEA report. Renewable energy development will only be enough to stabilize global coal demand until 2027, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). Very bad news for the climate, notes AFP.

Demand is expected to reach 8.77 billion tons this year. Global coal trade is also expected to reach unprecedented volumes, with 1.55 billion tons, while prices remain 50 percent higher than the average recorded between 2017 and 2019.

“After reaching a record level in 2024, global coal demand is expected to stabilize” until 2027, according to the IEA. “The rapid deployment of clean energy technologies is transforming the global electricity sector, which accounts for two-thirds of global coal consumption,” the IEA writes, noting that the rapid growth in electricity demand ‘will be crucial in the medium term’.

China is the market locomotive: one third of the coal consumed in the world is burned in Chinese power plants. Emerging economies like India, Indonesia and Vietnam are close behind. “Asia remains at the center of the international coal trade,” notes the IEA. Asia is home to all the major importing countries (China, India, Japan, Korea and Vietnam), while among the largest exporters are Indonesia and Australia.

In contrast, most developed economies have already reached their peak demand, with coal demand expected to decline until 2027.

At the same time, there is a “massive expansion” of renewable energy, including in China, which “will slow the growth in coal use despite growing electricity demand”. Beijing continued to diversify its energy sector in 2024, with the construction of nuclear power plants and a “major expansion” of the country's solar and wind capacity."
 
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"Exclusive: Trump transition team plans sweeping rollback of Biden EV, emissions policies​

Dec 16 (Reuters) - Incoming U.S. President Donald Trump’s transition team is recommending sweeping changes to cut off support for electric vehicles and charging stations and to strengthen measures blocking cars, components and battery materials from China, according to a document seen by Reuters.
The recommendations, which have not been previously reported, come as the U.S. electric-vehicle transition stalls and China’s heavily subsidized EV industry continues to surge, in part because of its superior battery supply chain. On the campaign trail, Trump vowed to ease regulations on fossil-fuel cars and roll back what he called President Joe Biden’s EV mandate.
The transition team also recommends imposing tariffs on all battery materials globally, a bid to boost U.S. production, and then negotiating individual exemptions with allies, the document shows.
Taken together, the recommendations are a stark departure from Biden administration policy, which sought to balance encouraging a domestic battery supply chain, separate from China, with a rapid EV transition. The transition-team plan would redirect money now flowing to building charging stations and making EVs affordable into national-defense priorities, including securing China-free supplies of batteries and the critical minerals to build them.
The proposals came from a Trump transition team charged with crafting a strategy for swift implementation of new automotive policies. The team also calls for eliminating the Biden administration’s $7,500 tax credit for consumer EV purchases, a plan that Reuters first reported last month. The policies could strike a blow to U.S. EV sales and production at a time when many legacy automakers, including General Motors (GM.N), opens new tab and Hyundai (005380.KS)
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Jason Miller, a Trump transition senior adviser, said on Tuesday that the recommendations come from “outsiders who have no role in charting administration policy.”
Cutting government EV support could also hurt sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla (TSLA.O)
, opens new tab, the dominant U.S. EV seller. But Musk, who spent more than a quarter-billion dollars helping to elect Trump, has said that losing subsidies would hurt rivals more than Tesla."
The transition team calls for clawing back whatever funds remain from Biden’s $7.5 billion plan to build charging stations and shifting the money to battery-minerals processing and the "national defense supply chain and critical infrastructure.”
While batteries, minerals and other EV components are “critical to defense production,” electric vehicles “and charging stations are not,” the document says.

The Defense Department in recent years has highlighted U.S. strategic vulnerabilities because of China’s dominance of the mining and refining of critical minerals, including graphite and lithium needed for batteries, and rare-earth metals used in both EV motors and military aircraft.
A 2021 government report said the U.S. military faces “escalating power requirements” for weapons and communication equipment, among other technologies. “Assured sources of critical minerals and materials” are “critical to U.S. national security,” the report found.*

Trump transition spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said voters gave Trump a mandate to deliver on campaign promises, including stopping government attacks on gas-powered cars.
"When he takes office, President Trump will support the auto industry, allowing space for both gas-powered cars and electric vehicles," Leavitt said in a statement.

ALLOWING MORE TAILPIPE POLLUTION​

Automakers globally have been shifting toward electric vehicles in part to comply with stricter government limits on climate-damaging tailpipe pollution.
But the transition team recommendations would allow automakers to produce more gas-powered vehicles by rolling back emissions and fuel-economy standards championed by the Biden administration. The transition team proposes shifting those regulations back to 2019 levels, which would allow an average of about 25% more emissions per vehicle mile than the current 2025 limits and average fuel economy to be about 15% lower.
The proposal also recommends blocking California from setting its own, stricter vehicle-emissions standards, which more than a dozen other states have adopted. Trump barred California from setting tougher requirements during his first term, a policy that Biden reversed.
California has asked the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for another waiver to incorporate a stronger set of requirements beginning in 2026, which would eventually require all vehicles to be electric, plug-in hybrid or hydrogen-powered by 2035. The Biden administration’s EPA has not approved California’s request.
Many of the transition-team proposals appear aimed at encouraging domestic battery production, primarily for defense-related interests. Others appear aimed at protecting automakers, even those producing EVs, in the United States.
The proposals include:
– Instituting tariffs on “EV supply chain” imports including batteries, critical minerals and charging components. The proposal viewed by Reuters said the administration should use Section 232 tariffs, which target national security threats, to limit imports of such products.
The Biden administration recently increased tariffs on Chinese imports of several mentioned in the Trump-transition document, including lithium-ion batteries, graphite and “permanent magnets” used in EV motors and military applications. Those tariffs were issued on economic rather than security grounds.
– Waiving environmental reviews* to speed up “federally funded EV infrastructure projects,” including battery recycling and production, charging stations and critical mineral manufacturing.
– Expanding export restrictions on EV battery technology to adversarial nations.
– Providing support for exports of U.S.-made EV batteries through the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
– Using tariffs as a “negotiating tool” to open foreign markets to U.S. auto exports, including EVs.
– Eliminating requirements that federal agencies purchase EVs. A Biden policy requires all federal acquisitions of cars and smaller trucks to be zero-emission vehicles by the end of 2027.
– Ending DOD programs aimed at purchasing or developing electric military vehicles."
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Even if one can argue about what he intends to do, I stay out of it. I am glad that our society here does not have to choose between only two parties. Anyway, after reading this, our visit recently has taken a new meaning for me.


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"US Homeland Security and MSB visited Talga​

June 12, 2024:
On Wednesday, Talga received a visit from the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) at Talga's EVA pilot plant in Luleå. The visit took place as part of a bilateral security cooperation between Sweden and the United States, where supply chain security is one of the topics. The meeting was attended by DHS Chief of Research Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov and MSB Director General Charlotte Petri Gornizka.
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From left: Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov, Under Secretary of Science and Technology - DHS; Charlotte Petri Gornizka, Director General - MSB; Martin Phillips, CEO - Talga; Anna Motta, Chief Technology Officer - Talga.

A delegation from DHS and MSB visited Luleå on Wednesday for various study visits and meetings on common security issues, where Talga's CEO Martin Phillips had the opportunity to talk about the integrated value chain for battery anode materials that Talga is building in northern Sweden.

Talga CEO Martin Phillips commented: "A pan-European battery anode value chain is a cornerstone for securing the future energy supply of Europe and ultimately the Western world. We are pleased to discuss these perspectives with esteemed government representatives from both Sweden and the United States and together seek new solutions to tomorrow's challenges.

The Swedish government, represented by the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2007 an agreement on research and development cooperation in the broad field of civil security with the US government, represented by the Department of Homeland Security (International Agreement SO 2007:63). This has been complemented in 2024 by an operational cooperation agreement between MSB and FEMA.

The DHS is an umbrella department with approximately 260 000 employees and a number of associated expert agencies, such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Cybersecurity Agency (CISA), the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, and agencies with missions in transportation security, immigration, and border security.

The DHS delegation was led by Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov, Director of the DHS Science and Technology Directorate (S&T ) Knowledge Sharing Division, which is the counterpart to MSB under a joint cooperative agreement.

"With all the technology we surround ourselves with, there are of course security aspects where authorities have to look to the companies where the innovation comes from. We need to reflect together on these issues contextually and not just strictly commercially."

Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov, Under Secretary for Science & Technology, Department of Homeland Security, commented to the media on site at Talga.

The MSB delegation was represented by Director General Charlotte Petri Gornizka who visited Luleå together with both expert staff and those responsible for coordination between MSB and DHS.

"Since its inception in 2007, the cooperation between the United States and Sweden has focused on research and development issues. Our visit shows the importance of jointly prioritizing issues related to systems and technologies for resilience, where green transition and security of supply are central to total defense"
commented Charlotte Petri Gornizka, Director General of MSB."

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"MSB signed cooperation agreement with FEMA​

On May 7, DG MSB signed a cooperation agreement with the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

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FEMA's Chief Administrator Deanne Criswell and MSB Director General Charlotte Petri Gornitzka.

The agreement complements the research and development agreement that Sweden has had with DHS since 2007. The agreement allows for a broader and deeper partnership and more effective cooperation on operational matters.
This further contributes to strengthening the bilateral relationship with the United States in the areas of civil preparedness and security.

Examples of areas of cooperation:
  • Methodology and technology development for civil protection including new energy management and CBRNE security
  • Security of supply, including cooperation with the business community
  • Civil society and individual preparedness
  • Impact of climate change on security
  • Exercise"

"About MSB
The Social Security and Pensions Authority (MSB) strengthens society in preventing and overcoming accidents, crises and the consequences of war. We protect human life and health, the functioning of society and fundamental values such as democracy, the rule of law and human rights. A high level of trust and close cooperation with stakeholders are the key to our success."

The United States Department of Homeland Security comprises 22 existing federal agencies, including the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
 
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