TLG Discussion 2022

[Semmel]

IMHO
Lol - I care whether the material is extracted in Europe and the anodes are created in Europe or not. We have to win the fight against activists and political groups and generally change our thinking completely if we want to survive an want to archive something for the world climate. The latest example is the UK, where Britishvolt is dying with this complete industry - yeeha Brexit - at last the Lords are showing the rank and file how to deal with Europe
In general, deindustrialisation is a key issue for what is happening here. We also have to stand up to the NIMBYs and fight back if we don't want to go under. I know many people don't like to read this, but hey! Open your eyes an look at the whole picture. Take the mining projects or construction projects of the whole automotive industry and others. You always come back to the same groups who stand in the way no matter where you start looking here in Europe. Who is against green technology in Europe that helps the world climate? And I don't just mean our little example. So I do care at all whether NVX or TLG. We have to stand up, not the USA.
Don't they bake their shit for weeks at over 2000C⁰ Exactly! We have enough electricity - you just have to believe in it We should compare ourselves more with Syrah - @Proga is absolutely right.

You lost the plot there buddy. I dont compare companies because I think they are equal value. Or equivalent in their meaning. I compare company share prices because I want to know what OTHERS think they are worth. I am not invested in NVX (though I was for some time until I digged deep enough to not trust them at all and put it all into TLG). Your point is of course correct w.r.t. why invest in TLG.

Also, my point was that market was wrong on it when it priced NVX to 10 AUD. I rather put my money into a business that has the structure of TLG where the share price doesnt go crazy for no reason just to get slaughtered because it was a hot air balloon.

WRT the technology of NVX. I think artificial graphite going to be the strongest long term competition to Talga we have. Not new technologies like solid state, but artificial graphite. Thats because there is a way to manufacture it from natural gas (or CO2), even though today needle coke is used (which is going away). The transition to 100% renewable energy + battery for storage means, that energy cost will plummet to the point where it is almost free. In such an economy, the cost and environmental impact of artificial graphite might beat even Talga. But we have to get there before this becomes a thread. And getting to this stage is exactly Talgas market. Best would be that the mines deplete their ressources around the time when energy becomes free. One more reason to push project time lines as aggressively as possible.

 

[cosors]

You lost the plot there buddy. I dont compare companies because I think they are equal value. Or equivalent in their meaning. I compare company share prices because I want to know what OTHERS think they are worth. I am not invested in NVX (though I was for some time until I digged deep enough to not trust them at all and put it all into TLG). Your point is of course correct w.r.t. why invest in TLG.

Also, my point was that market was wrong on it when it priced NVX to 10 AUD. I rather put my money into a business that has the structure of TLG where the share price doesnt go crazy for no reason just to get slaughtered because it was a hot air balloon.

WRT the technology of NVX. I think artificial graphite going to be the strongest long term competition to Talga we have. Not new technologies like solid state, but artificial graphite. Thats because there is a way to manufacture it from natural gas (or CO2), even though today needle coke is used (which is going away). The transition to 100% renewable energy + battery for storage means, that energy cost will plummet to the point where it is almost free. In such an economy, the cost and environmental impact of artificial graphite might beat even Talga. But we have to get there before this becomes a thread. And getting to this stage is exactly Talgas market. Best would be that the mines deplete their ressources around the time when energy becomes free. One more reason to push project time lines as aggressively as possible.

I know and and understand, sometimes like to do that. With the current and Sweden in particular I would be careful. Whether it's a mine or a power cable doesn't matter to the party of the time. They have damaged the approval process so much that Sweden has a huge problem with renewable energy. NIMBYs have also contributed to this, of course. I think H2 GS or Hydro even want to cancel their plans because of this, too expensive, too little electricity. So there is resistance on a broad front. For me, regenerative electricity here with us in such masses that it is cheap remains an utopia, and you can't plan for it. Besides, this is not at all in the spirit of the green movement and not in its thinking. If there is a lot of energy for cheap money, a lot would be consumed. Just look at the discussion in Germany about energy and, for example, LNG terminals. On the other hand they are currently looking at whether protected areas in the North Sea can be designated for wind farms. You can imagine the outcome. I don't believe that electricity costs will fall to a cheap level with renewables because it is not politically desired, no, not by the capitalists but by the ecologists, and because we lack the industry to realise this. For example, we only have two companies left that can build the foundations for wind turbines in the North Sea and they are full.
We no longer have a solar cell industry. And the wind power industry is shifting to China with Nordex, for example. So yes, Talga is in the right place at the right time. But the idea that SG is a sensible alternative for the world's climate in utopia is Chinese and Altmeier's propaganda. Even in 20 years we will not have enough renewable electricity to waste.
Fit's better in the Bar anyway...

 

[Semmel]

Cosors, I am talking long term. Not tomorrow or next year or even in 10 years. In 20 yeas maybe. But, and I am certain of this, a 100% renewable energy + battery eceonomy necessarily has a near 0 cost for electricity. Its the most economical option and the one that will naturally occur despite all political resistance. And that is because its the cheapest option with the highest profits. You cannot win against fundamental greed of the economy. Here is why.

When going 100% solar and wind, you need a battery to cover times of low wind and/or low sun. The question is, how much energy storage compared to energy generation do you need? Depending on the cost of solar and wind vs. batteries, there is a sweet spot of minimal investment. And that sweet spot is somewhere between 2x and 5x average energy production vs. demand. There always will be low energy production days and the battery has to be sized such that the gaps can be filled. However, its cheaper to make the battery half as large but increase the energy generation hardware by 20% for instance in order to reduce the battery size requirements. But that means, in this scenario, that on average, you have a huge access of energy. And that is exactly why the energy becomes cheap. Not only due to the scale of the projects, which need to be massive, but also because its the most economic option, despite the low energy cost to the consumer. This will make any energy intensive industry much much cheaper than it is today. Including synthetic graphite. Its not a matter of belief or dream. Its the future Nash equilibrium that any economic system will gravitate to. And no amount of political power and/or NIMBYs will prevent that. But that is a LONG TERM development. Decades in the future. Though in my opinion it is inevitable.

 

[Semmel]

PS: I love healthy debates like this one

 

[anbuck]

PS: I love healthy debates like this one

I totally agree Semmel. Synthetic graphite is Talga's biggest competition and there will eventually be lots excess energy during off hours. The timeline for that is still to be seen. I believe it will happen much quicker than most projections suggest, but I still don't think it will be a threat to Talga in the short or medium term.

 

[TentCity]

Just while you are on the topic of renewables - South Australia has been setting some records on this front recently.

South Australia hits stunning new high in race to renewables-only grid

South Australia continues its record-breaking run on renewables with solar and wind hitting new monthly and quarterly highs for their share in electricity demand.

reneweconomy.com.au

TLG having access to 100% renewable power was one of the key things that attracted me to invest. I actually think we will hear more on this topic as I recall Mark saying in the most recent investor webinar that there was still scope to reduce carbon emissions further for what is already the world’s greenest anode. I suspect this will be via deploying an electric mining fleet via the partnership with ABB.

Similarly, I imagine graphite companies like Renascor, which is based in S.A will be able to leverage off the high amount of renewable energy in the grid to promote their green credentials. Still not as good as Talga, but certainly better than NVX.

 

[TentCity]

I got a good feeling about next week.

Resource upgrade ?
ACC ?

Please no more boring new Lab announcements

I mean reeeeeeaaaaaaaally ?

Would be nice to see the ACC deal come through, but impossible to predict timeline on that one.

I have mentioned before, but i still can’t figure out what’s taking the resource upgrade so long. They’ve had the drill results back for months. So, if I had to pick, that’s perhaps the nearest term one.

I also wonder if MT is heading over to Sweden for the Court hearing? Might have to wait for a tweet of a selfie of him saying “good to be back in Europe”!! While he’s over there, it might be the optimal time for some further in-person negotiations with ACC, Verkor etc.

Surprise announcements could include:
- Cathode Additives offtake agreements;
- Progress update on Rudolstadt plant upgrade for Talnode-Si;
- Mitsui MOU and strategic partner negotiations update - although, I think this is more likely post permit decision

 

[cosors]

Don't get me wrong. Talga is so small and the cables are already laid. Talga is safe. My assessment or opinion was about the big picture.
Talga has still their challenges, but they may relate to the transport of acid, among other things. So the risk management.

 

[anbuck]

Don't get me wrong. Talga is so small and the cables are already laid. Talga is safe. My assessment or opinion was about the big picture.
Talga has still their challenges, but they may relate to the transport of acid, among other things. So the risk management.

It's not that Talga is in existential danger, but rather that cheap synthetic graphite could lower Talga's margins years down the road.

 

[Coolbeans]

Would be nice to see the ACC deal come through, but impossible to predict timeline on that one.

I have mentioned before, but i still can’t figure out what’s taking the resource upgrade so long. They’ve had the drill results back for months. So, if I had to pick, that’s perhaps the nearest term one.

I also wonder if MT is heading over to Sweden for the Court hearing? Might have to wait for a tweet of a selfie of him saying “good to be back in Europe”!! While he’s over there, it might be the optimal time for some further in-person negotiations with ACC, Verkor etc.

Surprise announcements could include:
- Cathode Additives offtake agreements;
- Progress update on Rudolstadt plant upgrade for Talnode-Si;
- Mitsui MOU and strategic partner negotiations update - although, I think this is more likely post permit decision

Nothing significant is happening until after the permits. The dinosaur man's concept of time is a little different to ours, So "Shortly" means months or possibly longer to him. We have been pacified with breadcrumbs for years now and there is absolutely no chance of ACC getting done before the permits. All fine by me, very frustrating at times and iv lost my appetite for BS announcements many times along the way, I think this is what it takes being a new player outside of china so I'll cut Talga some slack now regarding times! There is also a bunch of Muppets playing the fiddle back and forth and enjoying giving everyone the run around. Hold your investment strong with Talga and ignore the bs along the way.

 

[cosors]

It's not that Talga is in existential danger, but rather that cheap synthetic graphite could lower Talga's margins years down the road.

I thought NG is always the cheaper option and is therefore mixed in? The only difference is that Talga's quality is unique and can even keep up with SG. Talga does not seem to me to be in any danger, except in court that climate deniers and NIMBYs are trying to prevent. Very polemical of me, but butter on the fish! - as they would say here. The other side takes no notice with their words. I'm still harmless in that respect. I prefer to spare myself further and clearer words.

But I would like to remind you all of one important thing. When a negative judgement is made it is of course very bad at first. But! That is not the end. In that case the government has the power to intervene, for the first time. Not only can they appeal, they also changed the law last year. Until the decision the government has no right to intervene. If the verdict is negative they have. That is my understanding. So if it's a no then the government can consult on whether they want the project to go ahead. Look at Cementa or Kallak/Gallok or others. You know how the politicians stand with us for the very most part. And they know how important the raw material is for Europe and the global climate. I'll exclude the "F!" party here


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Addendum: "F!" - they are really called so that is not an implied insult.

 

[anbuck]

I thought NG is always the cheaper option and is therefore mixed in? The only difference is that Talga's quality is unique and can even keep up with SG. Talga does not seem to me to be in any danger, except in court that climate deniers and NIMBYs are trying to prevent. Very polemical of me, but butter on the fish! - as they would say here. The other side takes no notice with their words. I'm still harmless in that respect. I prefer to spare Synthetic graphite requires heating up hydrocarbons to very high temperatures, which is energy intensive and therefore expensive. If energy becomes free in the future then the price of synthetic will come down.myself further and clearer words.

But I would like to remind you all of one important thing. When a negative judgement is made it is of course very bad at first. But! That is not the end. In that case the government has the power to intervene, for the first time. Not only can they appeal, they also changed the law last year. Until the decision the government has no right to intervene. If the verdict is negative they have. That is my understanding. So if it's a no then the government can consult on whether they want the project to go ahead. Look at Cementa or Kallak/Gallok or others. You know how the politicians stand with us for the very most part. And they know how important the raw material is for Europe and the global climate. I'll exclude the "F!" party here

Synthetic graphite requires heating up hydrocarbons to very high temperatures, which is energy intensive and therefore expensive. If energy becomes free in the future then the price of synthetic will come down.

 

[cosors]

Synthetic graphite requires heating up hydrocarbons to very high temperatures, which is energy intensive and therefore expensive. If energy becomes free in the future then the price of synthetic will come down.

Ok, I see this is more a matter of faith. I don't think energy will ever become cheap in our lifetime. And nuclear fusion is still a long way off, even if something has just been achieved. So for me this is a theoretical assumption that will not happen here. Maybe in China where the standards for environmental protection don't matter.
Maybe it's like real estate and the hope that it will become cheaper at some point. In addition, it is not politically desirable because it only stimulates consumption and electricity is not state-owned, so someone wants to and has to earn money with it.

 

[Semmel]

Ok, I see this is more a matter of faith. I don't think energy will ever become cheap in our lifetime. And nuclear fusion is still a long way off, even if something has just been achieved. So for me this is a theoretical assumption that will not happen here. Maybe in China where the standards for environmental protection don't matter.
Maybe it's like real estate and the hope that it will become cheaper at some point. In addition, it is not politically desirable because it only stimulates consumption and electricity is not state-owned, so someone wants to and has to earn money with it.

I bet you a crate of 6 Whiskys or equivalent that energy price in the US and Germany will be less than 10% of today's spot price.

 

[cosors]

I bet you a crate of 6 Whiskys or equivalent that energy price in the US and Germany will be less than 10% of today's spot price.

I hope I live that long. I would have plans - harrr

 

[Semmel]

I must have deleted it.. but I ment to say in 20 years. You should live that long

 

[Diogenese]

I see that BMW is having a side bet on solid state:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/...sedgntp&cvid=da46e20af2d542049d20dd5029bd9241

BMW Announces Deal To Build Solid-State Battery Cells​

Story by Chris Bruce • Yesterday 5:35 am

BMW plans to have a vehicle demonstrating this tech ready before 2025.​

Solid-state batteries could provide the next major technological leap for electric vehicles by significantly increasing range. In the latest step towards this future, BMW Group is expanding its Joint Development Agreement with the company Solid Power so that the automaker can build a prototype assembly line at the Cell Manufacturing Competence Center near Munich, Germany.

Before installing the prototype assembly line, folks from BMW will work with Solid Power to optimize the cell manufacturing process. Testing the automotive solid-state components will begin in 2023. A vehicle demonstrator of this tech will tentatively arrive sometime before 2025.

The BMW i Vision Dee (above) is the brand's concept for a future EV.

In late 2022, BMW and Solid Power offered additional details about this deal. The automaker is licensing the battery cell design and manufacturing process for $20 million. BMW will build a duplicate of Solid Power's pilot battery production line.

Solid Power opened its own pilot assembly line in 2022. The site can make 300 cells per week.

This is one of Solid Power's patent applications:

WO2022066924A2 SOLID ELECTROLYTE MATERIAL AND SOLID-STATE BATTERY MADE THEREWITH

1. A solid electrolyte material comprising Li, T, X and A, wherein T comprises at least one element selected from the group consisting of Sb, P, As, Si, Ge, Al, B, and W; X comprises one or more halogens, pseudo-halogens, or N; A comprises one or more of S or Se; and wherein the solid electrolyte material has peaks at 20 = 14.5° ± 0.50°, 16.8° ± 0.50°, 23.9° ± 0.50°, 28.1° ± 0.50°, and 32.5° ± 0.50 in X-ray diffraction measurement with Cu-Kα(1,2) = 1.54064Å.

9. A lithium solid-state battery comprising a positive electrode active material layer containing a positive electrode active material; a negative electrode active material layer containing a negative electrode active material; and a solid electrolyte layer disposed between the positive electrode active material layer and the negative electrode active material layer, wherein at least one of the positive electrode active material layer, the negative electrode active material layer, and the solid electrolyte layer comprises a solid electrolyte material comprising Li, T, X and A, wherein T comprises at least one element selected from the group consisting of Sb, P, As, Si, Ge, Al, B, and W; X comprises one or more halogens, pseudo-halogens, or N; A comprises one or more of S or Se; and wherein the solid electrolyte material has peaks at 26 = 14.5° ± 0.50°, 16.8° ± 0.50°, 23.9° ± 0.50°, 28.1° ± 0.50°, and 32.5° ± 0.50 in X- ray diffraction measurement with Cu-Kα(l,2) = 1.54064Å.

But they still envisage the use of carbon in the electrodes:

20. The lithium solid-state battery of claim 9, wherein the positive electrode active material layer and the negative electrode active material layer each comprise one or more carbon containing materials comprising carbon fiber, graphite, graphene, carbon black, conductive carbon, amorphous carbon, VGCF, and carbon nanotubes.

 

[cosors]

Here again the dates of the Annual General Meeting.

The National and Environmental Court will hold a main hearing in the case on Tuesday 31 January at 09.30, with scheduled continuations at 1-3 February 2023, 7-9 February 2023, 14-17 February 2023 and 21-23 February 2023, each at 08:30.

This info is correct! see:
https://www.domstol.se/globalassets...gorelser-mmd/umea-tr-m-1573-20-aktbil-337.pdf

I do not know whether the verdict will be pronounced on the last day or whether this will follow. These dates are intended to weigh up all the votes I think. Do any of you have any information about when the decision will be made, at the end of February or sometime in March?

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Climate deniers and NIMBYs are organizing January 31 a demonstration in Lulea.
And with the article about the conditions at the graphite mining in China they are making sentiment against!!! That's how they are, everything is 180° twisted. Maybe you understand why I clearly take a stand against climate change and for the Green Deal and against the would-be environmentalists aka NIMBYs.
It is a group for a future without mining, that is, mining that does not take place with them but where it is not seen. They do not want to miss the products and can not do without them.
IMHO, they end up using and stoking people's fears as well as those on the opposite edge of the extremes. All the same at this level. Why should I not write my opinion. Because they are quite normal FF goers?

 

[Diogenese]

Here again the dates of the Annual General Meeting.

The National and Environmental Court will hold a main hearing in the case on Tuesday 31 January at 09.30, with scheduled continuations at 1-3 February 2023, 7-9 February 2023, 14-17 February 2023 and 21-23 February 2023, each at 08:30.
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This info is correct! see:
https://www.domstol.se/globalassets...gorelser-mmd/umea-tr-m-1573-20-aktbil-337.pdf

I do not know whether the verdict will be pronounced on the last day or whether this will follow. These dates are intended to weigh up all the votes I think. Do any of you have any information about when the decision will be made, at the end of February or sometime in March?

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Climate deniers and NIMBYs are organizing January 31 a demonstration in Lulea.
And with the article about the conditions at the graphite mining in China they are making sentiment against!!! That's how they are, everything is 180° twisted. Maybe you understand why I clearly take a stand against climate change and for the Green Deal and against the would-be environmentalists aka NIMBYs.
It is a group for a future without mining, that is, mining that does not take place with them but where it is not seen. They do not want to miss the products and can not do without them.
IMHO, they end up using and stoking people's fears as well as those on the opposite edge of the extremes. All the same at this level. Why should I not write my opinion. Because they are quite normal FF goers?

Hi Cosors,

I remember when the rivers of many cities were toxic sewers.

From ‘biologically dead’ to chart-toppingly clean: how the Thames made an extraordinary recovery over 60 years​

More investment is needed in new drainage infrastructure across the city to avoid damage from increasingly frequent storm surges and overflows if we want to avoid harming the hard-earned health of London’s iconic river

By Veronica Edmonds-Brown​

Published: Thursday 21 April 2022​

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog...an-extraordinary-recovery-over-60-years-82503

There needs to be balance.

Industry and mining operations have cleaned up their act in many countries because of the agitation of the greens. Most western countries now have environmental regulations because of agitation by the greens.

Talga seeks to conform to these regulations and to meet the reasonable expectations of the local people.

The greens serve a useful, if sometimes inconvenient, spur to maintain the highest standards.

Here endeth the sermon.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

The dystopian lake filled by the world’s tech lust​

Hidden in an unknown corner of Inner Mongolia is a toxic, nightmarish lake created by our thirst for smartphones, consumer gadgets and green tech, discovers Tim Maughan.

From where I'm standing, the city-sized Baogang Steel and Rare Earth complex dominates the horizon, its endless cooling towers and chimneys reaching up into grey, washed-out sky. Between it and me, stretching into the distance, lies an artificial lake filled with a black, barely-liquid, toxic sludge.

Dozens of pipes line the shore, churning out a torrent of thick, black, chemical waste from the refineries that surround the lake. The smell of sulphur and the roar of the pipes invades my senses. It feels like hell on Earth.

Welcome to Baotou, the largest industrial city in Inner Mongolia. I'm here with a group of architects and designers called the Unknown Fields Division, and this is the final stop on a three-week-long journey up the global supply chain, tracing back the route consumer goods take from China to our shops and homes, via container ships and factories.

 

[cosors]

Hi Cosors,

I remember when the rivers of many cities were toxic sewers.

From ‘biologically dead’ to chart-toppingly clean: how the Thames made an extraordinary recovery over 60 years​

More investment is needed in new drainage infrastructure across the city to avoid damage from increasingly frequent storm surges and overflows if we want to avoid harming the hard-earned health of London’s iconic river

By Veronica Edmonds-Brown​

Published: Thursday 21 April 2022​

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog...an-extraordinary-recovery-over-60-years-82503

There needs to be balance.

Industry and mining operations have cleaned up their act in many countries because of the agitation of the greens. Most western countries now have environmental regulations because of agitation by the greens.

Talga seeks to conform to these regulations and to meet the reasonable expectations of the local people.

The greens serve a useful, if sometimes inconvenient, spur to maintain the highest standards.

Here endeth the sermon.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

The dystopian lake filled by the world’s tech lust​

View attachment 27839

Hidden in an unknown corner of Inner Mongolia is a toxic, nightmarish lake created by our thirst for smartphones, consumer gadgets and green tech, discovers Tim Maughan.

From where I'm standing, the city-sized Baogang Steel and Rare Earth complex dominates the horizon, its endless cooling towers and chimneys reaching up into grey, washed-out sky. Between it and me, stretching into the distance, lies an artificial lake filled with a black, barely-liquid, toxic sludge.

Dozens of pipes line the shore, churning out a torrent of thick, black, chemical waste from the refineries that surround the lake. The smell of sulphur and the roar of the pipes invades my senses. It feels like hell on Earth.

Welcome to Baotou, the largest industrial city in Inner Mongolia. I'm here with a group of architects and designers called the Unknown Fields Division, and this is the final stop on a three-week-long journey up the global supply chain, tracing back the route consumer goods take from China to our shops and homes, via container ships and factories.

I still know colourful rivers with mountains of foam on it and today salmon are swimming in some of them again.
Such a catastrophic picture of the environmental destruction from China as you bring the example here is also about the graphite mining in China. And it is precisely with this image that fear is aroused. Take a look at this. You want something like that in beautiful Nunasvaara?!

A voice from the largest environmental association is of the opinion that this mining in China must be enough for the supply of raw materials. So that in China but not more of it here. A common opinion.
I realize that we could lead by example precisely because of these laws that only exist because of this movement. It is clear to me that Talga can contribute a great deal to environmental protection if it is not prevented.

Maybe I misunderstood you. I am against those who blindly stand in the way of environmental protection, the Green Deal and climate protection for selfish reasons.

We owe a lot to the green movement and more! But today, unfortunately some of the extremists are standing in the way of their own ideals from back then. I notice that in so many things here! And especially in Sweden, which I have been dealing with for some years now. Today it's no longer about rivers, the work is done here at least. Today the focus is on emissions. Natura2000, for example, is uniformly valid here in Europe and the EU Commission has criticised that this very law is being used by some member states in a harmful way against green projects that could reduce climate emissions. Therefore, laws are now to be adapted. And it is mostly the same groups that are complaining against these green projects here as well as in Sweden. But let's stay focused on our project instead of drifting into the big and whole picture. I expect that this project will reduce emissions, help the Green Deal, reduce polluting production in China, increase independence and be good for the much needed electrification. I think I know all the voices against it. Which is why I am sometimes so clear in my criticism. This green project is among others denied by associations that are supposed to protect the environment. I can give you countless examples where red kites, toads, snakes, beetles, bats or even mushrooms are suddenly found in order to prevent a green project by green associations. I can't tell you why this is so absurd, I can only make my assumptions, but none of the voters want to hear or read them. The only ones who are open-minded are the Sami who speak of green imperialism and genocide when a wind turbine is to be build in their backyard, which is not even theirs.
I have spent too much time trying to get a picture of the dissenting voices. I no longer wear green glasses and am disillusioned. What counts for me is action to save the climate for mankind. And not hypocritical professions on demonstration posters. The situation is too dramatic, as FF and Greta has made very clear to us all. The same people are always putting the brakes on and for me they can simply be summed up by a common motive. Not in my backyard. And that's what I wanted to make clear. My opinion.
We owe a lot to the movement at its core.
Unfortunately, people with selfish motives are hiding in this movement or hiding behind children. And it is difficult to criticize them because they work against environmental protection with their understanding of environmental protection. I realize that I have a very unpopular realistically sober opinion. As I mentioned, I've looked behind the scenes too much as I looked at the situation in China or Congo or Brazil and in many other places where the worst overexploitation is being carried out so that we can shop at Amazon dutifully. Do we want to change something about that?

In our case, I actually only know one group that is against it. And the different members are legally represented jointly. They got together with one motive. Not here. I admit that this blocking attitude can be frustrating at times.

e.g.
How anyone can only think of themselves in the face of this is beyond me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/graphite-mining-pollution-in-china/

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Let's see if they show the picture of this toxic nightmarish lake in Mongolia/China for demonstration: Do you want that in your backyard?!