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As I announced to you there was a demonstration in Kiruna with Greta against any mining activity in the region. I will not post the whole articles or all here, just two as an example because we have known this newspaper/broadcaster for a long time:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/lkab-bjuder-in-greta-thunberg-delar-syn-pa-klimatet--8m6s5e
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/sapmi/samebyungdomar-och-greta-thunberg-protesterar-tillsammans-mot-nya-gruvetableringar

What is remarkable is the detail in which ~paper this article is reported, and this in Germany and not by any news agency.
The RND Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland GmbH (proper spelling RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland), based in Hanover, is the editorial office for national content of the Verlagsgesellschaft Madsack GmbH & Co. KG. Its largest limited partner is Deutsche Druck- und Verlagsgesellschaft, the media holding company of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), with a share of 23.1 %.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RND_Redaktionsnetzwerk_Deutschland
[For us Germans: Take a look at where they have their fingers in. Ökotest sticks out directly. Wiki Link]

Since I know that for many Greta is holy @beserk .) and she has the right to the truth in her name, which is especially true in Germany, I will withhold my comments. Make up your own mind.
Just a comment on the wildlife bridge: I looked at the Sami maps like I did for us and I wonder why the corridor to pass is not just put a bit north around this area (marked in blue).
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Here is the article from the ~social democratic German press:

"Threatened people in northern Sweden

The Sami, Greta and the Rare Earths: "The Last Indigenous People of the EU Will Be Sacrificed"​

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The Sami in Scandinavia are considered the last indigenous people in Europe. But they are coming under more and more pressure. Now even Greta Thunberg wants to help to save her - even if that hinders the energy transition.

Kiruna. It is a find that attracted attention throughout Europe. A few weeks ago, the Swedish mining group LKAB discovered the most important deposits of so-called rare earths in Europe in northern Sweden. More than a million tons of rare earths are waiting to be mined in Kiruna.

Such metals are indispensable for many high-tech products, and the energy transition cannot succeed without them, so far they have mainly been mined and controlled by China. The discovery in Sweden, it was said a few weeks ago in Brussels, could significantly strengthen the competitiveness of European industry and reduce dependencies.

But the joy of the find is clouded in the region of northern Sweden itself. Because the area around the site is the traditional habitat of the Sami, the last indigenous people in Europe. Most Sami live in the northern parts of Sweden, Finland, Norway and Russia, many of them are reindeer herders or work in reindeer herding. "The EU's last indigenous people are being sacrificed to reduce the EU's dependence on China and Russia for raw materials,"* Svenska Samernas Riksförbund, the association for reindeer herders in Sweden, recently complained on Facebook.

protests in Norway​

Especially on Monday and Tuesday, Sami activists drew attention to themselves in Norway. Together with Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, they blocked access to the Ministry of Energy in Oslo in protest against wind turbines in western Norway. "We cannot use the so-called climate change as a cover for colonialism," said Thunberg on Monday outside the ministry's doors. "A climate change that violates human rights is not a climate change worthy of the name," the activist told TV2.

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Greta Thunberg has joined activists from Nature and Youth and the Norwegian Sami association Nuorat in blocking entrances to the Ministry of Oil and Energy.

The Sami activists are calling for the demolition of the wind farms in the Fosen region of western Norway: more than 500 days after a Supreme Court decision against the plants. The court had ruled that the wind farm project eroded the rights of the indigenous Sami people to practice their reindeer herding culture. Saami officials are now calling for the wind turbines to be demolished, even if it doesn't help the fight against climate change.

Per Geijer: the beginning of an era - the end of another​

In northern Sweden, too, a balance must be struck between the necessities of the energy transition and the rights of the Sami. The city of Kiruna is already known for its huge iron mine, which is the world's largest for extracting iron ore. According to LKAB , the new deposit, the "Per Geijer" deposit, is the largest known deposit for critical raw materials in Europe. One million tonnes of rare earth oxides, over 500 million tonnes of high iron mineral deposits and approximately seven times the amount of phosphorus than is already being mined at the site. These earth metals are of paramount importance in the manufacture of electric cars, wind turbines and mobile phones, among other things.

According to the EU Commission, earth metals are also materials that will be in greater demand in the coming period due to digitization and electrification. "These substances are hardly ever produced in Europe today - this finding is therefore important for the future self-sufficiency of the EU," says Anders Lindberg, spokesman for the LKAB. So far, Europe has imported most of the phosphorus from Russia and the rare earths from China. However, according to LKAB, it will take at least ten to 15 years before the raw materials can be mined.


For the reindeer herding cooperative Gabna Sameby, the occurrence in Kiruna meant above all a threat to their culture. “This would be the end of our reindeer husbandry,” says Karin Kvarfordt Niia, representative of the Gabna Sameby. Their land would be split in half if the mine at Per Geijer was actually built. According to the association, this makes reindeer herding impossible there.

A shock to the seeds​

The area around Per Geijer is the reindeer's last passage to the pastures used by the Sami since the ice sheet melted. “It was a shock for us when LKAB presented this. We will no longer be able to carry out the millennia-old reindeer husbandry,” says Kvarfordt Niia.

Over the past 130 years, LKAB has already engulfed many areas around Kiruna that were traditional Sami land. The Sami were gradually driven from this land, settlements and traditional reindeer routes can no longer be used.

The mining company has been investigating the site for the rare earths for two years, and Gabna Sameby has known about this for a long time. But just 12 hours before the deposit was presented to several senior EU officials, Sameby learned of the news at Per Geijer.

The company gave the seeds far too little time to defend themselves against the news, says Karin Kvartfort Niia. “From the moment LKAB spoke to us about these land areas, it was clear to us that they must not touch this area. But neither the Swedish state nor LKAB respects us. The way they present the information also shows that they chose to violate our human rights, cut off a Sami cooperative and harm the EU's only indigenous people," says Kvarfordt Niia.

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Karin Kvarfordt Niia does not want a new mine in Per Geijer. Gabna Sameby representative says it is destroying reindeer husbandry.

The mining company LKAB sees it differently. Spokesman Anders Lindberg told RND that they respect the Sami people and want to find ways to coexist with them. They will use as little land as possible and compensate for consumption by having wildlife bridges built, for example. A wildlife bridge is a bridge designed to help wild animals overcome obstacles and cross safely.

Society must decide whether there will be this mine in Per Geijer or not. Lindberg argues that the Kiruna deposit eventually has the potential to contribute to a green transition that could save everyone from climate change. You have to weigh up and also consider “that climate change affects all Sami cooperatives everywhere. "I'm not saying it's very easy to solve. But on the one hand, a reindeer herding cooperative is restricted here by the planned mine.* On the other hand, all reindeer herding cooperatives are affected by climate change, which we can combat with rare earths.”

Here is a video in German about the protest action against the wind farm but I cannot embed it here.

The question is: what actually is sustainable?​

Karin Kvarfordt Niia from the reindeer herders' cooperative is not happy with this position from LKAB. "Even if they help us through bridges and fences, our reindeer need different conditions to survive." But she agrees that reindeer herding is already being negatively affected by climate change and will be even more so in the future.

However, she does not see the Per Geijer deposit as part of a sustainable transition. “Stopping climate change is important, but it has to be done with care and not on industry terms. That LKAB finds it reasonable to sacrifice an Indigenous people only shows that they are driven by money.”

She points out that the land and water adjacent to the mine are being polluted, just as is happening at the other mines in the area. “No sane person would eat a fish from the Torne River, for example.” She also mentions that the land is so “eroded” by the mines in the city that buildings have to be emptied and demolished. For several years, Kiruna has been in a process of gradually relocating the city to make room for the mining industry. “You are taking liberties well beyond what you have and packaging it under the pretense that they are needed for the green transition. But it's not green, just a little less bad."

In contrast, she sees reindeer herding as a sustainable use of land. “We operated here for a very long time without leaving any traces or wounds in nature. That's sustainability, we think."

The internationally renowned expert on rare earth metals, Professor Julie Klinger from the USA, came to the conclusion in her research that these metals are not as rare as their name might suggest. While difficult to access, they can be found in more than 800 locations around the world, according to 2015 figures.

Karin Kvarfordt Niia also refers to this research by Professor Klinger. “If you want to think green and sustainably in the long term, you have to use land that has already been destroyed. Start finding systems to use what's in the mines that already exist. In this way LKAB would also show that they respect the only indigenous people in the EU.”"
https://www.rnd.de/politik/samen-in-skandinavien-das-letzte-indigene-volk-der-eu-wird-geopfert-ZHVQAGN7EJA5PCZQZZS74VOCDQ.html

*one side and the other.

As always, the bar is open for any debate if there is interest.
 
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In contrast, she sees reindeer herding as a sustainable use of land. “We operated here for a very long time without leaving any traces or wounds in nature. That's sustainability, we think."

Yes, because like most of Europe you have quite happily exported most of the dirtier aspects of your lifestyle. You operated 'sustainably' there because you use products and services where the impact is felt somewhere else. Bloody hypocrites. You want to tell everyone your way of life is sustainable within your ecosystem? Then go build your own phone, and start with mining your own minerals for the battery.
 
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Yes, because like most of Europe you have quite happily exported most of the dirtier aspects of your lifestyle. You operated 'sustainably' there because you use products and services where the impact is felt somewhere else. Bloody hypocrites. You want to tell everyone your way of life is sustainable within your ecosystem? Then go build your own phone, and start with mining your own minerals for the battery.
Do you mean this, for example?

Myanmar's poisoned mountains​

The toxic rare earth mining industry at the heart of the global green energy transition​

https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/natural-resource-governance/myanmars-poisoned-mountains/
 
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What a miserable looking bunch this is

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Well I like to question the Gabna Sami village spokespersons long winding examples of the many perils to humans and reindeer alike by mining activity.

The operations of LKAB have been ongoing for more than 120 years. And these operations is the reason Kiruna lies where it does. More than 100 km from the next town down the Iron ore line and 180 km from Narvik, the closest Atlantic export harbour. IMHO the location of the Kiruna mine in an inhospitable Arctic location on top of a mountain is a monument to the endeavour and industriousness of previous generations of miners.

Also her expert professor on mining of rare earth elements (REEs) does not seem to be aware of the LKAB REEMAP project. REEs already extracted from Kirunavaaras ore body, and associated with the iron ore, that have been stacked in heaps at the mine site are now shipped to Luleå for further purification. That is, as a value added re-mediation project. Exactly what the Professor calls for. But in addition to this REE 'waste' processing there is scope for more REEs to be extracted. And that is where the Per Geijer iron ore body with associated REEs could provide a boost for the green transitioning.

Finally the idea that the fish in the Torne river has been in any way 'contaminated' by iron ore operation in Kiruna is pre
postorous. The population along the Torne river valley have been continuing fishing and eating their catch for the last 100 years without any measurable health effects. I am part of the Finnish speaking population of Torne river valley. That have benefitted from jobs created in Kiruna thanks to the mining.

And that have co inhabited this area with the Sami for more than 350 years.
 
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Well I like to question the Gabna Sami village spokespersons long winding examples of the many perils to humans and reindeer alike by mining activity.

The operations of LKAB have been ongoing for more than 120 years. And these operations is the reason Kiruna lies where it does. More than 100 km from the next town down the Iron ore line and 180 km from Narvik, the closest Atlantic export harbour. IMHO the location of the Kiruna mine in an inhospitable Arctic location on top of a mountain is a monument to the endeavour and industriousness of previous generations of miners.

Also her expert professor on mining of rare earth elements (REEs) does not seem to be aware of the LKAB REEMAP project. REEs already extracted from Kirunavaaras ore body, and associated with the iron ore, that have been stacked in heaps at the mine site are now shipped to Luleå for further purification. That is, as a value added re-mediation project. Exactly what the Professor calls for. But in addition to this REE 'waste' processing there is scope for more REEs to be extracted. And that is where the Per Geijer iron ore body with associated REEs could provide a boost for the green transitioning.

Finally the idea that the fish in the Torne river has been in any way 'contaminated' by iron ore operation in Kiruna is pre
postorous. The population along the Torne river valley have been continuing fishing and eating their catch for the last 100 years without any measurable health effects. I am part of the Finnish speaking population of Torne river valley. That have benefitted from jobs created in Kiruna thanks to the mining.

And that have co inhabited this area with the Sami for more than 350 years.
Thanks for your insights through the native lens. They are very valuable in helping gauge the true impacts of mining activity in the area. These are just about the most impartial views any Talga investor could ever hope to have access to - despite the fact you’re an investor too.
 
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We're mentioned again in the great Handelsblatt, apparently. Unfortunately behind a PW and I don't want to take out a trial subscription for something we probably know anyway. I'll check the station later to see if it's in the print edition.

Mining in Europe
The big dig
The EU wants companies to extract more raw materials from European soils. But the obstacles are great - and time is short.
30.08.2023
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Mine in Kiruna, Sweden
Currently, only iron ore is mined at Kiruna, but rare earths could soon be added.

Düsseldorf, Brussels, Zurich. For a few days now, the company Vulcan Energy has been extracting lithium from the ground in Landau, Rhineland-Palatinate. The start-up wants to extract 40 tonnes of the coveted raw material per year with its first demonstration plant. In two years, the first commercial plant is expected to produce 24,000 tonnes per year. Customers include car companies such as Volkswagen, Stellantis and Renault, but also battery manufacturer LG and cathode specialist Umicore.

Vulcan Energy is not alone: mining, the basis of industrialisation in the 19th century, is experiencing a renaissance in Europe. Politicians have finally understood that they must reduce dependence on raw materials from other parts of the world, says Vulcan founder Horst
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https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/bergbau-in-europa-das-grosse-buddeln/29344914.html
 
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"One step closer to mining in Vittangi - but more permits are required​

  • Mining company Talga's planned graphite mine outside Vittangi has come one step closer to reality.
  • The Land and Environment Court dismisses the appeals that came in after the Land and Environment Court at Umeå district court, which approved the mining permit last spring.
  • But there are still more permits that need to be approved before the mine is in place, says the company's press manager Cen Rolfsson"
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ett-steg-narmare-gruva-i-vittangi

And he is right about that. Next is the processing concession. For me, it feels like a formality. I've been wondering for some time what they're waiting for. We've had Natura2000 in our pockets for a long time.


...and first other articles on the same topic but behind a PW.

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I like Heiliger Strohsack 😅

Either you play dumb or pretend to be dumber than you are, or you are dumb as hell.
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"Environmental permit for graphite mine completed​


Published Friday, September 1
  • It is now clear that the company Talga will receive an environmental permit for a graphite mine in Nunasvaara south outside Vittangi in Kiruna municipality, reports P4 Norrbotten .
  • The Land and Environmental Court of Appeal will not review the permit after the appeals that came after the verdict last spring, including from Talma and Gabna Sami villages.
  • The decision can be appealed to the Supreme Court."
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/miljotillstand-for-grafitgruva-klart



and the lawyer
"Got word yesterday from the Land and Environment Court that they are not giving permission to appeal regarding Talga AB's permit for a new mine at Nunasvaara Södra in Kiruna. In my opinion, this is remarkable given the large negative impact this activity risks having on water quality, Natura 2000 areas, protected species and for local residents.
We are now considering whether to appeal the decision."

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"Talga is looking for more battery minerals in Norrbotten​

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→ Talga Battery Metals has received permission to prospect near the villages of Sammakko and Purnu. In the ground around and under the villages, they search for everything from gold, silver and copper to cobalt and lithium. "It looks promising, but we are still early in the process," says the company...Read more → Norrländska Socialdemokraten / 2023-09-05 19:00"
https://aktualitet.se/?a=d3d3Lm5zZC...yYS11bmlrYS1zdGVuYWxkZXJzZnluZGVuL3IwMTIyd2Rs

It's about this: https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/technology-resource-and-mining.31383/post-347534
 
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Looks like MT is speaking at the Fast Markets European Battery Raw Materials Conference in Amsterdam from the 18-20 September.

Safe to assume he wouldn't miss turning the first sod at the anode refinery opening ceremony on the 11th and will take the opportunity to stay on in Europe for a bit longer to possibly meet with potential customers and visit the Talnode-Si pilot plant in Rudolstadt.

Looks like the CEO and Co-founder of Verkor will be a fellow presenter at the conference - so good opportunity to progress the offtake negotiations in light of the latest court decision.

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Looks like MT is speaking at the Fast Markets European Battery Raw Materials Conference in Amsterdam from the 18-20 September.

Safe to assume he wouldn't miss turning the first sod at the anode refinery opening ceremony on the 11th and will take the opportunity to stay on in Europe for a bit longer to possibly meet with potential customers and visit the Talnode-Si pilot plant in Rudolstadt.

Looks like the CEO and Co-founder of Verkor will be a fellow presenter at the conference - so good opportunity to progress the offtake negotiations in light of the latest court decision.

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"China’s battery plant rush raises fears of global squeeze
State subsidies follow steel and solar panel playbook in reinforcing race for market share
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“We are worried,” said Olivier Dufour, co-founder of Verkor, a French battery start-up backed by Renault. “What I see there is very similar to what I knew in aluminium. It’s more than preoccupying,” added Dufour, a former executive at mining company Rio Tinto.
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https://www.ft.com/content/b6038e51-7b5b-4f97-a5da-9202e71562fc


There is something ominous and much to discuss.
 
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The Group didn't exist back then.
I saw that for the first time yesterday. Google made it available for the first time.
Maybe they bought the rights from Rockfleet, SGU hadn't updated their map yet and EGM took ours because they didn't have their own results yet and slightly adjusted the text (Group)? And their page is up to date, see news.
Very strange. More eyes see more. Maybe you have a look at it too.
I'm not sure what you're hinting at and why you're bringing the company into the picture. It appears to be a separate, independent company with no ties to Talga, also operating partially in Sweden, and simply drawing comparisons to Talga's world-class graphite deposits to illustrate its own and high graphite content.

Further info:
 
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I'm not sure what you're hinting at and why you're bringing the company into the picture. It appears to be a separate, independent company with no ties to Talga, also operating partially in Sweden, and simply drawing comparisons to Talga's world-class graphite deposits to illustrate its own and high graphite content.

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Thank you! Sometimes the obvious corresponds to reality.
I have been on winding paths through administrations, offices and courts like camps for years now and just didn't expect a miner to advertise with us.
It started then in the hype by one with many faces that questions came up that he and no one else could or would answer and I started to search.
It all fits with your straightforward theory and I agree with you. I've blurred that above out again. It's about time I loosened up as already announced.
 
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I'm not sure what you're hinting at and why you're bringing the company into the picture. It appears to be a separate, independent company with no ties to Talga, also operating partially in Sweden, and simply drawing comparisons to Talga's world-class graphite deposits to illustrate its own and high graphite content.

Further info:
Talga Battery Metals has received permission to prospect near the villages of Sammakko and Purnu’

Pretty obvious why Cosors posted the article and was probing. Evidently just a very sloppy article.
 
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Talga Battery Metals has received permission to prospect near the villages of Sammakko and Purnu’

Pretty obvious why Cosors posted the article and was probing. Evidently just a very sloppy article.
Wait, there were two different things in my post. One is the new one above with Lithium on Aitik and all the other names, see thread mining, and the other was Pajala (not to be confused with also again Aitik Jalkunen with all the other names, see picture in said thread). It's the old one, I think it belonged once to Talga. teilenswert is absolutely right with his critic from my point of view, so I deleted that part.

EGM is/seems to be a miner that advertises with us or Vittangi.

Sorry to confuse.

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If we want more and more graphite and uncomplicated then in Raitajärvi. It will be the same as Vittangi and EGM's, who advertise for themselves with Vittangi or us.
It was just so confusing for me as semi topical and I was not clear about EGM's concept.
I see it more as Talgas medal.
The first mining company since time immemorial to get a permit for being the best in the world at this discipline.
In retrospect I feel rather flattered.
 
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Wait, there were two different things in my post. One is the new one above with Lithium on Aitik and all the other names, see thread mining, and the other was Pajala (not to be confused with also again Aitik Jalkunen with all the other names, see picture in said thread). It's the old one, I think it belonged once to Talga. teilenswert is absolutely right with his critic from my point of view, so I deleted that part.

EGM is/seems to be a miner that advertises with us or Vittangi.

Sorry to confuse.

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If we want more and more graphite and uncomplicated then in Raitajärvi. It will be the same as Vittangi and EGM's, who advertise for themselves with Vittangi or us.
It was just so confusing for me as semi topical and I was not clear about EGM's concept.
I see it more as Talgas medal.
The first mining company since time immemorial to get a permit for being the best in the world at this discipline.
In retrospect I feel rather flattered.
 
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Unrelated to your post Cosors 😃
They fight, yes. And that aggressively. But that was already clear years ago. You can also see it in that way that they don't want to lose their dominance or fear to do so. The question is how long they will hold out. The Silk Road was a financial disaster, countries around the world can not pay their debts back what was answered with more credit for the interest, the real estate market in China is on the verge of collapse for years was pre financed built on credit to leave the property or apartments then empty as an object of speculation, entire cities are empty in this way, at the same time Chongping is in 14a to 32M inhabitants grown. China exploits its raw materials in subjugated neighboring states, builds a coal-fired power plant every week. It couldn't go on forever. I don't think they can keep up this pace forever. To the outside world, they seem infinitely strong and as if they can simply dictate to the world what they want. But they have a huge financial problem and it's just beginning. Unnatural and unhealthy rapid growth at any price. All for the party.
So yes, at the moment they are using their power where they can but that won't last forever.
By the way, we alone pay these scoundrels for their hostile behaviour still €630M development aid every year.)
I evaluate their behavior therefore at the same time as hostile aggression and on the other side as a rising against the inevitable.

So, I'm out here for a few days. See you!
 
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