HUAWEI TAISHAN 200 SERVER / KUNPENG 920 PROCESSOR USING AKIDA

[Diogenese]

I think I’ve said this before but if anyone thinks China will never get their hands on Akida, much like nobody will ever use Akida for “bad”… then I’m sorry to say - even if the company does what it can to prevent it, you can’t really hold back the tide on such things.

Playing devils advocate here - but what’s stopping anyone shipping off the Akida chip to someone in China, when the post service resumes on Tuesday? Who is to say it hasn’t already happened?

I think life is easier to swallow if you assume these sorts of things will occur and then focus on the larger picture.

All IMO - not trying to start a fight or upset anyone.

I think that the Chinese branch of ARM was "nationalized" when the Nvidia takeover of ARM was mooted.

As I said, I think Simula have bought the Huawei supercomputers and plugged Akidas into them to improve speed and power efficiency, but I have no more information than anyone else here.

 

[zeeb0t]

I think that the Chinese branch of ARM was "nationalized" when the Nvidia takeover of ARM was mooted.

As I said, I think Simula have bought the Huawei supercomputers and plugged Akidas into them to improve speed and power efficiency, but I have no more information than anyone else here.

I wonder if anyone has considered the kind of cpu use case these are intended for… I wonder what other dot folks can think of. That’s all I will say, all completely imaginative thinking on my part.

 

[Diogenese]

Hi again
Already heard back from Tony Dawe he has no knowledge so has referred it to the US Office.
Regards
FF

Does the man never rest? - it is 7:00 pm on a public holiday.

 

[Fact Finder]

I wonder if anyone has considered the kind of cpu use case these are intended for… I wonder what other dot folks can think of. That’s all I will say, all completely imaginative thinking on my part.

Time machine or worm hole key?

 

[AusEire]

Does the man never rest? - it is 7:00 pm on a public holiday.

It's an email from FF mate. This must be answered

 

[zeeb0t]

Time machine or worm hole key?

You mentioned a few four letter words but it’s another four letter word / name I have in my mind.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Great find Fullmoon, and worth the wait. I think we have to accept China as a major consumer of Akida. The Chinese market is a major part of Renesas’s business. Haven’t looked at it but I guess they are a big part of MegaChips business too.

Thanks mate.

When I started putting it together was having second thoughts about the connection but convinced myself haha

 

[Diogenese]

I wonder if anyone has considered the kind of cpu use case these are intended for… I wonder what other dot folks can think of. That’s all I will say, all completely imaginative thinking on my part.

Hi @Fullmoonfever

This is an extraordinary piece of sleuthing and has significance regardless of the fine detail.

To possibly resolve the level of significance so that no one is misled I have sent two emails to the company giving them the opportunity to address this discovery so as to prevent the creation of a false market in Brainchip shares.

I will let all here know the moment I have a reply.

Regards
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

I think the Simula eX3 project is a research project by a consortium of Norwegian Universities and partners.

https://www.ex3.simula.no/mission

The eX3 project​

Together with partners, Simula Research Laboratory has established eX3 to become the previously missing national resource that can prepare researchers for exascale computing in Norway. The eX3 infrastructure is currently funded for five years through the RCN program for national research infrastructures. In addition to the host institution Simula, the project consortium also counts the national HPC management body Sigma2, HPC research groups from the University of Tromsø, NTNU, the University of Bergen, and OsloMet, as well as the HPC technology providers Graphcore, Dolphin Interconnect Solutions, and Numascale.

The eX3 infrastructure is not an exascale computer by itself, but it is a carefully curated ecosystem of technology components that will be crucial for embracing exascale computing. It will allow HPC researchers throughout Norway and their collaborators to experiment hands-on with emerging HPC technologies – hardware as well as software.

Reluctant oger:

 

[zeeb0t]

I think the Simula eX3 project is a research project by a consortium of Norwegian Universities and partners.

https://www.ex3.simula.no/mission

The eX3 project​

Together with partners, Simula Research Laboratory has established eX3 to become the previously missing national resource that can prepare researchers for exascale computing in Norway. The eX3 infrastructure is currently funded for five years through the RCN program for national research infrastructures. In addition to the host institution Simula, the project consortium also counts the national HPC management body Sigma2, HPC research groups from the University of Tromsø, NTNU, the University of Bergen, and OsloMet, as well as the HPC technology providers Graphcore, Dolphin Interconnect Solutions, and Numascale.

The eX3 infrastructure is not an exascale computer by itself, but it is a carefully curated ecosystem of technology components that will be crucial for embracing exascale computing. It will allow HPC researchers throughout Norway and their collaborators to experiment hands-on with emerging HPC technologies – hardware as well as software.

Reluctant oger:

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It depends who paired the Akida to Huawei’s Kunpeng and who else may be interested in such a pairing and has openly spoken of that relevance in the space Kunpeng would also service… that’s what I’m saying. Dots and more dots.

 

[Diogenese]

Hi @Fullmoonfever

This is an extraordinary piece of sleuthing and has significance regardless of the fine detail.

To possibly resolve the level of significance so that no one is misled I have sent two emails to the company giving them the opportunity to address this discovery so as to prevent the creation of a false market in Brainchip shares.

I will let all here know the moment I have a reply.

Regards
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

Hi FF,

Did you ask Tony re Huawei or Simula eX3, or both?

 

[Papacass]

Hi @Diogenese,
I don’t quite get why this piece of 1000 eyes info gets a reluctant ogre. I know it’s not a direct link to the Chinese telco but surely Akida being used experimentally for potential data centre use is extremely promising. May push Dell in the right direction. Am I missing something. PS love your work. Cheers.

 

[Diogenese]

Hi @Diogenese,
I don’t quite get why this piece of 1000 eyes info gets a reluctant ogre. I know it’s not a direct link to the Chinese telco but surely Akida being used experimentally for potential data centre use is extremely promising. May push Dell in the right direction. Am I missing something. PS love your work. Cheers.

Hi Papacass,

The reluctant ogre was in relation to the Akida/Huawei connexion, not the Akida/eX3 connexion.

 

[Papacass]

Hi Papacass,

The reluctant ogre was in relation to the Akida/Haiwei connexion, not the Akida/eX3 connexion.

Gotcha. Thanks brother.

 

[Stable Genius]

Hi @Diogenese,
I don’t quite get why this piece of 1000 eyes info gets a reluctant ogre. I know it’s not a direct link to the Chinese telco but surely Akida being used experimentally for potential data centre use is extremely promising. May push Dell in the right direction. Am I missing something. PS love your work. Cheers.

I didn’t know what a EX3 is so I’ve googled it: essentially it’s a super-computer:

eX3 in a nutshell - a new feature article

Supercomputers can help scientist achieve impressive feats of computing, like producing up-to-date weather forecasts and the cybersecurity measures that keep our bank accounts safe. Many of today’s technological advancements would be impossible without the processing power of supercomputers.

www.simula.no

I‘m guessing it’s awesome validation for Akida to be used in this way!

I haven’t worked out the scale, volume of sales or how much this is worth to Brainchip?


Without any computing knowledge my thoughts are a company like Dell could be looking to use Akida in this way also which is what I think Zeebot has hinted at and big P has stated also.

We’ve all been wondering when Dell are going to put their hand up and I would be very happy to have them onboard!

Selfish I admit but I’m still trying to accumulate so I’m hopeful this doesn’t force a media announcement or someone to break cover yet!

Cheers all!

 

[Learning]

Apols, bit later than thought.

Anyway, haven't had time to do a deep dive as just on and quick skim hasn't shown any official docs I can find with Akida spelt out but probs to be expected.

Was re-reading on my laptop now what I found when on my phone and actually it's maybe a little ambiguous.

Thoughts anyone? I know mine.

Was searching procurement / supply keyword variations and came across eX3 which is a funded Norwegian based research program around HPC / Exascale computing. Further down I'll explain my thinking.

The eX3 project​

"Together with partners, Simula Research Laboratory has established eX3 to become the previously missing national resource that can prepare researchers for exascale computing in Norway. The eX3 infrastructure is currently funded for five years through the RCN program for national research infrastructures. In addition to the host institution Simula, the project consortium also counts the national HPC management body Sigma2, HPC research groups from the University of Tromsø, NTNU, the University of Bergen, and OsloMet, as well as the HPC technology providers Graphcore, Dolphin Interconnect Solutions, and Numascale.

The eX3 infrastructure is not an exascale computer by itself, but it is a carefully curated ecosystem of technology components that will be crucial for embracing exascale computing. It will allow HPC researchers throughout Norway and their collaborators to experiment hands-on with emerging HPC technologies – hardware as well as software."

So, this project has established procurement of various HW as part of their resources.

"The eX3 infrastructure is continuously under build-up and reconfiguration in order to keep up-to-date with the technology development. The following hardware resources, acquired in the first phase procurement, are currently available."

So, this is where it got interesting as part of their HW inventory is the Huawei TaiShan 200 server with the KunPeng 920 processor.

Resources — eX3

Resources

www.ex3.simula.no

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A bit further down was the Akida NPU details but referring to the above.

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So, my first thinking was Huawei are using Akida in the KunPeng then reading again I'm wondering if it's something aftermarket that eX3 have added as part of their research?

I believe my first thoughts re Huawei are probs correct though.

Some additional snips and other links below I've started trying to get through.

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Industry leading server ARM CPU..

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The 920 also being looked at for DT boards...whether will inc Akida...who knows.

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CSDL | IEEE Computer Society

www.computer.org

Kunpeng 920: The First 7-nm Chiplet-Based 64-Core ARM SoC for Cloud Services​

Sept.-Oct. 2021, pp. 67-75, vol. 41

Abstract​

Kunpeng 920 is the second generation server processor designed by HiSilicon based on ARM architecture. Kunpeng 920 is able to achieve cost efficiency for various workloads through using a variety of chiplets and hybrid process technologies. The unique recomposition(s) of these flexible chipsets allows new designs to be created. The Kunpeng series processors combine technology innovations from various levels to improve efficiency, eliminate bottlenecks, and deliver value and performance. Its key features are as follows: The Kunpeng 920 core is specifically designed with superscalar architecture with the support of vector extension to provide leading features for high-performance computing applications; the coherent cache subsystem is created to integrate multicores into single chiplet (e.g., 7-nm process node) with a ring design that is ultralow-latency (<; 15 ns), nonblocking and bufferless; a dedicated parallel small-IO block is developed to achieve high-bandwidth (e.g., 400 GB/s) interdie connection for 2-D package solutions; IO die is redesigned (e.g., 16-nm process) so that the latest standard interface (e.g., PCI4.0) can be leveraged to scale up the System on a Chip (SoCs) and connect them with other IO devices; two or four Kunpeng 920 can work together as single symmetric multiprocessor system with cache coherent nonuniform memory access fabric.

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Fantastic find FMF, and thank you for spending your Good Friday holiday sharing your work.

On the political correctness side, I wish to share my opinion.

I come from an Asian background and the Chinese did conquer my mother land for 1000 years. However, as I had grew up in Australia, I have become indifferent regarding of our history with China. What I see in the current world climate is; China is like every other nation around the world, its has its good and bad side. (Some will say more good, than bad.)

We, who are in Western nation, may not like the way, CCP operates, but we can't deny the fact, that's major of products we use for everyday necessary come from Chinese manufacturers, by the Chinese people.

So in relation to Akida being use by the Chinese, I strongly believe it will be a great out come for Brainchip. I understand when its get use for destructive technology, then it should be a no go.
However, Akida is versatile, and could be a new paradigm in technology and medicine. All things being equal. So should the good of technology and medicine for a better world.

Learning.

 

[SharesForBrekky]

Just having a browse through the Simula EX3 website and came across this research project:

AutoCSP: Self-Supervised Neuro-Symbolic Solvers for Constraint Satisfaction

Simula performs high-quality research, specialised in 5 research areas within information and communication technology. Learn more.

www.simula.no

Interesting, Akida could possibly be involved but not too sure.

 

[Build-it]

Thanks mate.

When I started putting it together was having second thoughts about the connection but convinced myself haha

Great get FMF and a well formatted post.

It appears we have hit another one of our target markets and it is exactly what the company has told us.

Imo when BRN deal directly with a company/country and feel Akida would not be used appropriately or not in line with BRN’s value's they may reject the offer.

We have ramped up our sales department including larger offices and are in search off the best candidates to fill many roles to execute our "go to market" plan.

Good Friday to all.

Edge compute.

 

[Fact Finder]

Hi FF,

Did you ask Tony re Huawei or Simula eX3, or both?

Hi @Diogenese

I sent two emails.

One to Tony and one to someone in the US.

Both were in identical terms and provided the following extract:

“AKIDA NEURAL PROCESSOR​

The KunPeng CPU nodes (see above) hosts four Akida Neural Processors from BrainChip. These processors are designed specifically for neuromorphic computing”

I then asked the following 2 simple questions:

“If not true I can nip it in the bud instantly.

If true it might have ASX implications for the company.”

Regards
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Slade]

Thanks mate.

When I started putting it together was having second thoughts about the connection but convinced myself haha

After reading your research you have certainly got me excited!

Well, one thing is for sure, someone has added Akida to a Huawei processor to improve performance. If not Huawei, it will have certainly got their attention.

 

[AL137393]

Personally I think it’s a good thing if Chinese companies utilise Akida. Tesla/Microsoft and all the big name have made hugh profit from the Chinese market. You just can’t ignore the revenue coming from there.