BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Diogenese]

Correct me if i am wrong but i believe Edge Impulse itself is not a neuromorphic system. It is a machine learning development platform. AKIDA 1000 gives Edge Impulse access to Neuromorphic capabilities.
The Qualcomm core is a traditional system. If it wants Neuromorphic capabilities it has to import it from a 3rd party.
Qualcomm may or may not want Edge Impulse for what it has developed using AKIDA 1000?
Its wait and see.

Qualcomm have their in-house Hexagon NPU which grew out of a DSP:

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/technology/processors/hexagon
The star of the Qualcomm® AI Engine
The Hexagon NPU, designed from the ground up for accelerating AI inference at low power, features the industry’s most advanced NPU architecture—evolving along with the development of new AI use cases, models, and requirements.


... but it's pretty feeble as they share the AI load between the NPU, CPU, and GPU with increasing load.

What is the benefit of heterogeneous computing for AI?​

Heterogeneous computing for AI allows new AI instructions or hardware accelerators to be inserted into each processor. This processor diversity allows the architecture to continuously evolve for heterogenous computing features, in turn maximizing performance and power efficiency. This is beneficial as most other chipset vendors typically license several third-party processors, which cannot guarantee if they will fit or work under the same constraints.

The Qualcomm AI Engine, featured in our Snapdragon platforms and many of our other products, is at the core of our on-device AI and heterogenous computing advantage. With the CPU, GPU, NPU and Qualcomm Sensing Hub all working together and the result of many years of full-stack AI optimization, the Qualcomm AI Engine provides best-in-class on-device AI performance at extremely low power to support use cases today and in the future.

https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam/qcomm-martech/dm-assets/images/uploads/npus.png

 

[DingoBorat]

I presume Edge Impulse partnered with us because we make the Edge Impulse product better. In turn Dragonwing gets the neuromorphic AI it can only get from a 3rd party.
We all know the benefits of using AKIDA 1000.

Dragonwing is already a developed and implemented suite of products.

Dragonwing | Qualcomm

Powered by leading-edge on-device AI, computing, and connectivity, Dragonwing products and solutions unlock potential, so today’s industries and businesses can scale to new heights.

www.qualcomm.com

Not saying they "can't" add some neuromorphic sauce later, but they don't "need" it now.

Plus Qualcomm is an American Company and many here, seem to want to exclude BrainChip from the US markets, until they have proven themselves in other smaller markets.

 

[Diogenese]

For what it's worth, although I’m sure it’s not much, I always felt Qualcomm had more to gain by siding with us. That said, I honestly wouldn’t know a semiconductor from a piece of toast.

My thoughts tend to focus on "efficiency", and I’m not convinced Qualcomm can match us when it comes to ultra-low power performance???

Qualcomm have been circling around Prophesee, but Prophesee seemingly found its perfect match with us. So, let’s just wait and see how this plays out.

From my completely non-technical perspective, I’ve always thought Qualcomm’s real challenge lay in areas like gesture recognition where an event-based, ultra-low power approach (i.e. Prophesee+BrainChip) might be the answer. They have always touted their "low power" capabilities, but I’ve had the feeling that we might present an opportunity to help them improve.

Time will tell.

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Akida models are unique. Many of them have been built with Edge Impulse.

Let's hope the BRN/Edge Impulse NDA is watertight.

PS: Semiconductors are more like chips than toast.

 

[Diogenese]

Akida models are unique. Many of them have been built with Edge Impulse.

Let's hope the BRN/Edge Impulse NDA is watertight.

PS: Semiconductors are more like chips than toast.

I'd missed the outcome of the ARM/qualcomm/Nuvia licence breach litigation:

https://www.xda-developers.com/qualcomm-vs-arm-lawsuit-finished/

Spoiler: Qualcomm won.

 

[manny100]

Qualcomm have their in-house Hexagon NPU which grew out of a DSP:

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/technology/processors/hexagon
The star of the Qualcomm® AI Engine
The Hexagon NPU, designed from the ground up for accelerating AI inference at low power, features the industry’s most advanced NPU architecture—evolving along with the development of new AI use cases, models, and requirements.


... but it's pretty feeble as they share the AI load between the NPU, CPU, and GPU with increasing load.

What is the benefit of heterogeneous computing for AI?​

Heterogeneous computing for AI allows new AI instructions or hardware accelerators to be inserted into each processor. This processor diversity allows the architecture to continuously evolve for heterogenous computing features, in turn maximizing performance and power efficiency. This is beneficial as most other chipset vendors typically license several third-party processors, which cannot guarantee if they will fit or work under the same constraints.

The Qualcomm AI Engine, featured in our Snapdragon platforms and many of our other products, is at the core of our on-device AI and heterogenous computing advantage. With the CPU, GPU, NPU and Qualcomm Sensing Hub all working together and the result of many years of full-stack AI optimization, the Qualcomm AI Engine provides best-in-class on-device AI performance at extremely low power to support use cases today and in the future.

https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam/qcomm-martech/dm-assets/images/uploads/npus.png

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Thanks, just checked Qualcomm's description of dragonwing.
It says "powered by leading-edge on- device, AI, computing and connectivity"
It does mention Neuromorphic AI at all but 'leading-edge on-device confuses things a little.

Dragonwing | Qualcomm

Powered by leading-edge on-device AI, computing, and connectivity, Dragonwing products and solutions unlock potential, so today’s industries and businesses can scale to new heights.

www.qualcomm.com

 

[Bravo]

Just checking out some of the "likes" again on Tony Lewis' recent LinkedIn post.

Embedded World in Nuremberg, Germany awaits! | M Anthony Lewis

Embedded World in Nuremberg, Germany awaits! BrainChip's moment to shine! Wednesday of next week, I will be presenting at Embedded World in Nuremberg, Germany, where I will discuss our groundbreaking advancements in Brain-Inspired Computing at BrainChip. Our innovative approach encompasses...

www.linkedin.com

 

[manny100]

Thanks, just checked Qualcomm's description of dragonwing.
It says "powered by leading-edge on- device, AI, computing and connectivity"
It does mention Neuromorphic AI at all but 'leading-edge on-device confuses things a little.

Dragonwing | Qualcomm

Powered by leading-edge on-device AI, computing, and connectivity, Dragonwing products and solutions unlock potential, so today’s industries and businesses can scale to new heights.

www.qualcomm.com

Qualcomm Ann.

Qualcomm to Bolster AI and IoT Capabilities with Edge Impulse Acquisition | Qualcomm

Enables more than 170,000 developers to create, deploy, and monitor AI models for a wide range of edge applications and hardware

www.qualcomm.com

 

[Beebo]

Maybe, just maybe, redomiciling to the US is also intended to facilitate potential M&A. Companies tend to ‘clean house’ years in advance of strategic maneuvers.

Would ARM be interested in BRN?
Would AVGO be interested in BRN?
Would QCOM be interested in BRN?

 

[manny100]

I forgot that Edge Impulse has integrated AKIDA into its platform and according to the BRN news release in Jan'25 is a key partner in our Edge Box.
Edge Impulse in our Edge Box in Jan'25 and taken over by Qualcomm in March'25.. . hmmmm.

 

[manny100]

Qualcomm have now got access to Neuromorphic AI and its benefits through the back door.
I would not be surprised if we see Qualcomm develop some Neuromirphic chips. They have rooms full of developers who will enjoy playing with the Edge Impulse Platform containing AKIDA.

 

[Esq.111]

Morning Chippers ,

Found this article interesting, from memory we were involved with.... ( Ericsson )??.. in a paper on this very topic not that long ago.

Self powering sensors,

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/iot-breakthrough-lets-battery-free-devices-power-up-from-environment.html

Regards,
Esq.

 

[IloveLamp]

Front Page - RISC-V in Space Workshop 2025

Exploring the latest innovations, applications, and challenges of RISC-V architecture in the space sector.

www.risc-v.space

Sandi Habinc on LinkedIn: #riscv #spacecomputing

We have an impressive list of sponsors and exhibitors lined up for the RISC-V in Space Workshop in Gothenburg on 2-3 April 2025. Just three weeks away, but…

www.linkedin.com

 

[IloveLamp]

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. | BrainChip

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. Using PROPHESEE’s EV4 development camera, in conjunction with Akida 2 FPGA platform enables low-latency, ultra-low...

www.linkedin.com

BrainChip Demonstrates Event-based Vision at Embedded World 2025

BrainChip Demonstrates Event-based Vision at Embedded World 2025 Laguna Hills, Calif. – March 10, 2025 – BrainChip Holdings Ltd (ASX: BRN, OTCQX: BRCHF, ADR: BCHPY), the world’s first commercial producer of ultra-low power, fully digital, event-based, brain-inspired AI, today announced that it...

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[charles2]

Anyone paying attention....BRN and we are counting on it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brainchip-demonstrates-event-based-vision-202500713.html

Sure looks like Prophesee hasn't vanished

 

[Balliwood]

Brainchip reality



I am an old man, who was into system analysis and pattern recognition 60 years ago so I was a soft target when I learned of Brainchip, 10 years back. W.A. has seemed like the California of Australia, with many bright, young companies in so many fields. One could imagine an organic progression for Brainchip, from local adoption, to expansion into Asia, then Europe and the USA. So I was dismayed by the emergence of a focus on the US - card detection in Las Vegas, then Studio, then an office in California, then the appointment of a manifestly inadequate CEO, whose IP strategy was all wrong for an emerging technology, to the shutting down of the Parth research centre, to now, when this IP company is almost entirely supported by a 4-year old chip (3 year lead?), yet without the wherewithal to make a successor.



We are still perceived as an Aussie minnow, whose NDA prospects will not sign up, clever as we are, lest we do not survive. So, the theory goes, we must redomicile to the US, to appear on their exchanges, in order to be taken seriously..



But all our staff are in USA, most of our marketing is there. Our malaise is deeper than ASX or Nasdaq. I think we have stalled, just as the wave is passing under us. Where is our new leader, paddling hard, hanging 10 and whooping us down the face?

 

[TheUnfairAdvantage]

Qualcomm have now got access to Neuromorphic AI and its benefits through the back door.
I would not be surprised if we see Qualcomm develop some Neuromirphic chips. They have rooms full of developers who will enjoy playing with the Edge Impulse Platform containing AKIDA.

I think it is safe to say that money and power has won the day. Qualcomm seem to have strategically cut Brainchip off at the pass with this blocking stake in Edge Impulse. They, like every other chip company are going to favour their in house developed technology. Dragon wing is most likely going to be front and centre in future development work through edge impulse. Unlikely they will be allowing third party products in any back door.

Like Dio said, this is probably why Brainchip have multiple enablement partners. One trick ponies have a habit of been sent to the cannery when lame.

I still haven’t seen any likes on LinkedIn from Brainchip on this acquisition. It’s highly likely they are unimpressed. Might explain why Edge Impulse aren’t presenting with them at embedded world at Germany.

Edit: Steve Brightfield likes it. Why? Time will tell?

 

[Cyw]

Anyone paying attention....BRN and we are counting on it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brainchip-demonstrates-event-based-vision-202500713.html

Sure looks like Prophesee hasn't vanished

I was reading this article, not that interesting but makes me think about the Brainchip CEO being attacked by shareholders for not making any meaningful sales. Prophesee has been developing chips using Akida for years. They are now only demonstrating motion sensing. Sounds like still a long way before there will be any saleable products on the market using the chips/technology.

I bought into Brainchip early as I thought the adoption of new technology these days are very quick. But now thinking back, that may be only after the prodcuts are in the market. The iPhone 3 was a big success and took no time before everyone got one but how many years was it on the drawing board before it went to market?

I can understand people wanting to get rich overnight, me included, but we might just have to be that little bit more patient. Brainchip does not sell anything to the general consumer, they only sell the intelligence and knowledge showing people how it can make their edge facing prodcuts that much more effective and efficient.

If Prophese is still working on it, I am sure others like Megachips, MagikEye, Reneses, Arms etc. are also busy designing chips using Akida. The fiinal products are just not in the market yet.

When? I don't know, but the recent success in the areospace industry is surely indicating that the technology works and some of the most brilliant engineers are now working to make rockets fly better. Brainchip seems to be doing a lot of right things, like making the technology better (TENNS, Pico etc), partnering with the worlds best chip makers, car manufacturers, rockert builders and show casing our technology in every AI venue worth doing etc.

So instead of just bitching about management not doing anything for the shareholders, may be they need a pat on the back once in a while to show our understanding and keep their morale up.

I just hope Brainchip will make it big before they run out of our support.

 

[supersonic001]

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. | BrainChip

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. Using PROPHESEE’s EV4 development camera, in conjunction with Akida 2 FPGA platform enables low-latency, ultra-low...

www.linkedin.com

 

[Smoothsailing]

Qualcomm isn’t God nor do they own the entire market. Brainchip has a well established ecosystem now and we will be financially successful this year 100% thanks to Sean and the teams hard work
Go brainchip

 

[Esq.111]

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. | BrainChip

BrainChip will be at #EmbeddedWorld2025 in Nuremberg, Germany, March 11-13, demonstrating event-based vision capabilities of its Akida processor technology at Hall 5, Booth 213. Using PROPHESEE’s EV4 development camera, in conjunction with Akida 2 FPGA platform enables low-latency, ultra-low...

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Morning Chippers ,

In the above picture, the box , has our company name on it.

This , to myself, is a NEW physical product . Unless of course thay simply slapped a sticker on it ?.

All will be revealed when Tony lifts his arms I guess.

Regards,
Esq.