BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Diogenese]

Hey man.. What are you talking about?..
Why can't you just chill, sit back and dig how beautiful everything is?..

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But seriously, I think it's a bit hard to have "sales targets" with something as nascent as AKIDA.

The Company does have goals though, to be the default standard and/or one of the 3 main Global players, in the Edge space.

The Company is working towards these goals.

I don't see Akida in the same light as a COTS product, a vanilla product to be marketed into a static market, and I don't see much point in getting exercised about the teething troubles of the last few years.

1. We have a radically advanced product which, while it will change the whole concept of computing, is unfamiliar to the market.

2. von Neumann computer architecture has been around for over 70 years and has given sterling service with its precision digital mathematics.

3. SNNs do not use precision mathematics. They use probability.

4. The market is a moving target. The AI market has undergone the most rapid changes ever experienced in the field of computing in general and AI in particular.

5. The company has chosen the most difficult market segment to get a toe-hold in, IP licensing.

In relation to point 5, the success or otherwise of the Edge Box may provide an indication of whether the company should have pursued a dual course. However, that option seems to have been closed as far as Akida 2 is concerned. Nevertheless, the Edge Box is being prepared to do battle with a functionally similar product incorporating Nvidia's Jetson processor., a contest I expect we will win on the points of cost, latency, and power, while providing comparable accuracy.

Yes, the waiting is excruciating - the rewards will be ... rewarding.

 

[Smoothsailing]

I don't see Akida in the same light as a COTS product, a vanilla product to be marketed into a static market, and I don't see much point in getting exercised about the teething troubles of the last few years.

1. We have a radically advanced product which, while it will change the whole concept of computing, is unfamiliar to the market.

2. von Neumann computer architecture has been around for over 70 years and has given sterling service with its precision digital mathematics.

3. SNNs do not use precision mathematics. They use probability.

4. The market is a moving target. The AI market has undergone the most rapid changes ever experienced in the field of computing in general and AI in particular.

5. The company has chosen the most difficult market segment to get a toe-hold in, IP licensing.

In relation to point 5, the success or otherwise of the Edge Box may provide an indication of whether the company should have pursued a dual course. However, that option seems to have been closed as far as Akida 2 is concerned. Nevertheless, the Edge Box is being prepared to do battle with a functionally similar product incorporating Nvidia's Jetson processor., a contest I expect we will win on the points of cost, latency, and power, while providing comparable accuracy.

Yes, the waiting is excruciating - the rewards will be rewarding.

As Sean chooses the IP Model with the intent to become ubiquitous I feel the edge box will work as a stepping stone to companies rather than any lost opportunity. Iam no expert on much however BRN technology does seem to be as Peter says a secret sauce which can be poorer on anything and makes it better. The playing field is huge as AI is the future and we will be available to offer everyone that wants AI through these Eco systems, enablers , founders and partners which Sean has put together, The team he has put together to make BRN ubiquitous is unbelievable. It’s not their first Rodeo so I recon we can feel safe from what has been achieved since Sean restructuring.
Happy days ahead for those with the ability to hold. I have been holding now since listing and feel it’s our time to win.
Go Brainchip 2024 come on

 

[GStocks123]

German university experimenting with Akida from 27sec mark.

 

[manny100]

I don't see Akida in the same light as a COTS product, a vanilla product to be marketed into a static market, and I don't see much point in getting exercised about the teething troubles of the last few years.

1. We have a radically advanced product which, while it will change the whole concept of computing, is unfamiliar to the market.

2. von Neumann computer architecture has been around for over 70 years and has given sterling service with its precision digital mathematics.

3. SNNs do not use precision mathematics. They use probability.

4. The market is a moving target. The AI market has undergone the most rapid changes ever experienced in the field of computing in general and AI in particular.

5. The company has chosen the most difficult market segment to get a toe-hold in, IP licensing.

In relation to point 5, the success or otherwise of the Edge Box may provide an indication of whether the company should have pursued a dual course. However, that option seems to have been closed as far as Akida 2 is concerned. Nevertheless, the Edge Box is being prepared to do battle with a functionally similar product incorporating Nvidia's Jetson processor., a contest I expect we will win on the points of cost, latency, and power, while providing comparable accuracy.

Yes, the waiting is excruciating - the rewards will be rewarding.

When you have your CEO say that NVIDIA is not really true AI at the Edge you know you have a radical product offering.
Just to ensure context Sean was not referring to NVIDIA's existing magnificent AI traditional offerings. He was referring to the true Edge which is non cloud.

 

[Frangipani]

German university experimenting with Akida from 27sec mark.

Hi GStocks123,

you beat me to it - was just about to post a link to that video as well. It describes two separate experiments involving Akida:

The video actually goes along with a paper @Fullmoonfever shared a couple of days ago:

Recent paper from a few days ago.

Utilising Akida, Loihi and DynappCNN for the analysis.

Interesting who partially funded the research

Full paper HERE

@Diogenese may appreciate the technical details more.


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And the paper’s first author, Andreas Ziegler (who also seems to be the speaker in the video, given his distinct Swiss German accent and intonation in English), is the link to Sony AI here:

This young gentleman has an impressive CV, including an MSc at ETH Zürich as well as internships at Disney Research Zürich and Prophesee. He is currently pursuing his PhD on event-based vision for fast robot control at the University of Tübingen in collaboration with Sony AI Zürich, where he holds a job as research scientist. Great to know he and his co-authors are experimenting with Akida!

 

[DK6161]

German university experimenting with Akida from 27sec mark.

Very cool. Wish the video was longer with added birds eye view and movement tracking

 

[SharesForBrekky]

Interesting views from Jensen Huang about AI taking over the future of gaming:

Nvidia CEO reckons your GPU will be replaced with AI in "5-10 years"

Speaking during a Q&A session following the Nvidia GTC keynote, Jensen Huang shares his thoughts on the future of game rendering via AI.

www.pcgamesn.com

"Technologies powered by artificial intelligence (AI) have been used to enhance GeForce graphics cards for several years now, but its growing capabilities could soon find GPUs out of the driver’s seat in the future. This is according to Nvidia CEO, Jensen Huang, who envisions a future in which every pixel of a game is generated by AI within the next decade."

"During the Q&A session Huang was asked: “How far do you think we are in this world where every pixel is generated at real-time frame rates? And what is your vision for gaming and non-gaming experiences in that new paradigm?”

Huang’s response was somewhat lengthy, and we’ve included it below, but for the sake of brevity we’ll zoom in on a few claims he made, specifically: “We’re probably already two years into it. And so I would say that within the next five to ten years.”

"As someone who frequently uses DLSS upscaling, I’ve already become well accustomed to games partly rendered by AI. With this in mind, the idea of my GPU becoming subservient to, or replaced by, a neural processing unit (NPU) doesn’t feel like an impossible future."

 

[jtardif999]

You're correct, not toasters, not ovens, what are they selling? Please show me. Evidence, not dot joining

If you could instead of pretending to be a know it all smart ass, insinuating I have no idea what they do and what they sell and how hard it is, why don't you enlighten me so I understand instead that rubbish? I asked that we have a conversation and peoples thoughts, you come up with that. I've already said that I am unsure of what the expectations should be. I know that if the agents I work with don't send me clients in the previous 12 months I don't renew their contracts. They only get rewarded with a contract once they introduce new clients. I'm not going to keep wasting my time and money on people that can't deliver.

I am 99% sure if we went back in time, 3 years and said this is where would will be in 2024, I think quite a few would be disappointed. The CEO's own words suggested we would be much further down the road than we are today. So we just say, oh well it takes time. Pantene people. So yeah lets discuss it. They're not selling toasters, explain the whole thought in that statement. And, what timeframe do you believe is acceptable?

Go back to HC and see what peoples thoughts were about 2022, 2023 and now 2024. Go back on this site to the last AGM and look at peoples expectations. But god forbid if we were to hold the BOD responsible for those "not achieved expectation" GO BACK TO HC YOU DOWNRAMPER!" lol.

We’ve been over the ground of why 3 years ago they were confident of getting earlier success. The emergence of GenAI changed all those expectations.

“I am unsure of what the expectations should be. I know that if the agents I work with don't send me clients in the previous 12 months I don't renew their contracts. They only get rewarded with a contract once they introduce new clients.”

Are you telling us that in the last 12 months BrainChip haven’t signed any new clients? Tell that one to @Esq.111 who has the number of partners now at 64.

“They are not selling toasters” they have a pipeline of progress on ‘sales’. To get to an IP deal to the stage of being signed there would be a lot more than just you get to play with Akida and then make a decision. There would be something like the following:

1) Initial contact with a potential client to discuss a use case they might have.
2) If there’s no use case then they might like to trial the tech and see if they can come up with one.
3) Develop a prototype for a solution of a particular use case using the ADE.
4) Test the prototype and rinse and repeat dev until satisfying a solution.
5) Create a proper design once the prototype has been satisfied. This step could take a while and btw at this point is the product a device that Akida IP is going to be embedded into or is the client company just making and selling chips with our IP like Renesas?
6) Tape out the design into silicon and test the silicon, again going to take significant time.
7) If the client company is putting the silicon with Akida embedded into a device, they wouldn't have to sign an IP deal with BrainChip until they mass produce the device. This may take years since they might consider holding off until the time is ripe to sell the product in volume.

So 3-12 months from when new/existing customers get their hands on Akida2 IP isn’t going to result in IP contracts imo. More likely 3-4 years. It’s possible some of our original EAPs could be closer to closing a deal though. We all hope something will drop soon..

 

[Guzzi62]

German university experimenting with Akida from 27sec mark.

Nice but Mr Robort is standing still not moving at all?
Almost like they feed the ball to him?
A longer clip would be nice

 

[Pom down under]

Nice but Mr Robort is standing still not moving at all?
Almost like they feed the ball to him?
A longer clip would be nice

Maybe we should email them to get the robot to dance, would that make you happy?

 

[manny100]

We’ve been over the ground of why 3 years ago they were confident of getting earlier success. The emergence of GenAI changed all those expectations.

“I am unsure of what the expectations should be. I know that if the agents I work with don't send me clients in the previous 12 months I don't renew their contracts. They only get rewarded with a contract once they introduce new clients.”

Are you telling us that in the last 12 months BrainChip haven’t signed any new clients? Tell that one to @Esq.111 who has the number of partners now at 64.

“They are not selling toasters” they have a pipeline of progress on ‘sales’. To get to an IP deal to the stage of being signed there would be a lot more than just you get to play with Akida and then make a decision. There would be something like the following:

1) Initial contact with a potential client to discuss a use case they might have.
2) If there’s no use case then they might like to trial the tech and see if they can come up with one.
3) Develop a prototype for a solution of a particular use case using the ADE.
4) Test the prototype and rinse and repeat dev until satisfying a solution.
5) Create a proper design once the prototype has been satisfied. This step could take a while and btw at this point is the product a device that Akida IP is going to be embedded into or is the client company just making and selling chips with our IP like Renesas?
6) Tape out the design into silicon and test the silicon, again going to take significant time.
7) If the client company is putting the silicon with Akida embedded into a device, they wouldn't have to sign an IP deal with BrainChip until they mass produce the device. This may take years since they might consider holding off until the time is ripe to sell the product in volume.

So 3-12 months from when new/existing customers get their hands on Akida2 IP isn’t going to result in IP contracts imo. More likely 3-4 years. It’s possible some of our original EAPs could be closer to closing a deal though. We all hope something will drop soon..

Yes, it seems strange that in this fast paced world by the time we get new tech to the market its actually 3 to 5 years old.
New phones which most of us own contain tech 3 or 5 years old due to testing planning etc.
Hard to get your head around it as we think we are using the latest whiz bang.
Looking forward to AKIDA Gen 3 details.

 

[TECH]

Good morning all,

Over the last year or two I have posted links to Accenture Global Solutions Patents that have us in the artwork, or more to the
point, Akida Neural Processor mentioned, interestingly Accenture has recently mentioned Brainchip for the first time that I can
recall, anyway it certainly sounds promising, make of it what you will.

The link below is the latest one which is dated only 4 days ago, 21 March 2024

Espacenet – search results

Espacenet: free access to millions of patent documents. Find out if your invention is unique or if other inventors have filed patent applications that are considered to be prior art.

worldwide.espacenet.com

 

[Food4 thought]

Trying a little reverse psychology

It’s going to be another boring week on the asx again with no announcements from our CEO or Board of Directors so over these dam asx announcements

 

[cosors]

Trying a little reverse psychology

It’s going to be another boring week on the asx again with no announcements from our CEO or Board of Directors so over these dam asx announcements

If I just look at the TSE platform it's absolutely peaceful boring in terms of ASX news. We don't get any more.

 

[Pom down under]

Trying a little reverse psychology

It’s going to be another boring week on the asx again with no announcements from our CEO or Board of Directors so over these dam asx announcements

 

[IloveLamp]

Nvidia GTC: China Supply Chain Syndrome

Battle lines in the automotive industry are being drawn over batteries, processors, and connectivity with auto makers and suppliers exhibiting Solomonic wisdom straddling both sides of the divide as politicians prepare to tear the supply chain in half. Nvidia's GTC event last week highlighted the te

www.linkedin.com

 

[Smoothsailing]

Good morning all,

Over the last year or two I have posted links to Accenture Global Solutions Patents that have us in the artwork, or more to the
point, Akida Neural Processor mentioned, interestingly Accenture has recently mentioned Brainchip for the first time that I can
recall, anyway it certainly sounds promising, make of it what you will.

The link below is the latest one which is dated only 4 days ago, 21 March 2024

Espacenet – search results

Espacenet: free access to millions of patent documents. Find out if your invention is unique or if other inventors have filed patent applications that are considered to be prior art.

worldwide.espacenet.com

This is HUGE to have patents with BRN mentioned in they are a Massive company, very good indeed.
The snow ball is definitely gaining momentum

 

[AI_Inquirer]

Good morning all,

Over the last year or two I have posted links to Accenture Global Solutions Patents that have us in the artwork, or more to the
point, Akida Neural Processor mentioned, interestingly Accenture has recently mentioned Brainchip for the first time that I can
recall, anyway it certainly sounds promising, make of it what you will.

The link below is the latest one which is dated only 4 days ago, 21 March 2024

Espacenet – search results

Espacenet: free access to millions of patent documents. Find out if your invention is unique or if other inventors have filed patent applications that are considered to be prior art.

worldwide.espacenet.com

I like how they repeatedly mention that they've implemented it on a "client's device."

 

[Smoothsailing]

I like how they repeatedly mention that they've implemented it on a "client's device."

Who could it be

 

[Euks]

We’ve been over the ground of why 3 years ago they were confident of getting earlier success. The emergence of GenAI changed all those expectations.

“I am unsure of what the expectations should be. I know that if the agents I work with don't send me clients in the previous 12 months I don't renew their contracts. They only get rewarded with a contract once they introduce new clients.”

Are you telling us that in the last 12 months BrainChip haven’t signed any new clients? Tell that one to @Esq.111 who has the number of partners now at 64.

“They are not selling toasters” they have a pipeline of progress on ‘sales’. To get to an IP deal to the stage of being signed there would be a lot more than just you get to play with Akida and then make a decision. There would be something like the following:

1) Initial contact with a potential client to discuss a use case they might have.
2) If there’s no use case then they might like to trial the tech and see if they can come up with one.
3) Develop a prototype for a solution of a particular use case using the ADE.
4) Test the prototype and rinse and repeat dev until satisfying a solution.
5) Create a proper design once the prototype has been satisfied. This step could take a while and btw at this point is the product a device that Akida IP is going to be embedded into or is the client company just making and selling chips with our IP like Renesas?
6) Tape out the design into silicon and test the silicon, again going to take significant time.
7) If the client company is putting the silicon with Akida embedded into a device, they wouldn't have to sign an IP deal with BrainChip until they mass produce the device. This may take years since they might consider holding off until the time is ripe to sell the product in volume.

So 3-12 months from when new/existing customers get their hands on Akida2 IP isn’t going to result in IP contracts imo. More likely 3-4 years. It’s possible some of our original EAPs could be closer to closing a deal though. We all hope something will drop soon..

Hey,

If you have a listen to the stocks down under interview, specifically from 7.45 Sean breaks down exactly how long it takes from a typical new engagement to a decision on IP.

Brainchip (ASX:BRN): All systems go in 2024!

We spoke with BrainChip (ASX:BRN) CEO Sean Hehir about BRN's technical and commercial progress, and what's in store for investors in 2024.

stocksdownunder.com

The quick answer is several months up to a year. His words not mine.

I would hope that 3-4 years would be start to finish. For example, initial decision on IP up to 12 months then development of product 2-3 years. So 4 year total from first contact between Brainchip and customer..

Here hoping for a good week.

Euks