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[Bravo]

Hi 7fur7,

I think it is clear that Mercedes cannot use Nvidia on its own in an EV (ICE is another matter). The alternative is to use Akida as a neuromorphic accelerator to do the heavy lifting in processing the sensor signals, and run with the Nvidia control software responding to Akida outputs. Akida IP could be included with the Nvidia processor in a single SoC (unlikely as we have not heard about the licence) or they could be separate chips.

Then again, Mercedes would want Akida 2, and this could add to the delay ...

PS: I'm just trying to think of ways they can do it now!

NVIDIA Drive Thor uses updated ARM Poseidon AE cores and AKIDA is compatible with Arm's product families. Just a thought bubble.

This part of an article dated September 2022 caught my eye.

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[7für7]

Hi 7fur7,

I think it is clear that Mercedes cannot use Nvidia on its own in an EV (ICE is another matter). The alternative is to use Akida as a neuromorphic accelerator to do the heavy lifting in processing the sensor signals, and run with the Nvidia control software responding to Akida outputs. Akida IP could be included with the Nvidia processor in a single SoC (unlikely as we have not heard about the licence) or they could be separate chips.

Then again, Mercedes would want Akida 2, and this could add to the delay ...

PS: I'm just trying to think of ways they can do it now!

Yes sure. That's not what I'm doubting! I'm just talking about the timeframe! One tends to forget the necessary certifications required for such sensitive applications that are safety-critical. As long as they don't have such certificates... or whoever registers them. You can't integrate them into production-ready products. One thing is to research and try out what is possible. And the other is to have a finished product.

 

[jtardif999]

I wish.. but he also says

“Widespread use of neuromorphic computing will depend on many factors. The technology requires new programming and algorithms, so it will not immediately replace traditional processors”

I think for the long term holders of us, this will be interesting. But I don’t expect end of the year. The technology behind this is too complicated. And we need urgent a certification for using such a sensitive area like car security etc ! Let’s say 2025/2026

‘Widespread use’ can mean general adoption. Merc are an early adopter as BRN have always stated. Early adopters like Valeo and Mercedes Benz get the jump on the market. They would have a target date in mind for releasing the integrated Akida IP. Personally I think @Bravo could be close to the money regarding the potential for Akida’s integration into Thaw but that would depend on getting the right certification done and who knows how long that could take?

 

[IloveLamp]

NVIDIA Drive Thor uses updated ARM Poseidon AE cores and AKIDA is compatible with Arm's product families. Just a thought bubble.


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Interestingly, poseidon and akida are both greek words..........

Are we about to see a godly tidal wave of spikes?

I'd like to think so

 

[Iseki]

Hi 7fur7,

I think it is clear that Mercedes cannot use Nvidia on its own in an EV (ICE is another matter). The alternative is to use Akida as a neuromorphic accelerator to do the heavy lifting in processing the sensor signals, and run with the Nvidia control software responding to Akida outputs. Akida IP could be included with the Nvidia processor in a single SoC (unlikely as we have not heard about the licence) or they could be separate chips.

Then again, Mercedes would want Akida 2, and this could add to the delay ...

PS: I'm just trying to think of ways they can do it now!

My feeling is that a company that goes to all the trouble to create their own OS will want to own their own chip. ie We should expect M-B to announce the license deal with us at the time they announce that we are the third chip partner.

As far as the $s go I think Note 2[q] of the Annual Report says something like we'll be happy to defer the payments for licensees to fit in with their revenue stream from using Akida.

 

[Diogenese]

Interestingly, poseidon and akida are both greek words..........

Are we about to see a godly tidal wave of spikes?

I'd like to think so

That would imply a trident - so who's gooseberry?


or should I say "fragostafilos"

 

[7für7]

Ok but you actually all know what I mean with “they need certificates”? Yes? Because I have the feeling maybe you don’t know what I mean with this

 

[7für7]

In the automotive sector, similar standards apply as in other safety-critical industries, but there are also specific requirements that must be considered. The most important certifications and standards include:

ISO 26262: This standard is specifically for the functional safety of electrical and electronic systems in road vehicles. ASIL Classification: According to ISO 26262, systems and components are classified according to their Automotive Safety Integrity Level (ASIL) to assess the risk of hazards and take appropriate risk reduction measures. IATF 16949: This standard defines requirements for a quality management system for the automotive industry and also considers aspects of product safety. ISO 9001: A quality management system that sets out general requirements for quality management practices and is relevant to the automotive industry. Cybersecurity: With the increasing connectivity of vehicles and the introduction of autonomous driving, cybersecurity in the automotive sector is also becoming increasingly important. Standards such as ISO/SAE 21434 and UN-R155 may be relevant here.

These certifications and standards are important to ensure that AI chips and systems in the automotive sector operate safely and reliably.

All I want to say is, there are more factors if you want to implement a new technology into a car etc. you need certifications

 

[TECH]

Yet another solid engagement announced today with UWA joining our University Accelerator Program, Perth had to join, with Peter, Adam,
so many of our Perth staff having studied there, our links through Pia, Barry and Alan it was just a matter of time until all the checks and
balances had been satisfied by both parties.

I am aware that other Australian Universities have shown interest in joining the program, but I'm not privy to which ones, but to be totally
honest, you don't have to be Einstein to know which Universities excel in Computer Science, just ask ANT61 !

7 in total now and things just keep expanding, I wonder why ?

Yes it still seems very slow, but no major companies would have anything to do with a small start-up like us if we didn't have the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM....2 steps forward, one back, 2 steps forward, one back is still progress.... the Brain is slowly delivering in my opinion.

Best.....Tech

 

[CHIPS]

Thank me for that.
Reason.
I'm going with Fact Finder back to hot crapper.
And when I go, so do my posts. (all 250+ of them)

This should be forbidden. It is not only very childish ... I don't play with you anymore and take all my pictures with me ... but also as stupid as one can be. Grow up and behave like an adult! You and Fact Finder have not only given information but also taken some from other people. So there is no reason to take some away. I cannot believe how someone can behave like that.

 

[Diogenese]

In the automotive sector, similar standards apply as in other safety-critical industries, but there are also specific requirements that must be considered. The most important certifications and standards include:

ISO 26262: This standard is specifically for the functional safety of electrical and electronic systems in road vehicles. ASIL Classification: According to ISO 26262, systems and components are classified according to their Automotive Safety Integrity Level (ASIL) to assess the risk of hazards and take appropriate risk reduction measures. IATF 16949: This standard defines requirements for a quality management system for the automotive industry and also considers aspects of product safety. ISO 9001: A quality management system that sets out general requirements for quality management practices and is relevant to the automotive industry. Cybersecurity: With the increasing connectivity of vehicles and the introduction of autonomous driving, cybersecurity in the automotive sector is also becoming increasingly important. Standards such as ISO/SAE 21434 and UN-R155 may be relevant here.

These certifications and standards are important to ensure that AI chips and systems in the automotive sector operate safely and reliably.

All I want to say is, there are more factors if you want to implement a new technology into a car etc. you need certifications

Yes. We've discussed certification in detail a long time ago.

Akida 1 has been in Mercedes hands for long enough, but as I said, Akida 2 will take a bit longer.

 

[IloveLamp]

Tenstorrent and MosChip Partner on High Performant RISC-V Design | TimesTech

Tenstorrent and MosChip Technologies announced that they are partnering on design for Tenstorrent’s cutting-edge RISC-V solutions.

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“Partnering with MosChip enables us to design the strongest RISC-V solution we can to serve ourselves, our partners, and our customers alike.”

 

[Diogenese]

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[Diogenese]

Tenstorrent and MosChip Partner on High Performant RISC-V Design | TimesTech

Tenstorrent and MosChip Technologies announced that they are partnering on design for Tenstorrent’s cutting-edge RISC-V solutions.

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“Partnering with MosChip enables us to design the strongest RISC-V solution we can to serve ourselves, our partners, and our customers alike.”
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Jim Keller of Tenstorrent is not a believer in "that spikey thingy".

 

[IloveLamp]

Jim Keller of Tenstorrent is not a believer in "that spikey thingy".

But MosChip certainly is, Jim must be yet to come out of the spike closet I'd say......

Give it time, he'll come around.

Opinion only, Dyor.

 

[Diogenese]

But MosChip certainly is, Jim must be yet to come out of the spike closet I'd say......

Opinion only, Dyor.

Sounds uncomfortable.

 

[IloveLamp]

Sounds uncomfortable.

Oh it will be,..... for his .........pride

 

[Frank Zappa]

My feeling is that a company that goes to all the trouble to create their own OS will want to own their own chip. ie We should expect M-B to announce the license deal with us at the time they announce that we are the third chip partner.

As far as the $s go I think Note 2[q] of the Annual Report says something like we'll be happy to defer the payments for licensees to fit in with their revenue stream from using Akida.

If that is correct, I cannot see any reason why we should have to bend over that far in the future

 

[Frank Zappa]

This should be forbidden. It is not only very childish ... I don't play with you anymore and take all my pictures with me ... but also as stupid as one can be. Grow up and behave like an adult! You and Fact Finder have not only given information but also taken some from other people. So there is no reason to take some away. I cannot believe how someone can behave like that.

For heavens sake , do not involve FF at the same standing as that nitwit . It shows that you do not have very good judgment or respect for our messiah.

 

[Iseki]

If that is correct, I cannot see any reason why we should have to bend over that far in the future

Well not even NVIDIA make their own chips, so M-B would have to go off to a chip designer and tell them that they want something that can run Akida IP and talk directly to an NVIDIA chip, all using MB.OS, so a chip that no one else can use!, and we need to tape it out and queue up at somewhere like TSMC and test the bjesus out of it, and then take it to the M-B BoD and hope they give the go ahead! And then and only then make that fateful call to Sean, and utter these words "Sean, baby, please use the following Order Number MB-Neuromorphic-001"