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entretec

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"The AKD1000-powered boards can be plugged into the M.2 slot – around the size of a stick of gum, with a power budget of about 1 watt"

Unless the size reference, is just that of "the slot" it goes in, but that's a weird thing to mention..
 
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Well, something must be ongoing in relation to "Mars2020 Rover" because it is listed on NASA's 2024 updated inventory, which is the reason why I posted it.

The article includes a link to the full inventory which describes the Stage of System as "in production".

If you feel this information is incorrect, you can contact NASA"s Chief Artificial Intelligence Officer, David Salvagnini, who put the list together.



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The NASA FY24 AI Inventory (listing all use cases using AI tools developed in-house) was presumably updated in early January 2025 for the simple reason that two new AI use cases had been implemented in 2024, which were, however, totally unrelated to Perseverance’s autonomous navigation system.

Being an inventory, it means that all older (=pre-2024) AI use cases get listed, too (including those developed for the Mars 2020 Mission), so the list will get longer year by year.

I also took a screenshot of that same table earlier today:

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Not sure why they haven’t updated all Mars 2020-related use cases to “In mission”*, but take a look at the “date implemented” column:

Enhanced Autonavigation for Perseverance Rover on Mars: July 1, 2020
Mars2020 Rover (Perseverance): 1 July 2020
Onboard Planner for Mars2020 Rover (Perseverance): 1 July 2020 (here it does say “in mission”)
(-> all implemented on the same day, shortly before the Perseverance Mars rover’s encapsulation, getting ready for the launch on July 30, 2020)

as well as
Perseverance Rover on Mars - Terrain Relative Navigation: 18 February 2021
(the day of the entry, descent and landing aka EDL on Mars)


*By the way, the very first use case named AEGIS is also listed as “in production” and its description has never been properly updated: “AEGIS enables intelligent targeting and data acquisition by planetary rovers (…) It is currently in use on the MSL mission to acquire data for the ChemCam instrument. It is planned for use in Spring of 2022 on the M2020 mission to acquire data for the SuperCam instrument.”


But back to your original post: You had highlighted the following on the 2019 NASA fact sheet about Mars 2020 and Perseverance…
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… and tried to establish a connection between the 2020 SBIR I proposing to use Akida to increase the performance of NASA’s autonomous rovers “to allow for greater speeds” and Perseverance’s “new autonomous navigation system [that] will allow the rover to drive faster in challenging terrain”:

“What I thought of immediately was the 2020 SBIR, which I have posted below for your convenience, which described how AKIDA was to potentially be utilised to make autonomous rovers travel faster. So it occurred to me that this 2020 SBIR which AKIDA was featured in might be part of the whole "Mars2020 Rover" thingamajig.

I had a quick Google search under "Mars2020 Rover" and I found this NASA Fact Sheet from 2019. The second page states "A new autonomous navigation system will allow the rover to drive faster in challenging terrain", which 100% ties into the goals described in the 2020 SBIR!”




As mentioned earlier, the 2020 SBIR grant’s starting date was after Perseverance’s launch. So it could only ever be potentially relevant for future Mars rovers (once the research would have climbed up the TRL ladder, that is) - but such future missions will be carried out under a different name, not Mars 2020.

If I’m not mistaken, NASA’s next proposed Mars landing will be a joint mission with ESA called “The NASA-ESA Mars Sample Return” to return samples from the Martian surface to Earth, which are being collected and cached by Perseverance, but there won’t be any novel autonomously navigating rover involved, just two sample recovery helicopters (modeled on the Mars 2020 Mission helicopter Ingenuity (2021-2024) ) as a backup for Perseverance.

Correct me if I am wrong, but so far, we haven’t heard anything about a SBIR II phase of that Vorago Technologies (previously Silicon Space Technology Corporation) proposal with Jim Carlquist as principal investigator, and a search on NASA’s website didn’t yield any relevant results beyond said SBIR I CNN RNN project, for which BrainChip received a one-time payment of US$ 50,000 from NASA on 21 Dec 2020 according to
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_80NSSC21P0633_8000_-NONE-_-NONE-

Can you provide any further information regarding the project’s current status?
 

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Cheers Entretec 👍

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So the M.2 2260 form factor, which we are using, is "22mm x 60mm" that's a decent stick of gum..

22mm² or a bit less, sounds about right, for AKD1000 in 28nm.
 
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Yes. Rudy is a co-inventor on the TENNs patents.

The reference to CUDA is interesting. This is Nvidia's in-house programming language ...
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Cheers Entretec 👍

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So the M.2 2260 form factor, which we are using, is "22mm x 60mm" that's a decent stick of gum..

22mm² or a bit less, sounds about right, for AKD1000 in 28nm.
Thanks DB, Is there a pic around? I am trying to visualise. I guess someone who has a box already designed can take advantage of Edge capabilities by adding the AKIDA Form 2?
Could even eg, NVIDIA if it wished add it to one of it's range of boxes for Edge capabilities? Just trying to visualise the possible size of the market.
Or a build from scratch for any other box providers wanting to venture to the Edge?
 
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Thanks DB, Is there a pic around? I am trying to visualise. I guess someone who has a box already designed can take advantage of Edge capabilities by adding the AKIDA Form 2?
Could even eg, NVIDIA if it wished add it to one of it's range of boxes for Edge capabilities? Just trying to visualise the possible size of the market.
Or a build from scratch for any other box providers wanting to venture to the Edge?
There's no pic on the website yet..

I think it's more for hobbyists, to play with, or build their own Edge Box (and maybe very small volume producers of boxes).

I'd say a larger manufacturer, would deal either directly with us or one of our providers (as in not this form factor).

Nvidia, wouldn't be adding things ad hoc, they'd partner with us or something..

But I'm just guessing really..

The hobbyist market, is potentially huge, if marketed correctly.
 
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Well, something must be ongoing in relation to "Mars2020 Rover" because it is listed on NASA's 2024 updated inventory, which is the reason why I posted it.

The article includes a link to the full inventory which describes the Stage of System as "in production".

If you feel this information is incorrect, you can contact NASA"s Chief Artificial Intelligence Officer, David Salvagnini, who put the list together.




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I use to look a lot into nasa I’m positive they were using Loihi for this one
 
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There's no pic on the website yet..

I think it's more for hobbyists, to play with, or build there own Edge Box (and maybe very small volume producers of boxes).

I'd say a larger manufacturer, would deal either directly with us or one of our providers (as in not this form factor).

Nvidia, wouldn't be adding things ad hoc, they'd partner with us or something..

But I'm just guessing really..

The hobbiest market, is potentially huge, if marketed correctly.
I guess that is what Tony Lewis was alluding to at the last AGM.
He talked about new forms of AKIDA coming and the possibilities of a high school or medical school student being able to invent cures etc. The hobbyist market could well be huge.
AGM Circa 26.3.
 
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Townyj

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Some little nuggets in this one.


RTX seem to be our link to Raytheon..??

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Also.. all the talk about PROPHESEE. We hung out with them @ CES. So unless we find out more info that they are bust. Seems to be all systems go still.
 
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Diogenese

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Well, something must be ongoing in relation to "Mars2020 Rover" because it is listed on NASA's 2024 updated inventory, which is the reason why I posted it.

The article includes a link to the full inventory which describes the Stage of System as "in production".

If you feel this information is incorrect, you can contact NASA"s Chief Artificial Intelligence Officer, David Salvagnini, who put the list together.



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Does this mean they'll have to do a recall?
 
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TheDrooben

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Some little nuggets in this one.


RTX seem to be our link to Raytheon..??

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Also.. all the talk about PROPHESEE. We hung out with them @ CES. So unless we find out more info that they are bust. Seems to be all systems go still.
If it is Raytheon that is massive.......

 
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If it is Raytheon that is massive.......

Click on the link RTX in the BrainChip LinkedIn post and you get :

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It's BIG
 
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miaeffect

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Some little nuggets in this one.


RTX seem to be our link to Raytheon..??

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Also.. all the talk about PROPHESEE. We hung out with them @ CES. So unless we find out more info that they are bust. Seems to be all systems go still.
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Huge!
 

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Townyj

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Cheers @Quiltman I didn't get that far.........Wow even bigger than I thought



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Well... RTX is actually Raytheon.. sooooo. There is our link finally. Oh baby! So we are Partners...

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Diogenese

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Some little nuggets in this one.


RTX seem to be our link to Raytheon..??

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Also.. all the talk about PROPHESEE. We hung out with them @ CES. So unless we find out more info that they are bust. Seems to be all systems go still.
Hi Townyj,

Great dot joining.

The reference to RTX as a partner is a solid connexion.

The link with Raytheon is great.

As for Prophesee, the bankruptcy thing may be like the US bankruptcy protection where the company is protected from creditors while attempting to trade out of financial difficulties.
 
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Townyj

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Hi Townyj,

Great dot joining.

The reference to RTX as a partner is a solid connexion.

The link with Raytheon is great.

As for Prophesee, the bankruptcy thing may be like the US bankruptcy protection where the company is protected from creditors while attempting to trade out of financial difficulties.
Appreciate it.. kinda went a little crazy looking for bits and bobs.
 
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SERA2g

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Hiya

I came here to post the same.

Left to Right:

Steve Thorne, Brainchip, VP of Sales
JP Wright, Brainchip, Regional Sales Manager
Bryce Nakamori, RTX Corporation, University Program Manager - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryce-nakamori-5b55b939/
Sylvia Traxler, RTX, Sr Principal Software Engineer - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sylviaatraxler/
Geoff Martin, Raytheon Technologies, Strategic Engagements and Tech Solutions Manager - https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoff-martin-058500b/
 
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