BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Diogenese]

Spot on @TopCat, MAC’s are bad…well that’s how I always look at things according to Barrel Sitter and his ogres @Diogenese

Hi Andy,

Slight amendment to that - TENNs uses MACs - just teeny weeny ones.

Even worse, it uses backpropagation.

 

[HopalongPetrovski]

DB please explain how Trump's tariff policy is going to hurt China???? Let's say a 25% tariff (reports are it could be as high as 60%) is placed on Chinese goods that would only mean American's pay a 60% higher price for those goods which will lead to inflation for the US which would lead to higher interest rates and then China could dump some of their massive US treasuries forcing the US to pay more for their debt......and if Trump's policies do hurt China how is that going to be good for Australia who has China as their biggest exporters with over $200B last year.???

Honest question as I don't really give F about who votes for who but respect their choice. I know Trump likes to destroy the norms but I just don't understand this tariff move.

Hi Larry.
This may be wrong and only a simplified version, but it's my take as I understand it.

Any tariff paid, will be a tax, which will directly strengthen the US economy as a direct input.
By effectively increasing the price of foreign goods for its citizens, it makes US produced product more competitively priced, and hence more attractive within America.
This artificial impost is designed to promote manufacturing within USA, effectively turning back the clock to a time when America was still producing 'on shore' rather than importing virtually everything, as we do, from China, and other countries where labour can be had at a cheaper cost.
So, this is designed to promote full employment with a wider range of jobs and more companies producing locally, without having to artificially repress the cost of local production and lower the local standard of living.

This effectively "hurts" China and other current manufacturers (and their suppliers) by effectively reducing demand for their product.
If they wish to retain the volume of their sales, they have to reduce their prices, effectively transferring a portion of their profit margin directly into America's coffers.

Australia and many other countries systematically removed tariffs and adopted various versions of "free trade"during the last century in a bid to help the third world catch up and in the understanding that it would have a beneficial impact on all participants.

That was the theory anyway and we all have witnessed the great strides China (for example) has taken in modernising their infrastructure and increasing the living standards of its people.
However, it was widely expected that other western norms (democratic freedoms and a strong free press) would arise concurrently making these countries foreign versions of us or friendly clones, but strong crackdowns by the extent regimes have prevented this from occurring thus far.

So, in essence, Trump's (make America great again) strategy is designed to reverse the flow of both capital and economic influence from outwards back to inwards for American companies and as a way to reestablish American pride.

America is a large enough economy to be self sustaining so it may well have a short term positive effect, but the longer term repercussions of America's isolationism, both at home and for the rest of the world, are yet to be revealed.

 

[Humble Genius]

Probably a long shot, but we could be in this?

Transparent Tech: Invisible Biometrics Sensing Display Monitors Passengers’ Vital Parameters

Continental and technology partner trinamiX receive CES Innovation Award Honoree for innovative display solution

www.continental.com

 

[GStocks123]

BAE Systems-2025 emerging tech predictions

Neuromorphic/SNNs

https://www.baesystems.com/en/digital/feature/2025-our-top-5-emerging-tech-predictions

 

[Pom down under]

Hi Larry.
This may be wrong and only a simplified version, but it's my take as I understand it.

Any tariff paid, will be a tax, which will directly strengthen the US economy as a direct input.
By effectively increasing the price of foreign goods for its citizens, it makes US produced product more competitively priced, and hence more attractive within America.
This artificial impost is designed to promote manufacturing within USA, effectively turning back the clock to a time when America was still producing 'on shore' rather than importing virtually everything, as we do, from China, and other countries where labour can be had at a cheaper cost.
So, this is designed to promote full employment with a wider range of jobs and more companies producing locally, without having to artificially repress the cost of local production and lower the local standard of living.

This effectively "hurts" China and other current manufacturers (and their suppliers) by effectively reducing demand for their product.
If they wish to retain the volume of their sales, they have to reduce their prices, effectively transferring a portion of their profit margin directly into America's coffers.

Australia and many other countries systematically removed tariffs and adopted various versions of "free trade"during the last century in a bid to help the third world catch up and in the understanding that it would have a beneficial impact on all participants.

That was the theory anyway and we all have witnessed the great strides China (for example) has taken in modernising their infrastructure and increasing the living standards of its people.
However, it was widely expected that other western norms (democratic freedoms and a strong free press) would arise concurrently making these countries foreign versions of us or friendly clones, but strong crackdowns by the extent regimes have prevented this from occurring thus far.

So, in essence, Trump's (make America great again) strategy is designed to reverse the flow of both capital and economic influence from outwards back to inwards for American companies and as a way to reestablish American pride.

America is a large enough economy to be self sustaining so it may well have a short term positive effect, but the longer term repercussions of America's isolationism, both at home and for the rest of the world, are yet to be revealed.

I thought an increase let say 60% in tariffs was only an increase in the current import tax, so say the import tax wax currently 10% it would then go up to 16%?

 

[7für7]

I thought an increase let say 60% in tariffs was only an increase in the current import tax, so say the import tax wax currently 10% it would then go up to 16%?

Trump is a business man… on the end they will make a deal which will be worth it for all.. he knows how to bring things up to rolling …

 

[TheDrooben]

Hi Larry.
This may be wrong and only a simplified version, but it's my take as I understand it.

Any tariff paid, will be a tax, which will directly strengthen the US economy as a direct input.
By effectively increasing the price of foreign goods for its citizens, it makes US produced product more competitively priced, and hence more attractive within America.
This artificial impost is designed to promote manufacturing within USA, effectively turning back the clock to a time when America was still producing 'on shore' rather than importing virtually everything, as we do, from China, and other countries where labour can be had at a cheaper cost.
So, this is designed to promote full employment with a wider range of jobs and more companies producing locally, without having to artificially repress the cost of local production and lower the local standard of living.

This effectively "hurts" China and other current manufacturers (and their suppliers) by effectively reducing demand for their product.
If they wish to retain the volume of their sales, they have to reduce their prices, effectively transferring a portion of their profit margin directly into America's coffers.

Australia and many other countries systematically removed tariffs and adopted various versions of "free trade"during the last century in a bid to help the third world catch up and in the understanding that it would have a beneficial impact on all participants.

That was the theory anyway and we all have witnessed the great strides China (for example) has taken in modernising their infrastructure and increasing the living standards of its people.
However, it was widely expected that other western norms (democratic freedoms and a strong free press) would arise concurrently making these countries foreign versions of us or friendly clones, but strong crackdowns by the extent regimes have prevented this from occurring thus far.

So, in essence, Trump's (make America great again) strategy is designed to reverse the flow of both capital and economic influence from outwards back to inwards for American companies and as a way to reestablish American pride.

America is a large enough economy to be self sustaining so it may well have a short term positive effect, but the longer term repercussions of America's isolationism, both at home and for the rest of the world, are yet to be revealed.

Good analysis HP but I disagree when the country you are imposing these "taxes" against hold your own country's debt in their hands.......as you said....

"Any tariff paid, will be a tax, which will directly strengthen the US economy as a direct input."

So Trump is in effect raising taxes (which he said he would never do - obvious political rhetoric) and competing against companies paying the lowest wages in the world - which will be even lower compared to the US once the inflation bites due to the tariffs.

Anyway thanks for the analysis.......I am not an economist in any way just don't understand the underlying logic and more importantly the real effect of the tariffs (and not sure DT does either).

Cheers

Happy as Larry

 

[TheDrooben]

Trump is a business man… on the end they will make a deal which will be worth it for all.. he knows how to bring things up to rolling …

Trump is actually at least a 5x bankrupt businessman (even to his own admission)......so yeah take that as you will....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/were-watching-trumps-7th-bankruptcy-unfold-171903858.html

 

[7für7]

Good analysis HP but I disagree when the country you are imposing these "taxes" against hold your own country's debt in their hands.......as you said....

"Any tariff paid, will be a tax, which will directly strengthen the US economy as a direct input."

So Trump is in effect raising taxes (which he said he would never do - obvious political rhetoric) and competing against companies paying the lowest wages in the world - which will be even lower compared to the US once the inflation bites due to the tariffs.

Anyway thanks for the analysis.......I am not an economist in any way just don't understand the underlying logic and more importantly the real effect of the tariffs (and not sure DT does either).

Cheers

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Happy as Larry

If your not an economist and don’t understand the underlying logic….

WHY IN LARRYS NAME YOU DISAGREE HEEEEEEEERE??

Just kidding … it’s Sunday evening and I’m excited for next week! see you tomorrow

 

[7für7]

Trump is actually at least a 5x bankrupt businessman (even to his own admission)......so yeah take that as you will....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/were-watching-trumps-7th-bankruptcy-unfold-171903858.html

Yeah but a businessman who will rule still the most powerful country in the world … what we are doing?

 

[TheDrooben]

If your not an economist and don’t understand the underlying logic….

WHY IN LARRYS NAME YOU DISAGREE HEEEEEEEERE??



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Just kidding … ist Sunday evening and I’m excited for next week! see you tomorrow

Sorry @7für7 ......Larry got a bit carried away with tariffs,Trump and trade shit which I admittedly have no idea about. (But we will see). Apologies everyone and back on track tomorrow.....
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[Pom down under]

Trump is actually at least a 5x bankrupt businessman (even to his own admission)......so yeah take that as you will....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/were-watching-trumps-7th-bankruptcy-unfold-171903858.html

A lot of politicians here have been bankrupt/gone into administration owing millions to the ato etc and it’s easy to do if you know how. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Pom down under]

Sorry @7für7 ......Larry got a bit carried away with tariffs,Trump and trade shit which I admittedly have no idea about. (But we will see). Apologies everyone and back on track tomorrow...... View attachment 75311

Only thing you need to know about trump is invest in crypto as you’ll be into a sure thing if you do your research and just a little tip if anyone wants my financial advice don’t buy any chainlink or xrp.

 

[TheDrooben]

Yeah but a businessman who will rule still the most powerful country in the world … what we are doing?

Only thing you need to know about trump is invest in crypto as you’ll be into a sure thing if you do your research and just a little tip if anyone wants my financial advice don’t buy any chainlink or xrp.

Yup.......in his own words

Donald Trump calls Bitcoin 'a scam against the dollar'

The controversial former US president thinks the cryptocurrency is a threat to the US dollar.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pom down under]

Yup.......in his own words

Donald Trump calls Bitcoin 'a scam against the dollar'

The controversial former US president thinks the cryptocurrency is a threat to the US dollar.

www.bbc.com

He wants to regulate crypto and especially crypto that has its uses etc stable coins . Bitcoin has no use what so ever apart from it being the 1st major coin.

 

[Diogenese]

If your not an economist and don’t understand the underlying logic….

WHY IN LARRYS NAME YOU DISAGREE HEEEEEEEERE??



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Just kidding … it’s Sunday evening and I’m excited for next week! see you tomorrow

Economists don't understand - they believe.

 

[Pom down under]

Here’s a few I’ve had saved in my favorites for sometime and forgotten to post them

How Generative AI will Shape the Next Generation of IoT Devices

Explore the revolutionary impact of generative AI on IoT devices, driving unprecedented efficiency and personalization in smart technology for everyday life.

moschip.com

BrainChip to improve radar signalling applications for US AFRL

The US AFRL has granted a $1.8m development contract to BrainChip Holdings for advancing neuromorphic radar signal processing technologies.

www.airforce-technology.com

https://archive.interconf.center/index.php/conference-proceeding/article/download/6357/6396/5686

Innovating Energy: How Technology is Shaping Our Power Systems

www.ces.tech

 

[DingoBorat]

DB please explain how Trump's tariff policy is going to hurt China???? Let's say a 25% tariff (reports are it could be as high as 60%) is placed on Chinese goods that would only mean American's pay a 60% higher price for those goods which will lead to inflation for the US which would lead to higher interest rates and then China could dump some of their massive US treasuries forcing the US to pay more for their debt......and if Trump's policies do hurt China how is that going to be good for Australia who has China as their biggest exporters with over $200B last year.???

Honest question as I don't really give F about who votes for who but respect their choice. I know Trump likes to destroy the norms but I just don't understand this tariff move.

Trump isn't trying to "hurt China" he's trying to "help America".

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

People Love the cheap prices and then wonder why they haven't got a job, later on down the track.
(despite the fact many jobs are going regardless).

There are many drivers of inflation, it's ludicrous that governments have "inflation targets".
I believe the biggest driver of inflation, is the increases to the Global money supply, most notably after the GFC and Covid19 (both preventable events).

There has been huge inflation, or the reduction in spending power, ever since governments introduction of fiat (Latin for "let it be done") currency.
Or "trust us we know how to use currency in a fiscally responsible manner".
Which is clearly illustrated by the extremely low levels of government debt, around the World.
On US debt, China has just over 3/4 of a trillion USD in US treasuries.
How fast would the value of them go down the gurgler, if they started dumping them?
I don't think they will cut off their nose, to spite the US..

Trump's focus is on "America First" Australia needs to make its own changes and have it's own MAGA movement.

I remember seeing just the commercial, from a short documentary "Australia the Lucky Country" over 20 years ago and the example given, of Australian ham producers, having to pay levies to the Australian government, to subsidise the importation of UK ham products, which they were competing against.

Australia should be one of the richest countries in the World and yet we prostitute our rich resources, both mineral and animal/vegetable to the rest of the World and then let them play on a "level" playing field, when it comes to everything else, when their costs (in part, because of their low material costs from us) cannot be competed with.

The US is the largest economy in the World and the bureaucratic/democratic (the name not relating to democracy) control of it, was dragging it and the rest of the World, into the toilet.

I'm surprised so many can't see that, or maybe that's just my own delusions.

If the US is doing well, I believe the rest of the World will follow.

Trump uses tarrifs as a tool, they won't always be implemented and can be changed and adjusted.

Just have a little faith in the Orange Man, Larry.

 

[DingoBorat]

But Trump is a dickwad, because he literally did the deed with Stormy. And now he's trying to stop the story from hitting the mainstream when we all know its the truth.

Hey, I never said he was perfect.

Just remember the Great words of former pirate and Founder of Springfield.

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man"

Trump with all his faults, Loves his Family and Loves America.

I truly believe, he wants to leave a Legacy, of getting his country and by default the World, back on the right track.