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I was not expecting much revenue this quarter, did I secretly hope, of course I did. It is very frustrating.
However, the world economy is not the greatest atm. I was listening to a report this morning that stated VW are going shut production plants and axe thousands of employees, in Germany, due to rising costs and the inability to compete with Chinese made vehicles.
European economies are not doing so well due to the war in Ukraine, the huge immigration issue, the cost of energy, inflation and the list goes on.
The US is also facing a few challenges of their own, the current election, BRICS, huge debt, supporting 2 wars.
Industries across the globe are restructuring, facing tougher competition, not willing to invest in new ideas that maybe be seen as too risky. The truth is that there is too much uncertainty atm. No one knows where it is all leading to.
While I’d like to rip Sean a new one, it is understandable that getting companies to commit atm is tough going. BRN are not selling a product that is necessary for the survival of mankind. They’re selling a unique product that can enhance, improve, assist, benefit but not vital for the survival of mankind.
Of course it can reduce power usage, one shot learning, work on the edge, improve product efficiency but not necessary for the survival of mankind.
That means that it is a tougher sell, especially when companies are looking at reducing costs and placing new products on the back burner.
We’re all waiting for that big announcement that will propel the SP to dollars instead of cents. Especially after the SP hit $2.34 on news of Mercedes using Akida in a prototype. Imagine if an industry giant confirmed that they would use our IP in their product such as: mobile phones.
What I’m trying to say is that our time will come eventually but it’s going to take longer than what we all would want. I remain optimistic but have also lowered my expectations.
However, the world economy is not the greatest atm. I was listening to a report this morning that stated VW are going shut production plants and axe thousands of employees, in Germany, due to rising costs and the inability to compete with Chinese made vehicles.
European economies are not doing so well due to the war in Ukraine, the huge immigration issue, the cost of energy, inflation and the list goes on.
The US is also facing a few challenges of their own, the current election, BRICS, huge debt, supporting 2 wars.
Industries across the globe are restructuring, facing tougher competition, not willing to invest in new ideas that maybe be seen as too risky. The truth is that there is too much uncertainty atm. No one knows where it is all leading to.
While I’d like to rip Sean a new one, it is understandable that getting companies to commit atm is tough going. BRN are not selling a product that is necessary for the survival of mankind. They’re selling a unique product that can enhance, improve, assist, benefit but not vital for the survival of mankind.
Of course it can reduce power usage, one shot learning, work on the edge, improve product efficiency but not necessary for the survival of mankind.
That means that it is a tougher sell, especially when companies are looking at reducing costs and placing new products on the back burner.
We’re all waiting for that big announcement that will propel the SP to dollars instead of cents. Especially after the SP hit $2.34 on news of Mercedes using Akida in a prototype. Imagine if an industry giant confirmed that they would use our IP in their product such as: mobile phones.
What I’m trying to say is that our time will come eventually but it’s going to take longer than what we all would want. I remain optimistic but have also lowered my expectations.
Frangipani
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Two weeks ago, our usual suspects from Fraunhofer HHI’s Wireless Communications and Networks Department gave a virtual presentation of their paper referenced in their robot dog gesture recognition demo video (from which we know they had utilised Akida) at yet another conference, the International Conference on Neuromorphic Systems (ICONS), hosted by George Mason University in Arlington, VA:
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In their YouTube video, Zoran Utkovski describes their demo as “a proof-of-concept implementation of neuromorphic wireless cognition with an application to remote robotic control”, and recent conference presentations were titled “Gesture Recognition for Multi-Robot Control, using Neuromorphic Wireless Cognition and Sidelink Communication” resp. “Neuromorphic Wireless Cognition for Connected Intelligence”.
The words I marked in bold piqued my interest to dive a little deeper, in exploration of the question who would benefit from such research, as I don’t believe in what others here and especially elsewhere (FF) have strongly suggested: that Spot’s manufacturer Boston Dynamics and/or South Korea’s Hyundai Motor Group (which acquired BD in June 2021), is/are the secret customer(s) behind this PoC, allegedly paying Fraunhofer HHI researchers a fee to experiment with Akida on their behalf, as they must be keen on giving their four-legged mobile robot a neuromorphic “upgrade”.
The question you should ask yourselves is: Why would they outsource this type of research, when their own AI experts could easily play around with Akida at their own premises (unless they were buried in work they deemed more important)? Two years ago, the Hyundai Motor Group launched the Boston Dynamics AI Institute, headquartered in Cambridge, MA, to spearhead advancements in artificial intelligence and robotics. In early 2024, another office was opened in Zurich, Switzerland, led by Marco Hutter, who is also Associate Professor for Robotic Systems at ETH Zürich. Why - with all their AI and robotics expertise - would they need Fraunhofer HHI to assist them? Fraunhofer’s contract research is typically commissioned by small- and medium-sized companies that do not have their own R&D departments.
I suggest we let the facts speak for themselves:
The YouTube video’s description box basically says it all:
“(…) The followed approach allows for reduction in communication overhead, implementation complexity and energy consumption, making it amenable for various edge intelligence applications. The work has been conducted within the 6G Research and Innovation Cluster (6G-RIC), funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research (BMBF) in the program “Souverän. Digital. Vernetzt.” Find more information here: https://6G-ric.de”
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And here is a link to a download of a publication detailing the above-mentioned program “Souverän. Digital. Vernetzt.” (German only):
Souverän. Digital. Vernetzt - BMBF
Mit dem Forschungsprogramm schafft das BMBF die Grundlage dafür, dass Deutschland und Europa bei der Entwicklung von Technologien für moderne und zukünftige Kommunikationssysteme eine führende Rolle einnehmen und souverän die fortschreitende Digitalisierung vorantreiben werden.www.bmbf.de
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So this publicly-funded PoC developed by five researchers from Fraunhofer HHI (the institution coordinating the 6G-RIC research hub) and Osvaldo Simeone from King’s College London is evidently about exploring future use cases that 6G will enable - cutting-edge research aiming “to help establish Germany and Europe as global leaders in the expansion of sustainable 6G technologies”. It is clearly not contract research commissioned by Boston Dynamics or Hyundai, with the intention of upgrading a product of theirs.
The 6G-RIC hub does have a number of illustrious industry partners, by the way, but neither BD nor Hyundai are one of them:
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Still not convinced? Another hard-to-ignore piece of evidence that refutes the narrative of Boston Dynamics / Hyundai paying Fraunhofer HHI researchers to experiment with Akida and come up with that PoC is the following document that I stumbled across in my online search. It proves that on May 4, 2023 the Fraunhofer Central Purchasing Department in Munich signed a contract to buy a total of three Spot robot dogs directly from Boston Dynamics - the company that had won the public tender - and that they were destined for 6G-RIC project partner Fraunhofer HHI in Berlin.
Öffentliche Ausschreibung München 2023 Boston Dynamics Spot 6G-RIC - PR228649-3220-W Referenznummer der Bekanntmachung: PR228649-3220-W 2023-05-08
Öffentliche Ausschreibung im München. 3 Stück Spot Roboterhunde 2 Stück Spot Arm 1 Stück Spot CAM+ IR (Front) 3 Stück Spot Docking Station 3 Stück Spot GXP 2 Stück Spot EAP 2 1 Stück Spot Battery Boston Dynamics Spot 6G-RIC Bekanntmachung vergebener Aufträgeausschreibungen-deutschland.de
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We can safely assume that Boston Dynamics - had they really been a paying customer of Heinrich Hertz Institute (HHI) - would have supplied the Fraunhofer Institute with their own products free of charge in order for the Berlin telecommunication experts to conduct research on their behalf.
All available evidence points to Spot simply being a popular quadruped robot model the researchers selected for their testbed realisation and demo.
But back to my sleuthing efforts to find out more about what the researchers at Fraunhofer HHI might be up to:
I chanced upon an intriguing German-language podcast (Feb 1, 2024) titled “6G und die Arbeit des 6G-RIC” (“6G and the work of the 6G-RIC”) with Slawomir Stanczak as guest, who is Professor for Network Information Theory at TU Berlin, Head of Fraunhofer HHI’s Wireless Communications and Networks Department as well as Coordinator of the 6G Research and Innovation Cluster (6G-RIC):
https://www.ip-insider.de/der-nutze...ellschaft-a-cf561755cde0be7b2496c94704668417/
The podcast host starts out by introducing his guest and asking him why we will require 6G in the future (first 6G networks are predicted by 2028-2030).
Slawomir Stanczak names mixed reality as a prime use case, as it is combining massive data rates with the need for ultra-low latency, and then - about six minutes into the podcast - for the first time touches upon the topic of collaborative robots that work together towards a common goal, for example in areas such as Industry 4.0 and healthcare. According to him, 5G will be insufficient once many robots are to collaborate on a joint task, especially since an additional functionality will be required: sensing.
[Note that Slawomir Stanczak uses “collaborative robots” here in the sense of two or more robots collaborating with each other, whereas normally the term “collaborative robots” (aka “cobots”) simply means robots that are designed to work along humans in a common workspace as opposed to industrial robots that replace employees, usually for mundane and repetitive tasks that require speed and precision. As industrial robots tend to be in a fixed position and quite large and powerful, they are often caged or fenced-off so as not to endanger any humans who come too close.]
Slawomir Stanczak then briefly talks about autonomous cars and goes on to say that processing autonomously at the edge is not always the most effective solution. He gives the example of two cars trying to find a free lot in a multi-storey car park - in this particular case, a centrally coordinated decision, which is then communicated to the individual cars, would be the most efficient way of solving the problem. Hence, sometimes a centrally coordinated connected network that is able to combine data beats fully autonomous decisions and also helps to anticipate problems in order to pro-actively prevent them from happening. However, in other cases, when low latency is of utmost importance, decentralised decisions (= at the edge) are essential. Ultimately, it is all about finding the optimal compromise (“functional placement” in the mobile network).
From 17:12 min onwards, the podcast host picks up the topic of connected robotics and mentions a collaboration with Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin, which is Germany’s biggest (and very renowned) university hospital, regarding the development of nursing robots and their control via 6G.
Stanczak confirms this and shares with his listeners they are in talks with Charité doctors in order to simplify certain in-hospital-processes and especially to reduce the workload on staff. Two new technological 6G features are currently being discussed: 1. collaborative robots and 2. integrated communication and sensing (ICAS).
Stanczak and his colleagues were told that apart from the global nursing shortage we are already facing, it is also predicted that we will suffer a shortage of medical doctors in the years to come, so the researchers were wondering whether robots could possibly compensate for this loss.
The idea is to connect numerous nursing robots in order to coordinate them and also for them to communicate with each other and cooperate efficiently on certain tasks - e.g., comparatively simple ones such as transporting patients to the operating theatre or serving them something to drink [of a non-alcoholic nature, I presume]. But the researchers even envision complex tasks such as several robots collaborating on turning patients in bed.
Telemedicine will also become more important in the future, such as surgeons operating remotely with the help of an operating robot [you may have heard about the da Vinci Surgical System manufactured by Intuitive Surgical], while being in a totally different location.
[Something Stanczak didn’t specifically mention, but came to my mind when thinking of robot-control via gesture recognition in a hospital setting, is the fact that it would be contactless and thus perfect in an operating theatre, where sterile conditions must be maintained.]
As for the topic of sensing, the researchers’ vision is to one day use the hospital’s existing communication infrastructure for (radar) sensing tasks as well, such as detection whether a patient is in the room or has left it, monitoring of vital signs such as breathing - camera-less, and hence maintaining privacy.
[I remember reading somewhere else that with ICAS the network itself basically acts as a radar sensor, so there would be no need for additional physical radar sensors - please correct me, if I am wrong, as my grasp of all things technical is extremely superficial.]
Stanczak also views the analysis of liquids as a use case with great potential.
[I assume he was thinking of analysing blood, urine, cerebrospinal fluid etc., but possibly this would also include nasal or oral fluid samples collected for testing of infectious diseases such as COVID-19 or the flu.]
The podcast then moves on to the topic of energy efficiency (6G vs 5G), and Stanczak draws attention to an interesting point, namely that it is not sufficient to merely focus on improving the energy efficiency of mobile networks, as we also need to take into account the so-called rebound effect, which describes the reduction in expected gains from new technologies, as improvement in energy efficiency will lead to an overall increase in energy consumption.
[So, paradoxical as it sounds, saving energy can in fact lead to spending more.]
This is why according to Stanczak we will need a paradigm shift in the years to come and change scaling laws: improving the mobile networks’ energy efficiency while simultaneously decreasing our energy consumption. In addition, R&D in the field of renewable energies continues to be essential.
The remaining 8 or so minutes of the podcast were about frequency bands within the 6G spectrum and surfaces that can channel radio waves - far too technical for me to understand.
After listening to the podcast, I searched the internet for some more information on the cooperation between the institutions involved and discovered two major projects that link Fraunhofer HHI and Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin (which by the way is the joint medical faculty of FU Berlin and Humboldt-Uni Berlin, both consortium members of 6G-RIC, led by Fraunhofer HHI)
https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/ne...ucture-for-ai-and-robotics-in-healthcare.html
- TEF-Health (Testing and Experimentation Facility for Health AI and Robotics)
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- 6G-Health (2023-2025), jointly led by Vodafone Germany and ICCAS (Innovation Center Computer Assisted Surgery) at Uni Leipzig’s Faculty of Medicine
https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/ne...off-better-healthcare-with-6g-networking.html
“The 6G Health project complements the work of Fraunhofer HHI researchers in the BMBF-funded Research Hub 6G-RIC (…) They use the close collaboration in the 6G Health Consortium to coordinate requirements for the mobile communications standard and its future application in the medical field with clinical partners. This enables the experts to identify potential 6G applications at an early stage and lay the foundations for them in 6G standardization.”
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All this ties in nicely with Fraunhofer HHI’s job listing I had spotted in November, “looking for several student assistants to support research projects on neuromorphic signal processing in the area of (medical) sensory applications”, during which they would “support the implementation of algorithms on neuromorphic hardware such as SpiNNaker and Akida.”
So to wrap it all up from my point of view:
We do know from the demo video that Fraunhofer HHI researchers used an Akida Raspberry Pi as part of their PoC, which encouragingly won a “Best Demonstration Award” at the ICMLCN 2024 Conference in Stockholm.
The results of my deep dive suggest to me that this PoC has to do with trying to establish a connected network of robots controlled via 6G, presumably for future 6G-enabled applications in healthcare.
It is likely our company’s role in the development of this PoC was limited to being a seller of a disruptive commercial product, not aware of what it was going to be used for. And of course there is no guarantee that this PoC utilising Akida will ever be commercialised and that Fraunhofer HHI researchers won’t be making a decision to go with a competitor’s neuromorphic hardware for future applications.
Undoubtedly, though, Fraunhofer HHI is one of the entities researching (and evidently liking) Akida. Hopefully this will eventually lead to more, with all those industry partners onboard. But I am afraid I don’t see any immediate commercial engagements resulting in revenue here. Happy to be proven wrong though…
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Last week, a 6G-RIC (https://6g-ric.de) delegation exhibited - among other things - their proof-of-concept implementation of neuromorphic wireless cognition funded by Germany’s Federal Ministry of Education and Research (aka the Spot robot dog demo developed by Fraunhofer HHI researchers in Berlin) at the Brooklyn 6G Summit, hosted by Nokia and New York University.
Slawomir Stanczak, who is Professor for Network Information Theory at TU Berlin, Head of Fraunhofer HHI’s Wireless Communications and Networks Department as well as Coordinator of the 6G Research and Innovation Cluster (6G-RIC), also participated in a panel discussion with representatives from Nokia, NVIDIA, Rohde & Schwarz, MediaTek as well as InterDigital Communications on the topic of “Energy efficiency in AI/ML networks”:
cosors
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"...Rohde & Schwarz..."
I never thought I would 'say' that. Maybe Brainchip should be represented in some way at every military trade fair?
Even if they're just handing out business cards.
In the automotive sector here, one piece of horror news follows the next. The industry is on the brink of collapse and there is little room for complicated innovations when conventional and cheaper technology does the job. I think with automation it could be similar.
I think the military sector is very different at the time and any innovation is welcome?
And the big ones with their data centers solve their problems the old-fashioned way - simply more electricity and nuclear power plants.
Maybe I'm a bit naive.
rgupta
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Everyone have their own opinion. You are telling us as if you get a right answer in private. If the answer is same on public forum and private conversation then why not put some pressure on management and let them know the sentiments of suffering holders.I can understand shareholders are very frustrated and I'm not sure if these people frequent tsex, but can i just say, this does not help anyone.
If you need to voice your frustration, do it in a private message or via email, not on their posts on LinkedIn / social media.
Not a good look.
Imo.
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Frangipani
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Hi @JB49,
may I ask what you mean by differentiating between “Akida Spot” and “Old Spot”? Have you come across any evidence that there is a Boston Dynamics Spot robot dog model with integrated Akida technology on the market?
The Fraunhofer HHI neuromorphic wireless cognition demo was implemented on an AKD1000 chip, which was, however, not integrated into the robot dog itself. Instead, the researchers used a COTS Spot model connected to an external Akida Raspberry Pi Dev Kit, as evidenced by their paper and video.
It is a fact that their research as part of 6G-RIC (see my previous post and the one linked below) was neither funded by Boston Dynamics nor Hyundai, but by Germany’s Federal Ministry for Education and Research, no matter what other posters here and elsewhere have been speculating.
If you have any info on commercially available Spot robot dogs with Akida inside, I’d much appreciate if you could share it with us. I’m afraid the latest 4C equally suggests otherwise.
Regards,
Frangipani
https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-433491
Because you are trying to protect your investment, and commenting in that manner in public on the companies posts, achieves the opposite.
Imo
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Frangipani
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Hi @cosors,
while you’re right that Rohde & Schwarz do a lot of business with the military, that’s not all they do:
Rohde & Schwarz - Wikipedia
Unternehmensprofil
Der vor 85 Jahren gegründete unabhängige Technologiekonzern mit Hauptsitz in München entwickelt, produziert und vertreibt eine breite Palette modernster Kommunikations-, Informations- und Sicherheitstechnik für die Wirtschaft und den hoheitlichen Sektor.
www.rohde-schwarz.com
Company profile
Rohde & Schwarz was founded 85 years ago and is headquartered in Munich. The independent technology group develops, produces and markets a wide range of innovative communications, information and security products for industry and government customers.
www.rohde-schwarz.com
Test & Measurement Division
No industrial sector can do without electronics. Test and measurement solutions from Rohde & Schwarz are there every step of the way, from R&D to quality assurance, manufacturing and service. The portfolio includes all types of RF T&M equipment and systems as well as complementary products. The company’s focus is on the requirements of the mobile and wireless communications market, a market Rohde & Schwarz has been closely involved with for decades, on the requirements of the automotive industry, whose added value is increasingly based on vehicles‘ electronic features, and on the T&M requirements of the aerospace and defense industry. Manufacturers of entertainment electronics, power electronics, RF components, IT and network equipment as well as medical technology companies and other sectors also benefit from the wide range of products.
Wireless
Rohde & Schwarz has been writing the unprecedented success story of digital mobile communications since its beginnings in the early 1990s. Since then, the technology group has accompanied the introduction of new standards with a comprehensive portfolio of test and measurement solutions.As a world market and technology leader in RF and microwave testing, Rohde & Schwarz supports the entire product lifecycle of mobile communications devices from design to production. The range of supported technologies encompasses all cellular and non-cellular standards. And the technology group thinks ahead: while focused on the customers’ needs today, 6G is already on the company’s mind and in its labs. Rohde & Schwarz has been closely involved right from the start and actively supports the ongoing fundamental research activities at 6G organizations, universities and research institutes across Europe, North America and Asia. Together with its partners and customers, Rohde & Schwarz is actively adapting its test solutions to support this early research on 6G.
Industry, components & research
Test and measurement solutions from Rohde & Schwarz help component manufacturers, industrial electronics, research institutes and universities reduce time to market while gaining reliable insights into their design and scientific work along the entire value chain. Industrial electronics faces challenges in digital design, power electronics and EMC on a daily basis. 5G and mmWave solutions drive the current demand for advanced RF frontends. Future solutions such as 6G, terahertz applications and quantum technologies are being tested and prepared for real-world use cases. The company’s broad product spectrum covers all performance classes – from basic testers for training purposes to advanced test instruments for R&D labs, quality assurance and production facilities.The Zurich Instruments subsidiary enables Rohde & Schwarz to position itself as a leading supplier of T&M solutions in the quantum computing field.
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In the aerospace & defense industry, innovation and disruptive technologies are a key element of success. To ensure this, the highest requirements need to be met for design, verification and testing of all electronic systems. As a leading manufacturer of high-end test and measurement equipment, we fulfill the stringent requirements of the A&D sectors. Customers benefit from the company’s in-house expertise in military radiocommunications, air traffic control and signal intelligence. The extensive product range includes T&M solutions for generating and analyzing signals up into the mmWave range. The company supports R&D, manufacturing, quality assurance and service. Sustainable product strategies ensure that the products keep up with technological advances throughout the long lifecycles customary in these industries.WELCOME TO YET ANOTHER 4C FECKED UP SHIT SHOW
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CEO / DIRECTORS AND STAFF = DRINKING IN STYLE FROM GLASS BOTTLES WITH STYLISH GLASSES TO ENHANCE THE DELICATE AROMATIC FRAGRANT BOUQUET
SHAREHOLDERS = DRINKING WINE FROM CARDBOARD BOXES INCLUSIVE OF A SILVER PILLOW , WITH PAPER CUPS AND A PEG ON ONE’S NOSE TO STOP THE STENCH
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Frangipani
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Hi @Bravo,
since my original post got moderated, here is a new one.
Care to enlighten us why you were spreading rumours about me on Saturday when you posted this, falsely alleging that I were the single individual behind both the @BrainShit and the @Frangipani usernames, which is totally untrue?
For the record: I do not have any other user account besides this one with the handle @Frangipani.
You don’t appear to be happy that our fellow TSE member @BrainShit dared to fully agree with my personal point of view that Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic computing at scale into serial cars, so how about you share your thoughts on the numerous points I raised in a factual manner, just like I did when you asked me about the MB quote in Sally Word-Foxton’s September 2022 article the other day.
Thank you in advance!
since my original post got moderated, here is a new one.
Care to enlighten us why you were spreading rumours about me on Saturday when you posted this, falsely alleging that I were the single individual behind both the @BrainShit and the @Frangipani usernames, which is totally untrue?
For the record: I do not have any other user account besides this one with the handle @Frangipani.
You don’t appear to be happy that our fellow TSE member @BrainShit dared to fully agree with my personal point of view that Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic computing at scale into serial cars, so how about you share your thoughts on the numerous points I raised in a factual manner, just like I did when you asked me about the MB quote in Sally Word-Foxton’s September 2022 article the other day.
Thank you in advance!
MDhere
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Agree. On my trip back from uk to Australia i listened to a few a.i. podcasts ( will try and find them, wrote stuff down on my phone but having trouble readingmy writing atm lol) anyway in one of podcast a very successful company (will find which one) mentioned they didn't plan their business model for shareholders they planned it for success.I can understand shareholders are very frustrated and I'm not sure if these people frequent tsex, but can i just say, this does not help anyone.
If you need to voice your frustration, do it in a private message or via email, not on their posts on LinkedIn / social media
Not a good look.
Imo.
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Now if anyone understands this it means the company was setting it up to succeed and not focusing on what timeline a shareholder is on.
So my view is this, we are a small number of passionate shareholders but that's just it we are a small number, sure our timelines might be different but if a Company has the right team, the right product and there goal is to succeed and for their clients to also prosper its reasonable to consider that shareholders will prosper as well.
I think the Company that mentioned the above about not focusing on shareholder's but success was Anazon. But i will fimd the podcasts. Found them very interesting and it opened my ears a bit to what is the success and is it more important then fretting over shareholders right now? i came to the conclusion that success will equal shareholder satisfaction not the other way around.
BrainShit
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Hi Frangipani,
do you really think you'll get an answer? Bravo did a mistake and I think we should leave it by that. Bravo wrote me an clerification message two days ago... I think next time he/she will think twice before writing ....
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Bravo
If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Hi Frangipani,
It was a joke. Brainshit had accidentally posted your response to me twice, which is why I jokingly posted about there being no need to repeat himself. I deleted the post when I realised that this type of humour might be misinterpreted, which is what I explained in my message to Brainshit.
That’s really all there is to it.
Pom down under
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Expecting to see quite a few announcements over the coming month giving away the normal free shares as it has been very quite recently on this front. I wonder why 
Pom down under
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rgupta
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I donot want to compromise just because it is against my interests. End of the day it is either black or white.
Not just your interests. Every shareholders interests....
Of course you have the right to do as you please i guess....and on that note, i think i need a break from the internet for a while
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